The DEA wants access to your medical records without consent or a warrant

Oldgamer

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Just further overzealous, over reaching by this establishment. They have gone so bonkers on the "war of drugs" and the whole "prescription pill abuse" crap that they are now doing this.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/29/the-dea-wants-to-access-your-medical-rec

The DEA Wants to Access Your Medical Records Without Consent or a Warrant
Mike Riggs|Jan. 29, 2013 12:22 pm

Back in 2011, the Office of National Drug Control Policy released a list of strategies for combating prescription pill abuse. From a civil liberties standpoint, one strategy in particular stood out: "Identify and seek to remove administrative and regulatory barriers to 'pill mill' and prescriber investigations that impair investigations while not serving another policy goal." Last year I wondered what the DEA and the ONDCP might do to "remove" barriers that are meant to protect patient privacy. The ACLU has an answer for us:

The Drug Enforcement Administration is trying to access private prescription records of patients in Oregon without a warrant, despite a state law forbidding it from doing so. The ACLU and its Oregon affiliate are challenging this practice in a new case that raises the question of whether the Fourth Amendment allows federal law enforcement agents to obtain confidential prescription records without a judge’s prior approval. It should not.

In 2009, the Oregon legislature created the Oregon Prescription Drug Monitoring Program (PDMP), which tracks prescriptions for certain drugs dispensed by Oregon pharmacies, including all of the medications listed above.

The program was intended to help physicians prevent drug overdoses by their patients and more easily recognize signs of drug abuse. Because the medical information revealed by these prescription records is highly sensitive, the legislature created robust privacy and security protections for the PDMP, including a requirement that law enforcement must obtain a warrant before requesting records for use in an investigation. But despite those protections, the DEA has been requesting prescription records from the PDMP using administrative subpoenas which, unlike warrants, do not involve demonstrating probable cause to a neutral judge.

The State of Oregon sued the DEA in federal court to defend its right to require law enforcement, including federal agencies, to obtain the warrants required by state law. Today, the ACLU filed a motion to intervene in the case on behalf of several patients and a doctor whose prescription records are contained in the PDMP. Our clients are concerned that the privacy of their medical information will be violated if the DEA is allowed to search through prescription records without a warrant. If the DEA can demonstrate to a judge that it has probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that prescription records will provide evidence of that crime, then it can legitimately obtain records from the PDMP. Because prescription records and the medical information they reveal are such a sensitive matter, protecting their privacy is vital, and we argue that obtaining private and confidential prescription records without a warrant constitutes an unreasonable search in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Florida isn't waiting around for the DEA. A Central Florida taskforce has already taken patient records without a warrant, and cops in Southwest Florida are trying to trick patients into signing away their privacy.
 

waggy

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it's only a matter of time. they will pass it under "keeping druggies clean" or someshit.
 

Genx87

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it's only a matter of time. they will pass it under "keeping druggies clean" or someshit.

My guess is terrorism. But if the govt can assasinate you without due process. What does it matter if they can look at your medical records?
 

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Here is the thing that really ticks me off about what the DEA has been doing across this country in the effort they say to control "pill mills" and doctors who they think are over prescribing; I had a friend of mine that lives in Florida who had to have major low back surgery. He ended up with some complications and he was in a great deal of pain. When he was discharged they gave him a prescription of pain medication and it was something like 60 pills. When he went to his CVS pharmacy they refused to fill it. His family went running around all over town trying to find a legitimate pharmacy to fill it and no one would. He was told "we are out, we don't have any", or "we just don't fill it anymore". He was left in agonizing pain for close to 3 weeks before he finally had the doctor call his local pharmacy and make a case for him to get it filled. He eventually had to have another surgery not long after that as the screw in one of the plates came out in his back.

So the DEA has been shutting down places like CVS and Walgreens and taking records and intimidating these pharmacies and doctors to the point they just won't fill any pain medication. Better to avoid it than go through a costly legal battle in court.

I mean where do we draw the line? The DEA is not your doctor, nor is the pharmacy, and the pharmacies are not the "pill police".
 

Genx87

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Here is the thing that really ticks me off about what the DEA has been doing across this country in the effort they say to control "pill mills" and doctors who they think are over prescribing; I had a friend of mine that lives in Florida who had to have major low back surgery. He ended up with some complications and he was in a great deal of pain. When he was discharged they gave him a prescription of pain medication and it was something like 60 pills. When he went to his CVS pharmacy they refused to fill it. His family went running around all over town trying to find a legitimate pharmacy to fill it and no one would. He was told "we are out, we don't have any", or "we just don't fill it anymore". He was left in agonizing pain for close to 3 weeks before he finally had the doctor call his local pharmacy and make a case for him to get it filled. He eventually had to have another surgery not long after that as the screw in one of the plates came out in his back.

So the DEA has been shutting down places like CVS and Walgreens and taking records and intimidating these pharmacies and doctors to the point they just won't fill any pain medication. Better to avoid it than go through a costly legal battle in court.

I mean where do we draw the line? The DEA is not your doctor, nor is the pharmacy, and the pharmacies are not the "pill police".


We draw the line with dropping our ridiculous drug war. If people want to pop pills so be it. Why trample the rights of people to not be in pain because the govt wants to stop a junkie from getting his fix?
 

zanejohnson

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man they are literally hitting us from all directions right now... guns, drugs, immigrants, "lone gunmen." this is how you keep the fake money paper trail going...

america, land of the free..
 

Oldgamer

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man they are literally hitting us from all directions right now... guns, drugs, immigrants, abortions, birth control, "lone gunmen." this is how you keep the fake money paper trail going...

america, land of the free..


Fixed that for ya...
 

zanejohnson

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Fixed that for ya...

your right...

it's really getting to much to ignore recently, i'm starting to see some light to some of these bilderberg/nwo conspiracy theories...

WHO is behind this push recently?? it's definitely, ULTRA RIGHT conservatism.. at least that's the moves that are being made??? but the people who identify as righties even, aren't even for most of the stuff we see coming out??
 

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To more efficiently antagonize medical marijuana users and suppliers no doubt.
 

waggy

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Here is the thing that really ticks me off about what the DEA has been doing across this country in the effort they say to control "pill mills" and doctors who they think are over prescribing; I had a friend of mine that lives in Florida who had to have major low back surgery. He ended up with some complications and he was in a great deal of pain. When he was discharged they gave him a prescription of pain medication and it was something like 60 pills. When he went to his CVS pharmacy they refused to fill it. His family went running around all over town trying to find a legitimate pharmacy to fill it and no one would. He was told "we are out, we don't have any", or "we just don't fill it anymore". He was left in agonizing pain for close to 3 weeks before he finally had the doctor call his local pharmacy and make a case for him to get it filled. He eventually had to have another surgery not long after that as the screw in one of the plates came out in his back.

So the DEA has been shutting down places like CVS and Walgreens and taking records and intimidating these pharmacies and doctors to the point they just won't fill any pain medication. Better to avoid it than go through a costly legal battle in court.

I mean where do we draw the line? The DEA is not your doctor, nor is the pharmacy, and the pharmacies are not the "pill police".



yeap.

The DEA also tried to pass a law last year or the year before. where you are limited in buying a limited amount in a month. it came out to something like 2.5 a day. Also they would change the amount of the actual pain reliever in the pill to half.

in reality it would have made them worthless.

Florida is the worste state for people with Chronic pain. i have read many stories like what your friend says. It's rather common. IF you need pain meds you just can't get them. the DEA also has managed to manipulate the manfacture into creating a false Shortage on the pills.


bad part is its spreading to other states. IF you have Chronic pain and need these pills you are thought of as a junky.
 

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This fits perfectly in line with what Nanny Doomberg is doing in NYC by restricting what pills emergency rooms can dispense.

New York City to Restrict Prescription Painkillers in Public Hospitals’ Emergency Rooms

Under the new city policy, most public hospital patients will no longer be able to get more than three days’ worth of narcotic painkillers like Vicodin and Percocet. Long-acting painkillers, including OxyContin, a familiar remedy for chronic backache and arthritis, as well as Fentanyl patches and methadone, will not be dispensed at all. And lost, stolen or destroyed prescriptions will not be refilled.


'The city hospitals we control, so ...we're going to do it and we're urging all of the other hospitals to do it, ' he said, according to Politicker.com.

'Somebody said... "Oh then maybe there won't be enough painkillers for the poor who use the emergency rooms as their primary care doctor."

'Number one, there's no evidence of that. Number two, supposing it is really true, so you didn't get enough painkillers and you did have to suffer a little bit.
 

waggy

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yeah. they would rather people "suffer"

fucking asswipes. I would love for him to spend a month as someone with chronic pain. really spend time to understand what people go through.
 

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Only a matter of time until the Antichrist comes onto the scene; Death to all who does not bear the mark of the beast.

I would rather die.
 
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This highly un-Constitutional and a massive invasion of privacy. The DEA has no right to this information and most likely will use it for the medical marijuana people. Hopefully they get struck down by the courts over this
 

Darwin333

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The Drug Enforcement Administration is trying to access private prescription records of patients in Oregon without a warrant, despite a state law forbidding it from doing so.

Wait, there is no Federal law protecting medical records? It is up to individual state laws to protect my medical records from bullshit like this?
 

Darwin333

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Here is the thing that really ticks me off about what the DEA has been doing across this country in the effort they say to control "pill mills" and doctors who they think are over prescribing; I had a friend of mine that lives in Florida who had to have major low back surgery. He ended up with some complications and he was in a great deal of pain. When he was discharged they gave him a prescription of pain medication and it was something like 60 pills. When he went to his CVS pharmacy they refused to fill it. His family went running around all over town trying to find a legitimate pharmacy to fill it and no one would. He was told "we are out, we don't have any", or "we just don't fill it anymore". He was left in agonizing pain for close to 3 weeks before he finally had the doctor call his local pharmacy and make a case for him to get it filled. He eventually had to have another surgery not long after that as the screw in one of the plates came out in his back.

So the DEA has been shutting down places like CVS and Walgreens and taking records and intimidating these pharmacies and doctors to the point they just won't fill any pain medication. Better to avoid it than go through a costly legal battle in court.

I mean where do we draw the line? The DEA is not your doctor, nor is the pharmacy, and the pharmacies are not the "pill police".

Even better, due largely to the .gov, the manufacturers of the pills most of the junkies get their fix from have changed their formulation so that it can't be abused by the junkies. Right now from what I understand the junkies can still get one type of pill for their fix but that one has changed too so they just have the pills left in circulation.

Great news right, the junkies won't be able to get their fix? Yeah.... Who honestly believes that the junkies are going to just clean up after years of abuse when there is a cheap and readily available substitute available on the streets? So what we have done is taken junkies that were hooked on pharmaceuticals and all the benefits that come along with their drug being manufactured by pharmaceutical companies (dosage, quality control, etc..) and pushed them to heroin which has none of those things.

Who here is happy that instead of having junkie pill poppers we will have heroin junkies? I have already seen several statements from Sheriffs expecting heroin overdoses to rise dramatically in the near future. So now we get to pay their hospital bill because they can't easily control their dosage anymore. woo hoo, hell of a job!!
 

Darwin333

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This fits perfectly in line with what Nanny Doomberg is doing in NYC by restricting what pills emergency rooms can dispense.

New York City to Restrict Prescription Painkillers in Public Hospitals’ Emergency Rooms





I would really really like to be surprised that our politicians couldn't give half a fuck if we suffer or not but sadly I am not. He is just one of the few assholes that says it out loud.

I guarandamntee you that his ass can and will get the proper pain meds if he was in enough pain to require them.
 

zanejohnson

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Even better, due largely to the .gov, the manufacturers of the pills most of the junkies get their fix from have changed their formulation so that it can't be abused by the junkies. Right now from what I understand the junkies can still get one type of pill for their fix but that one has changed too so they just have the pills left in circulation.

Great news right, the junkies won't be able to get their fix? Yeah.... Who honestly believes that the junkies are going to just clean up after years of abuse when there is a cheap and readily available substitute available on the streets? So what we have done is taken junkies that were hooked on pharmaceuticals and all the benefits that come along with their drug being manufactured by pharmaceutical companies (dosage, quality control, etc..) and pushed them to heroin which has none of those things.

Who here is happy that instead of having junkie pill poppers we will have heroin junkies? I have already seen several statements from Sheriffs expecting heroin overdoses to rise dramatically in the near future. So now we get to pay their hospital bill because they can't easily control their dosage anymore. woo hoo, hell of a job!!

exactamundo... not only that, but now the cartel gets SO MUCH MORE MONEY they would have lost to the big pharma companies... people dont realize how many people use opiates, and how many people will be switching to heroin as soon as they can't get hydromorph, morphine, oxycodone anymore...

what it is, is sheltered people, sheltered people who never get out and live life and see how the world really works... they've never seen heroin/opiate addiction, dont understand how an addicted mind works, and think they can prohibit this... it's been prohibited enough already and it doesn't work (or we wouldn't have the black market drug trade)

all this will do is make alot of drug movers very rich..
 
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Wait, there is no Federal law protecting medical records? It is up to individual state laws to protect my medical records from bullshit like this?

The government has so much power and these agencies will do what it takes to get your information. Its always some BS excuse they come up with like if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't have a problem with it. These agencies are really overstepping their bounds and should have to obey the Constitution

And you do realize that federal agents are able to write their own search warrants under the Patriot Act, this is just how intrusive the government has become
 

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A couple things. First there is no right to medical privacy in a criminal investigation. We practitioners and providers must comply or we will be sanctioned or worse. No warrant is needed. Perhaps it's true for state officials in OR, but in NY the government has all the power. Obey.

Second, the DEA is a Federal Agency and it does not answer to any state law. Oregon can do anything it likes, but they aren't any different than AZ and immigration law. They are out of luck.

But relax, it's for "the general welfare" so just go with it.