The deaths just continue...

tommywishbone

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These young men just keep dying. Our leaders don't seem to care. Thousands of lives gone... for nothing. Madness.

U.S. Sees Deadliest Month of Year in Iraq By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago, April 28,2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq - An American soldier was killed in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said Friday, as April became the deadliest month for U.S. forces in Iraq this year.

Elsewhere, American troops killed a local al-Qaida in Iraq leader and two other insurgents in a raid north of Baghdad, The death toll in two days of fighting around Baqouba climbed to 58, including seven Iraqi soldiers, Maj. Gen. Ahmed al-Awad said.

The U.S. soldier died about 7:15 p.m. Thursday when his vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb north of Baghdad, the military said. That brought the American death toll for the month to at least 67, according to an Associated Press count.

April's death toll is the highest monthly figure so far this year. Last month, 31 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq, the lowest monthly toll since February 2004. At least 2,397 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to the AP count.

Just outside Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, U.S. forces raided a house where Hamid al-Takhi, the local al-Qaida in Iraq leader, and the two other insurgents were hiding, the military said in a statement.

Al-Takhi, known as the "emir" of Samarra, was gunned down while fleeing the house, and the other two militants were killed while trying to defend it with grenades, the U.S. military said. After they were killed, the U.S. troops found a car parked nearby containing a grenade launcher, rockets, AK-47s, grenades and a shotgun, the U.S. military said.

Iraqi police said al-Takhi had been responsible for many insurgent attacks against coalition forces and civilians in the area.

The police initially said Iraqi commandos had carried out the raid but the U.S. later said American troops had conducted the operation using Iraqi intelligence.

In Baqouba, Iraqi police were fighting insurgents in the streets Friday, and witnesses saw at least two wounded police officers being carried to police vehicles for evacuation. Iraqi soldiers also patrolled the city, which was closed to pedestrians and traffic by a curfew.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq ? the country's most feared insurgent group ? appeared in a video earlier this week trying to rally Sunni Arabs to fight Iraq's new government and denouncing Sunnis who cooperate with it as "agents" of the Americans.

Also Friday, two mortars or rockets were fired at downtown Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone, where Iraq's government meets and the U.S. Embassy is located. One landed inside the zone but failed to detonate, while the other exploded nearby on the other side of the Tigris River, the U.S. military said. No casualties were immediately reported.

On Friday, the weekly day of worship in mostly Muslim Iraq, a roadside bomb targeting an Iraqi police patrol exploded in southwestern Baghdad at 8:20 a.m., killing one policeman and wounding two, said police Capt. Jamil Hussein.

Around the same time, police found the corpses of two middle-aged Iraqi men in a mostly Sunni Arab neighborhood of western Baghdad, Hussein said. The men, handcuffed, blindfolded and bullet-ridden, appeared to be the latest victims of a wave of kidnappings and killings by Sunni and Shiite death squads that target civilians.

New information also emerged about an unusual series of coordinated attacks Thursday by insurgents in and around Baqouba.

Using mortar rounds, rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire, the insurgents attacked five police checkpoints, a police station and an Iraqi army headquarters, Iraqi and U.S. officials said.

Clashes and raids continued through the night, officials said. In addition to the seven Iraqi soldiers, Ahmed said 49 insurgents were killed and 74 others were arrested. U.S. officials said two civilians were killed and the wounded included 10 Iraqi soldiers, four policemen and four civilians.

The violence erupted as the incoming prime minister won the backing of Iraq's top Shiite cleric for his plan to disband militias, which the U.S. believes is the key to calming sectarian strife and halting the country's slide toward civil war.

The endorsement of Prime Minister-designate Nouri al-Maliki's plan came during a meeting Thursday in Najaf with Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. The ayatollah told al-Maliki, a Shiite tapped last weekend to form a new government, that security should be his top priority.

"Therefore, weapons must be exclusively in the hands of government forces, and these forces must be built on a proper national basis so that their loyalty is to the country alone, not to political or other sides," a statement from al-Sistani's office said.

Al-Maliki plans to integrate militias, many of them linked to Shiite parties, into the army and police. To ensure their loyalty to the government, he wants to appoint defense and interior ministers without connections to militias.

Former militiamen who have joined government forces, especially those run by the Shiite-led Interior Ministry, have been widely accused by Sunni Arabs of operating as death squads targeting Sunni civilians.

Attempts by previous Iraqi governments to abolish militias have failed, and their numbers have grown, in part because U.S. and Iraqi forces have been unable to guarantee public safety.

Al-Maliki has until late May to present his Cabinet to parliament, the final step in building a national unity government. The United States believes a government of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds will help calm sectarian passions and tamp down the Sunni-led insurgency so the 130,000 American troops can begin to go home.

In other developments Friday, Iraqi forces perched on rooftops in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, exchanged sporadic fire with insurgents in a residential district where guerillas have been active. One Iraqi soldier was killed, the troops said.

 
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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
War is hell and securing America's interest isn't easy nor free.

America's interests? Forcing democracy down the throats of unwilling nations? Or are we 'freeing' the people? Or are we recovering WMD's, oh wait, none to be found.
Why not be in Darfur where there is real genocide taking place? Oh I know, not a real good base from cheneyburton to work from, and I'm guessing not nearly the amount of oil that Iraq has.
America's interests. Pffft. I think America's interests are trying to stay solvent in an energy crisis, as well as trying to make do with health care costs rising, educational costs skyrocketing and don't forget the immigrants.
I still can't believe there are people that still swallow this tripe. I almost feel sorry for them.
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
War is hell and securing America's interest isn't easy nor free.

Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker that either 1) doesn't care or 2) love the fact that soldiers are dying just as long as the CIC has an R by his name.
 

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What you libs don't realize (or do but won't admit it) is that America having a strong presence in the middle east will help retain American interests in that region for the indefinite future. Not only will it help contain terrorism more effectively, we'll also be able to curb China's growing influence. As for being a kool-aid drinker, I prefer soda ;)
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What you libs don't realize (or do but won't admit it) is that America having a strong presence in the middle east will help retain American interests in that region for the indefinite future. Not only will it help contain terrorism more effectively, we'll also be able to curb China's growing influence. As for being a kool-aid drinker, I prefer soda ;)

Spoken like a true imperialist. :thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What you libs don't realize (or do but won't admit it) is that America having a strong presence in the middle east will help retain American interests in that region for the indefinite future. Not only will it help contain terrorism more effectively, we'll also be able to curb China's growing influence. As for being a kool-aid drinker, I prefer soda ;)

I'd like some historical data to prove your point. Iran Contra? Support of the Taliban in the 80s? Support of Saddam in the 80s? Please google the term "blowback" and get back to us.
 

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What you libs don't realize (or do but won't admit it) is that America having a strong presence in the middle east will help retain American interests in that region for the indefinite future. Not only will it help contain terrorism more effectively, we'll also be able to curb China's growing influence. As for being a kool-aid drinker, I prefer soda ;)

Spoken like a true imperialist. :thumbsup:


We don't live in a fairytale, this is the harsh reality of a world with limited resources. Although libs tend to be the first in line to benefit from America's wealth - I see lib soccer moms driving around in SUVs with "save the earth" bumper stickers all too often here in Davis, its quite comical.
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
We don't live in a fairytale, this is the harsh reality of a world with limited resources. Although libs tend to be the first in line to benefit from America's wealth - I see lib soccer moms driving around in SUVs with "save the earth" bumper stickers all too often here in Davis, its quite comical.

Ya, lots of tree huggers drive SUVs... Hard to see your example in real life when the number of "support the troops" SUVs outnumber your fictional example 10,000:1. If you hate "libs" so much you might want to move out of one of the most liberal UCs and head out to Iowa or Utah. I hear those places are nice and you can bash "libs" all you want with the wife beating bible thumping red state drunks.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
We don't live in a fairytale, this is the harsh reality of a world with limited resources. Although libs tend to be the first in line to benefit from America's wealth - I see lib soccer moms driving around in SUVs with "save the earth" bumper stickers all too often here in Davis, its quite comical.

Ya, lots of tree huggers drive SUVs... Hard to see your example in real life when the number of "support the troops" SUVs outnumber your fictional example 10,000:1. If you hate "libs" so much you might want to move out of one of the most liberal UCs and head out to Iowa or Utah. I hear those places are nice and you can bash "libs" all you want with the wife beating bible thumping red state drunks.


I don't go to UCD, my wife does. I'm just stuck living here with her until she graduates next quarter. Since this is a lib town, most of the SUVs I see are lib soccer moms with earth day stickers. BTW what makes you think I'm Republican? There's issues I disagree with on both sides - if anything I'm part of the moderate majority that both right-wing and left-wing zealots tend to forget about.
 

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U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they?

More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they?

More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
Well if it's Iraqi's killing each other rather than American troops then I guess it's ok. Now if we can just figure out how to make them pay for this war instead of the American taxpayer all would be good :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
We don't live in a fairytale, this is the harsh reality of a world with limited resources. Although libs tend to be the first in line to benefit from America's wealth - I see lib soccer moms driving around in SUVs with "save the earth" bumper stickers all too often here in Davis, its quite comical.

Ya, lots of tree huggers drive SUVs... Hard to see your example in real life when the number of "support the troops" SUVs outnumber your fictional example 10,000:1. If you hate "libs" so much you might want to move out of one of the most liberal UCs and head out to Iowa or Utah. I hear those places are nice and you can bash "libs" all you want with the wife beating bible thumping red state drunks.


I don't go to UCD, my wife does. I'm just stuck living here with her until she graduates next quarter. Since this is a lib town, most of the SUVs I see are lib soccer moms with earth day stickers. BTW what makes you think I'm Republican? There's issues I disagree with on both sides - if anything I'm part of the moderate majority that both right-wing and left-wing zealots tend to forget about.


The true "majority" are the over 60% (and rising) of the people that think the war WASN'T worth going to in the first place.

I agree with Dissipate...spoken like a true imperialist (neoconistic at that).
 

Red Dawn

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At least when we had Sadam on our payroll it was only Iraqi's and Iranians dying.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Ya, lots of tree huggers drive SUVs... Hard to see your example in real life when the number of "support the troops" SUVs outnumber your fictional example 10,000:1. If you hate "libs" so much you might want to move out of one of the most liberal UCs and head out to Iowa or Utah. I hear those places are nice and you can bash "libs" all you want with the wife beating bible thumping red state drunks.
Hey, watch the Iowa slurs. Iowans tend to be fairly moderate and well-educated. Bush barely squeaked out a victory here in 2004; he lost in 2000. You're confusing us with states like Kansas and Alabama. :)
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they? ...
They're way, way up from 2002. What's your point?


More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they? ...
They're way, way up from 2002. What's your point?


More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.
LOL, what about the Iraqi's disregard for each others lives?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What you libs don't realize (or do but won't admit it) is that America having a strong presence in the middle east will help retain American interests in that region for the indefinite future. Not only will it help contain terrorism more effectively, we'll also be able to curb China's growing influence. As for being a kool-aid drinker, I prefer soda ;)
Wanting to "retain American interests in that region" does not even begin to justify the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. Should we infer you also believe Hitler's invasions were justified because he was just trying to retain Germany's interests in Europe? It is an outrageous rationalization, completely contrary to everything America used to stand for.

As far as terrorism, it is delusional to claim invading Iraq will do anything to reduce terrorism. Compared to other countries in the region (e.g. Saudi Arabia). Iraq's role in terrorism was trivial. It only fans the flames of hatred against the U.S. (the "infidels" who unilaterally invaded and occupied an Islamic country, unleasing such atrocities as Abu Ghraib and the napalming of children in Fallajuh -- in their view). George W. Bush is the best recruiting tool al Qaeda ever had.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they? ...
They're way, way up from 2002. What's your point?


More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.
LOL, what about the Iraqi's disregard for each others lives?
Equally repugnant. Two wrongs don't make a right, Red.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S deaths overall are down compared to last year, aren't they? ...
They're way, way up from 2002. What's your point?


More Iraq troops are being targeted over U.S troops. They look the same as U.S troops. Iraqi troops drive Humvees and wear U.S military gear.

The insurgents mistake them for U.S troops.
You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.
LOL, what about the Iraqi's disregard for each others lives?
Equally repugnant. Two wrongs don't make a right, Red.
No it doesn't but if they are determined to rub each other out why do we have to put our guys in harm's way to prevent them from doing it? Hell we should have just left Sadam in charge and bought him off, they'd still be dying but American Soldiers wouldn't.

I know it callous but I don't care for the Iraqi's at all just like they don't care for us.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
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You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.
LOL, what about the Iraqi's disregard for each others lives?
Equally repugnant. Two wrongs don't make a right, Red.
No it doesn't but if they are determined to rub each other out why do we have to put our guys in harm's way to prevent them from doing it? Hell we should have just left Sadam in charge and bought him off, they'd still be dying but American Soldiers wouldn't.
Agreed. As much as I hate innocent deaths, I abhor having the blood of innocents on our hands. We can't run the world, but we should be able to lead by moral example.


I know it callous but I don't care for the Iraqi's at all just like they don't care for us.
It is callous. It's an area where you and I disagree. I'm delighted to reduce American deaths in Iraq, but I'd be ecstatic if there were fewer people dying.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
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You do understand Iraqis are human beings too, don't you? Innocent human beings who've done not a damn thing to hurt us? Innocent human beings who were just trying to raise families and go to work and generally lead normal lives until the cowboy from Crawford decided to drum up phony reasons for slaughtering them? Your callous disregard for the value of Iraqi lives is repugnant and likely racist.
LOL, what about the Iraqi's disregard for each others lives?
Equally repugnant. Two wrongs don't make a right, Red.
No it doesn't but if they are determined to rub each other out why do we have to put our guys in harm's way to prevent them from doing it? Hell we should have just left Sadam in charge and bought him off, they'd still be dying but American Soldiers wouldn't.
Agreed. As much as I hate innocent deaths, I abhor having the blood of innocents on our hands. We can't run the world, but we should be able to lead by moral example.


I know it callous but I don't care for the Iraqi's at all just like they don't care for us.
It is callous. It's an area where you and I disagree. I'm delighted to reduce American deaths in Iraq, but I'd be ecstatic if there were fewer people dying.
That'd be nice but considering how the Iraqi's are I believe it to be unrealistic.