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The Democratic Party has long been hijacked and I don't want to vote, but...

Anarchist420

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...I think it has been a lot better than the Republican Party and at least the Democrats were founded by someone, for all his faults, knew that the govt could be used for special interests and corruption for the wealthiest. The Democrats still very much have that philosophy today, but they have become victims of Hamiltonian corruption themselves.

Don't get me wrong... I want the govt I live under to be abolished immediately and forever as much as Dr. Paul does... all for the good of civilization. However, I have more so realized that there is going to have to be some pain and I recently applied the Alcoholics Anonymous doctrine to it in that the most I can do is educate people (and not change them, because they have to decide on their own)... I've done a terrible job at it, but I'm regaining some confidence and I'm going to continue to try to get people thinking as much as I possibly can. I need to be more forgiving of people like George Washington even if he really did nothing good as President... when he wasn't President he did some good because he even said what JFK wanted to mean (that is, when Washington told the entitlement loving mob, "you will NOT do it" it was like ask "not what your country can do for you"; Washington, however, meant it more than JFK), even if Washington just didn't know what was best for civilization like Rothbard did. That said, Washington made a good decision to self-identify as an independent even though I like Jefferson better because I like Jefferson's policies and thought better.

Perhaps I shouldn't criticize because I could wind up being even more of a spineless idiot than I already am some day, but I can't and won't physically harm anyone (I'm going to fullfil my own prophecies)... I'm actually often fine with giving people a reason to be very annoyed with me for bitching about the welfare state/gov jobs while taking it myself (if I think the costs will very much outweigh the benefits, then I'll be glad to take more than most do). However, I can't and won't be sterilized (I'll die having self-fulfilled that prophecy also) and I can't and won't be grateful to govts or even anyone who supports the welfare state (another prophecy that I will self-fulfill forever).

All of that said, I feel like maybe even Obama can be more reasonable and I think maybe he does deserve a second chance compared to Romney... consider that Obama really didn't initially campaign on being as pro-state as Bush did. Consider that Republicans have almost always been worse than Democrats when it comes to spending and that we are suffering from Hamilton's curse... Hamilton was a Federalist Partyman, Clay was a Whig, and Lincoln was the first Republican Party President, those three men were each philosophical brothers of each other and there have been no Republican Presidents that were even known to be neutral towards nullification (I should note that Hitler was a Lincolnite, and that Hitler was very much a spirit of Lincoln). Cleveland may have been ambivalent towards nullification and Van Buren also, would not have gone as far as the Republicans did in keeping the artificial union together... it's a shame that Wilson had to hijack the "Party of Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland" and then FDR had to permanently reinforce its hijacking towards Republican Party corruption and greed.

I do think he will go further into the war against Iran, but the majority of the subjects of the state of Israel don't want war. He would not cause a mass loss of life all on his own like Romney would and Romney would be even more fiscally liberal than Obama has been. I'd actually like to be Obama's treasury secretary more than I'd like to be Romney's because look at how the RNConvention of 2012 was totally scripted while the Democrats was not 100%... Romney has clearly made up his mind, Obama has not. Obama at least acknowledged that he wouldn't be able to get the deficit under control, but he did better than the Republicans would've done if left to their own devices... in fact, Obama built his own mistake because he should've said "if I increase the rate of public spending growth as much as Bush did, the I don't deserve to get re-elected". Obama is spineless because he has too many advisors that he didn't all ask for, while Romney must really like to surround himself with Bush era advisors (especially considering how bad his campaign has sucked). Obama is a very perceiving person and he is probably beginning to think that egalitarianism is a revolt against nature like many, many liberals are beginning to start thinking. The fact that the Republicans want govt to force inequality rather than to reduce the size of govt is what is going to kill them. The Federalists always wanted government imposed "social order" so it makes sense that their successor party has always been like that... which makes it a shame that the Austrian school of economics hadn't been thought of very much by then.

Try to discuss the above with me:)
 

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I'd suggest that you just write in Ron Paul and stop creating these rambling, nonsensical threads.
Id suggest you dont.

Dr. Paul is my choice too, but gary johnson is the actual libertarian party guy so vote for him instead. Also, a vote for a libertarian is a vote for the messiah..............think about that. They have set it up so that no matter who you vote for they win. If Romney gets in hes just another puppet, if hussein messiah gets in its another terrorist puppet, if you vote libertarian it takes votes away from Romney and give Obama a higher percentage.
 
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Id suggest you dont.

Dr. Paul is my choice too, but gary johnson is the actual libertarian party guy so vote for him instead. Also, a vote for a libertarian is a vote for the messiah..............think about that. They have set it up so that no matter who you vote for they win. If Romney gets in hes just another puppet, if hussein messiah gets in its another terrorist puppet, if you vote libertarian it takes votes away from Romney and give Obama a higher percentage.
You're ignoring the fact that the OP has a long-standing man crush on Ron Paul and believes he can do no wrong. I don't care who he votes for - I just want him to stop blathering. His heart is plainly with Ron Paul, so he might as well follow his own instincts.

You sound like as much of a nut as the OP, so perhaps you are more competent than me to advise him . . .
 
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I almost never post in your threads because I came to the decision a long time ago that you were out to lunch, somewhere. But the constant abuse you take when you post makes me sad. I haven't paid enough attention to really understand where you are coming from or what you believe, I don't listen to Mormons and Pentecostals, etc, that ring my door bell either. I am a kind of bigot. When I come to the conclusion that a particular type is delusional, I pay them no further attention. I couldn't get through your post, it makes me crazy so, feeling stressed that you take abuse and I don't have much that would be fine tuned to your particular mental state, since I don't really know what it is, I can only suggest something like a walk in the park, getting in tune with nature. Sometimes when I go for a walk and the sun warms my skin I get this feeling of well being, that the world is right as rain, that the sun on my skin I feel just as Jesus did, that there is no such thing as time, but just the infinite perfect now, the knowledge that I am the son of god, that there is only infinite eternity and the animal joy of being warmed by the sun.
 

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I almost never post in your threads because I came to the decision a long time ago that you were out to lunch, somewhere. But the constant abuse you take when you post makes me sad. I haven't paid enough attention to really understand where you are coming from or what you believe, I don't listen to Mormons and Pentecostals, etc, that ring my door bell either. I am a kind of bigot. When I come to the conclusion that a particular type is delusional, I pay them no further attention. I couldn't get through your post, it makes me crazy so, feeling stressed that you take abuse and I don't have much that would be fine tuned to your particular mental state, since I don't really know what it is, I can only suggest something like a walk in the park, getting in tune with nature. Sometimes when I go for a walk and the sun warms my skin I get this feeling of well being, that the world is right as rain, that the sun on my skin I feel just as Jesus did, that there is no such thing as time, but just the infinite perfect now, the knowledge that I am the son of god, that there is only infinite eternity and the animal joy of being warmed by the sun.
He needs to turn off the computer and see life outside for a change.
 

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I almost never post in your threads because I came to the decision a long time ago that you were out to lunch, somewhere. But the constant abuse you take when you post makes me sad. I haven't paid enough attention to really understand where you are coming from or what you believe, I don't listen to Mormons and Pentecostals, etc, that ring my door bell either. I am a kind of bigot. When I come to the conclusion that a particular type is delusional, I pay them no further attention. I couldn't get through your post, it makes me crazy so, feeling stressed that you take abuse and I don't have much that would be fine tuned to your particular mental state, since I don't really know what it is, I can only suggest something like a walk in the park, getting in tune with nature. Sometimes when I go for a walk and the sun warms my skin I get this feeling of well being, that the world is right as rain, that the sun on my skin I feel just as Jesus did, that there is no such thing as time, but just the infinite perfect now, the knowledge that I am the son of god, that there is only infinite eternity and the animal joy of being warmed by the sun.
I bet what would probably work for the Op is to fill his bathtub with Fruit Loops brand cereal and milk....then get naked and climb in the bathtub.....that way he can be with others of his kind.....

Actually the OP is showing signs of missing his home planet....
 

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They have set it up so that no matter who you vote for they win. If Romney gets in hes just another puppet, if hussein messiah gets in its another terrorist puppet, if you vote libertarian it takes votes away from Romney and give Obama a higher percentage.
Sheese just go away....more conspiracy crapola!!
Why don`t you join Anarchist in that bathtub with the fruit loops......
 

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I want the govt I live under to be abolished immediately and forever as much as Dr. Paul does...
:rolleyes:

I honestly can't decide if you are just an epic failure at trolling, or really this delusional. How do you come to the idea that a congressman of what? 30 years? wants to abolish government?
 

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I honestly can't decide if you are just an epic failure at trolling, or really this delusional. How do you come to the idea that a congressman of what? 30 years? wants to abolish government?
Do me a favor and read Liberty Defined if you haven't. I mean, in it he (or his ghost writer) says that central planning does not work and advocates for "voluntary taxation". I'm sure he also believes that the people here who do not want govt should have the natural right to abolish it at least gradually over the people who want to keep it. I am sure he has learned even during his career, but he probably has realized (even if not really incredibly concious of it) that some of the things he advocated earlier in his career have not made as much sense. He just doesn't want to bad mouth the Federalists and their legislation because he seems (to me at least) understands where each one of them are coming from. He seems to not like to tell individuals or his supporters no, but he sure isn't afraid to tell the govt no nor he is afraid to tell society no when he realizes it will only give a few people short term pleasure.

Perhaps you can tell me why you think I am wrong even if you believe that I'm too dumb to understand (I could be). It would be much appreciated if you did tell me because I can't take everything at face value like I once did:) That said, I didn't understand him completely either at first (I just supported him because I didn't yet realize that modern liberalism required taking stuff by force and because he was the only honest dissenter on the Republican stage in 07) and I fell for the Constitutionalist stuff... however, no one at the Mises Institute can actually support the Constitution over the Articles of Confederation. You need to read Dr. Tom Woods' stuff too, he (and Dr. DiLorenzo) could very much pass for pure 100% voluntaryists. The enlightenment ideas were new in Jefferson's day, so that's why Dr. Rothbard seemed so radical... ironically, he was even principled than Dr. Paul is and he is probably one of the brightest men to ever exist. Maybe if voluntaryists could more easily enjoy the "dark side" we'd appear more rational to statists like yourself... however, there are reasons 100% voluntaryists are 100% against the state. I'm not going to change you (or anyone else for that matter) though and I know that I am not educating you either, but "Jiminy Christmas" as some would say...
 

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Id suggest you dont. Dr. Paul is my choice too, but gary johnson is the actual libertarian party guy so vote for him instead. Also, a vote for a libertarian is a vote for the messiah..............think about that. They have set it up so that no matter who you vote for they win. If Romney gets in hes just another puppet, if hussein messiah gets in its another terrorist puppet, if you vote libertarian it takes votes away from Romney and give Obama a higher percentage.
Thank you:) I don't trust Johnson enough and at this point, he needs too much education. If I vote, then it will be a write-in for Dr. Paul. If I could know that I risked eternal damnation if I didn't choose between Romney and Obama, then I'd choose Obama, but that's not going to happen. You're right about Obama and Romney being puppets, but Obama isn't quite as much of a puppet and Wall Street/TPTB may defeat him at the last minute for that... Wall Street pulled back support because they're probably worried Obama would be less anti-market than Romney would be and rightfully so. I don't know how disproportionately more Romney is supported by Wall Street, but if it is too disproportionate, then he'll win as Robert A Taft kind of made a prophecy and was rightfully pissed about it when the quasi-puppet Eisenhower won... although I admit that Ike was not as easily controlled by Wall Street as Obamney is and I think the former may have thought more independently than most Presidents since himself inclusive. After all, Occupy Wall Street was probably less statist than Bachmann-hijacked Tea Party. All the Neo-TP is... is something used to further the statist interests of the Kocktopus... Dr. Paul doesn't get super high marks from Club for Growth because he realizes that moving to corporatism from socialism is stupid and can't unleash the forces that only a free market can. the Democrats that were booted out in 2010 were much less statist than most of these tea party retards... some libertarians are still trying to infiltrate the Democratic Party even though it's not going to work.
This is so silly i can't stop laughing __________________
Neither could I:)
 
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UberNeuman

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Thank you:) I don't trust Johnson enough and at this point, he needs to much education. If I vote, then it will be for Dr. Paul. If I could know that I risked eternal damnation if I didn't choose between Romney and Obama, then I'd choose Obama, but that's not going to happen. You're right about Obama and Romney being puppets, but Obama isn't quite as much of a puppet and Wall Street/TPTB may defeat him at the last minute for that. I don't know how disproportionately more Romney is supported by Wall Street, but if it is too disproportionate, then he'll win as Robert A Taft kind of made a prophecy and was rightfully pissed about it when the quasi-puppet Eisenhower won... although I admit that Ike was not as easily controlled by Wall Street as Obamney is and I think the former may have thought more independently than most Presidents since himself inclusive.
Thank you:) Neither could I:)
 

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the democrat party has become the path of least resistance for national socialists and marxist Leninist along with the eco-KOOKS.

What has happened to JFK's conservative Democratic Party??

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" JFK 1961 Inaugural Address

"...the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God." JFK 1961 Inaugural Address
 

UberNeuman

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What has happened to JFK's conservative Democratic Party??

They became those "Reagan Democrats" that slowly have taken your party from you - leaving you with little wedge issues to divide the country....

\have a nice day...
 
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We need a 3rd party, and the other two parties are SO BAD that I don't care what the 3rd party happens to be. Bush got us into this mess, Obama dug us deeper. Its not really a good situation.
 

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They became those "Reagan Democrats" that slowly have taken your party from you - leaving you with little wedge issues to divide the country....

\have a nice day...
Please don't pick up the monkey shit that he flings into P&N every couple of days and inspect it :) People stopped replying to this idiot years ago.
 

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the democrat party has become the path of least resistance for national socialists and marxist Leninist along with the eco-KOOKS. What has happened to JFK's conservative Democratic Party?? "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" JFK 1961 Inaugural Address "...the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God." JFK 1961 Inaugural Address
JFK wasn't necessarily a conservative, nor was his party conservative. Jefferson was more than any of the other Founders the "classical liberal statesman of the Old Republic", Jackson was the first President who was really modernly liberal (although he removed the Native Americans and very strongly wanted the expansion of popular sovereignty he very much had some Jeffersonian ideas in him), and then Wilson himself was always a liberal but he changed from a classical one to a modern one... since Wilsonianism started destroying the world, "classical liberalism" has very much been more "classical" than "liberal". Modern day conservatism is quite in line with Hamilton's support of forced inequality... Hamilton wasn't exactly a paleocon either, but he was very much the traditionalist of his day. He's an example of someone who is kind of where both of today's conservative schools of thought came from... however, both neocons and paleocons like to invoke Jefferson just as today's liberals do, but on foreign policy I want to think the paleocons are the Jeffersonians. That damn "Empire of Liberty" shit sounds like something right out of Wilson's mind... I don't want to believe Jefferson built anywhere close to even half of it. The Democratic Party is very much so a big tent, with ideas from Jefferson, Jackson, and Wilson, but it's not right to call it the party of Cleveland and Van Buren, even though the latter definitely organized it. I think of Cleveland as the "Last Good Democrat", even if he wasn't even my favorite President... John Tyler has seemed the most libertarian (in other words, the best) to me, but even he wasn't perfect because he raised taxes and I believe he got rid of Van Buren's Independent Treasury System... very little, if any long term damage at all can be linked to Tyler however, maybe because he was much more uncompromising than President Jefferson was as the former gave several really fucking good kicks in the balls to his own party and then got thrown out of it.
 

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Ever herd a phrase called "Consent of the governed"? He doesn't believe in anarchy, but a system that doesn't oppress the individual, but still affords the protections that government should.
Yes I have and there are varying degrees of it, but does the Constitution really allow for it more than it is trying to prevent it now? I mean, I don't think even half of those who are governed believe that we're consciously consenting and the author of the Declaration also said slim majorities bothered him. We're pretty much forced to consent as of now. What is your solution? Please let me know... I'm just wondering:)
I think we need something that can't prohibit nullification.
 

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