The Current State of Debt in America

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The Current State of Debt of America

27.3 million Americans have been victims of identity theft, which can lead to additional debt and credit problems, in the last five years. (Source FTC 9-3-2003)
The average undergraduate finsihes school with $18,900 in debt. This includes student loans and creadit card debt. (Source Nellie Mae 2-6-2003)
Total credit card balances from 1996 to 2000 increased an average of nearly 9% per year to a total of $633,000,000,000.
Americans today have over 1,000,000,000 credit cards.
USA Today reports that, of the 23 greatest fears identified by Americans today, #3 was inadequate Social Security, and #4 was not enough money for retirement.
American Express Financial Services reports that Social Security will account for only 27% of the average retiree's income.
A survey by the Consumer Bankers Association found that, within a year, 70% of the people who had shifted credit card balances to home equity, were again running up credit card debt.
Citibank's Platinum Select's rate can soar to prime plus 12.9% after a single late payment to Citibank or any other creditor.
Researchers at Sanford C. Bernstein, a securities firm, point out that household debt in the 1990's grew at a rate 2% a year faster than their income.
For the period ending June 30, 1996, personal bankruptcies in a 12-month period exceeded ONE MILLION for the first time ever.
In 1997, there were more than four million home equity loans, totaling $268 billion, nearly 50 percent higher than in 1992, just five years earlier.
Making the minimum payment on a $4,800 balance at the average interest rate of 17%, it would take you 39 years and 7 months to pay off. You would pay $10,818.63 in interest alone, and a total of $15,619 for the privilege of charging the $4,800.
On average, the typical credit card purchase is 112% higher than if paying cash.
Over 40% of U.S. families spend more than they earn.
The average household has 7 credit cards.
The average household has a total credit card balance of approximately $8,500.
Typical minimum monthly payment is 90% interest and 10% principal.
65% of all credit card accounts have only the minimum payments amounts being made by consumers.
Americans paid out approximately $65 billion in credit card interest last year alone.
The record number of bankruptcy filings was 1.44 million in 1998 until 1.49 million were filed in 2001.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Vic
Obviously the consumers'.

Nah... it is the government's fault.. they induce us to fuel the economy to keep our jobs and like good patriotic Americans we go out and spend. Now, if we go and pay down that debt and not spend and increase it we'll be in a recession and lose our jobs and Bush won't get reelected so actually, it is the republicans who are at fault via subliminal suggestion.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
Bush's fault.
Sigh... I guess I should have posted this in OT if I wanted a civilized and intelligent discussion? ;) :p
 

amok

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Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
The Credit Card issuers. They shouldn't give out so much credit. They should limit the amount of credit they issue to people to what can reasonably be paid off by them in a short period of time. They would still make plenty of money, and they wouldn't have so many defaults.
 

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It really sucks that our economy is consumer based, rather than being based on production.

If you look at graphs, consumption has risen steadily while production has not kept up...

What sucks is that people need to stop buying useless things and start paying off debt, but then what happens is that the people who own the stores that sell the useless things go out of business and have debt of their own, so they stop spending to pay off their debt, then other businesses suffer......

And then you're smack dab in the middle of a recession. But, in almost any case you could always just live with your parents til you're 30 ;)
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
The Credit Card issuers. They shouldn't give out so much credit. They should limit the amount of credit they issue to people to what can reasonably be paid off by them in a short period of time. They would still make plenty of money, and they wouldn't have so many defaults.
So what you're saying is that everytime you get a new credit card in your hand, you just rush right off and immediately max it out? The Ronco ads on TV just leave you spellbound and running to the phone, don't they? :p

You people kill me. Fault is irrelevant. Blame is for losers too busy fighting amongst themselves to ever amount to anything. What is important is that people realize that we have a problem, and that people be encouraged to show some maturity and thrift and learn to live within their means.
 

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Card offers leave some seeing red
Card offers leave some seeing red
By Anuradha Raghunathan
DALLAS MORNING NEWS

The credit-card offers keep getting more generous. Low introductory interest rates. No interest until 2004. No interest for the entire life of the loan.

"We want to engage the customer," said Ron Robine, chief credit officer at Bank One Corp., which is offering no interest on purchases and balance transfers for a year. "We want to be the primary credit card being used."

But at the same time that credit-card companies are making these offers, they are increasing their scrutiny of customers, watching their every move to see whether they remain worthy of such generosity.

"What will happen is that those people who violate the agreement go from zero percent to 16 percent, and they wind up subsidizing everyone else," said David Robertson, publisher of The Nilson Report, a consumer-payments newsletter.

Time was when a late payment or an overdraft on your line of credit could result in your paying a higher interest rate. But now -- with competition intensifying and personal bankruptcies soaring -- credit-card companies are unleashing a slew of policies aimed at reducing their risk of defaults.

Among them:

? Your rate could go up if you take advantage of another credit-card offer, or if you have a new mortgage or a new auto loan. The reason? Your risk profile has changed.

? Your credit-card company could jack up your rate if you are late with a payment -- even on another credit card or some other bill.

? Card companies are raising late fees and reducing grace periods.

Remember, when a credit-card company offers you a low interest rate, it's not the same as a bank loan agreement, in which the interest rates and other terms are spelled out. With a credit card, your interest rate can change at any time.

"This is why it's such a land mine for consumers," said Linda Sherry, a spokeswoman for Consumer Action, a consumer-advocacy group in San Francisco. "You have to tread very carefully, or it could blow up in your face."

While the card deals are pouring in, experts say there are many caveats. In the case of some low-interest offers, the minute you make a mistake, you get boosted to a much higher rate.

Take Discover card's recent offer of zero-percent interest for the life of the loan. The agreement on this card requires you to make two purchases each billing cycle. Your purchases can be for any amount. But after six months, if you miss a purchase in a billing cycle, your rate goes up.

The Nilson Report said that three out of four customers do something that violates the cardholder agreement and lose a favorable balance transfer rate.

"Companies are waiting for a certain percentage of customers to make a mistake so that they can make money," Robertson said.

After just one mistake, a customer may be able to talk a customer-service representative into restoring the teaser rate.

But the safer bet is to pay on time.

The first thing you ought to do when you check out a credit-card deal is to read the fine print.

For example, Bank One's cardholder agreement says it "can at any time change this agreement, including the annual percentage rate and any fees."

It will notify you of the change, but there's nothing much that you can do at that point, short of paying off the balance or trying to take your business elsewhere.

American Express' agreement states that your account is in default if it thinks that you have violated the card agreement. The decision to change your terms is based on American Express' "determination of your creditworthiness." It says it will periodically look at whether you are carrying too much debt compared with your resources. It will also look at other credit characteristics, regardless of your performance on the Amex account.

Experts say you have to read your agreement and be comfortable with the implications before you agree to a deal.

"The smaller the print, the more important the words," said Greg McBride, senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com, which tracks consumer interest rates.

Credit experts say your history with your credit-card company is no longer the biggest criterion for whether your card agreement is amended.

"The fine print says that even if you are current with your payment, the issuer reserves the right to adjust your interest rates if it believes that you are no longer as creditworthy as you were when they first gave that offer," Robertson said.

While card companies have always looked for ways to maximize profits, the race is even more pronounced in today's high-default economic environment. Credit issuers are watching you more closely than ever before -- pulling up your credit reports and FICO scores on a monthly basis, in some cases.

"Lenders are becoming more and more wary of the economy and of consumer credit habits," said John Ulzheimer, business development manager at Fair Isaac Corp., which developed the FICO credit score. "They want to be aware of changes in the consumer's credit history. Even three months is not frequent enough. Many of the companies are still doing this quarterly -- but the trend seems to be going monthly."

Card company executives say they have to be ultracautious in a down economy. The current bad-loan writeoff rate -- even for companies that cater to consumers with reasonably good credit -- is 5.4 percent, according to R.K. Hammer Investment Bankers, a Thousand Oaks-based company that monitors the card industry. Default rates stood at 5.1 percent last year.

R.K. Hammer projects that for every top-line dollar that a card company will earn in 2003, it will lose almost 30 cents in the bottom line because of chargeoffs.

So card issuers have stepped up their vigilance. Bank One, for instance, pulls up profiles on its 37 million customers every two months.

The problem is that consumers have no chance to intervene in the process. Say you respond to a direct-mail teaser rate of zero percent for a year. This act could change your status in the eyes of your existing credit-card issuer, which might decide that your risk profile has changed because you have taken on more debt. But you would have no clue about this change until you get your monthly statement.

Also, you do not have much recourse after a company decides to change your rate. In some cases, you may have the option to pay the balance in full under the prior rate.

In addition to these subtle changes to credit-card agreements, companies are also making some overt adjustments.

Bank One has stepped up late fees from $29 to $35. And recently American Express introduced a tiered fee structure under which consumers with higher balances pay higher late fees than those with lower balances.

Deals and their catches

Here's a sampling of some attractive credit card deals available -- and how easy it is to lose them.

Discover

Deal: No interest for the life of the loan.

Catch: After six months, you lose the rate if you do not make at least two monthly purchases as required by the agreement. Also, if you're late on one payment, Discover will apply the standard-purchase annual percentage rate -- currently 13.99 percent. If you're late twice, the APR goes to 19.99 percent.

Bank One

Deal: Zero percent for purchases and for balance transfers for the first 12 billing cycles after you open an account.

Catch: If you are late once during the first 12 bills, your APR will jump to 8.99 percent on purchases. If you are late twice in any six-month period, the rate goes to 19.99 percent.

American Express

Deal: 3.9 percent APR for balance transfers and for the life of a loan.

Catch: American Express periodically checks your credit history. If it deems that you are less creditworthy than when it first gave you the card, you could lose the rate.

Citibank

Deal: Zero percent APR on balance transfers for six months.

Catch: If you have a late payment on any card account with Citibank, your rate on all balances could go to 27.99 percent.

Sources: Lender Web sites and cardholder agreements
 

amok

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
The Credit Card issuers. They shouldn't give out so much credit. They should limit the amount of credit they issue to people to what can reasonably be paid off by them in a short period of time. They would still make plenty of money, and they wouldn't have so many defaults.
So what you're saying is that everytime you get a new credit card in your hand, you just rush right off and immediately max it out? The Ronco ads on TV just leave you spellbound and running to the phone, don't they? :p

You people kill me. Fault is irrelevant. Blame is for losers too busy fighting amongst themselves to ever amount to anything. What is important is that people realize that we have a problem, and that people be encouraged to show some maturity and thrift and learn to live within their means.
*Am not going to respond to personal attack...*

I'm not going to disagree with you that people should act wisely and learn to live within their means. In general, though, this isn't going to happen unless its forced upon them.

The reason I blame the credit issuers is simple, they are stupidly handing out their money. I'm approached for loans often. For every one that I give out, I deny four. The reason is simple, four out of five that approach me either ask for more than they could reasonably pay back, or they want it to start up some hair-brained idea that only has a 1:10 chance of succeeding. As a result, I haven't had one person default on me in three years.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: amok
*Am not going to respond to personal attack...*

I'm not going to disagree with you that people should act wisely and learn to live within their means. In general, though, this isn't going to happen unless its forced upon them.

The reason I blame the credit issuers is simple, they are stupidly handing out their money. I'm approached for loans often. For every one that I give out, I deny four. The reason is simple, four out of five that approach me either ask for more than they could reasonably pay back, or they want it to start up some hair-brained idea that only has a 1:10 chance of succeeding. As a result, I haven't had one person default on me in three years.
LOL :D
Take it easy now, the "personal attack" was meant in jest, hence the :p

I'm impressed by your rock-bottom default rate. It seems like you work in finance/banking of some type (sounds like community lending of some sort -- you're obviously not on commission like most in finance sales). So you must know that "they are stupidly handing out their money" because they have money to hand out. That's the way it works.
 

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Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
The Credit Card issuers. They shouldn't give out so much credit. They should limit the amount of credit they issue to people to what can reasonably be paid off by them in a short period of time. They would still make plenty of money, and they wouldn't have so many defaults.

They are complicit in the problem, but ultimately the Consumer is responsible the most. Personal Debt is really a systemic problem, advertisers encourage spending, credit card issuers encourage spending and facilitate its' ease, and Consumers want to spend now and pay later, once in awhile someone needs to step in and return some sanity to it all.
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?

It's the fault of the Hot Deals forum!

But seriously, a look at growth consumer debt levels is incomplete without a look at interest rates over the same period, and growth in assets.

 

amok

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: amok
*Am not going to respond to personal attack...*

I'm not going to disagree with you that people should act wisely and learn to live within their means. In general, though, this isn't going to happen unless its forced upon them.

The reason I blame the credit issuers is simple, they are stupidly handing out their money. I'm approached for loans often. For every one that I give out, I deny four. The reason is simple, four out of five that approach me either ask for more than they could reasonably pay back, or they want it to start up some hair-brained idea that only has a 1:10 chance of succeeding. As a result, I haven't had one person default on me in three years.
LOL :D
Take it easy now, the "personal attack" was meant in jest, hence the :p

I'm impressed by your rock-bottom default rate. It seems like you work in finance/banking of some type (sounds like community lending of some sort -- you're obviously not on commission like most in finance sales). So you must know that "they are stupidly handing out their money" because they have money to hand out. That's the way it works.
Actually, I've never worked in any sort of finance/banking position. There are some personal loans, and some attempts to get me to finance business deals for a piece of the startup (still a loan in my eyes). I guess the "often" in my previous statement threw you off a bit. I usually have about one person per week walk into my office about this sort of thing. Not often for somebody in the business, but too often for somebody like me who is busy with other things ;).
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: alchemize
The government debt is one thing....

who's fault is consumer debt?
Bush's fault.
Sigh... I guess I should have posted this in OT if I wanted a civilized and intelligent discussion? ;) :p

Well you know me! The big kidder!
 

Vic

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One more...

Middle class barely treads water
Middle class barely treads water
By Christine Dugas, USA TODAY
Millions of middle-class families can no longer afford to live on two incomes.
A generation ago, a typical American middle-class family lived on the income of a single breadwinner. In recent years it has taken two working spouses to live the modern middle-class dream. Now, it seems even that is not enough to survive the skyrocketing cost of housing, health care and college while saving for retirement and shouldering growing debt loads.

Bill and Terry Will of Chesapeake, Va., together earn about $70,000 a year, and yet it's a struggle to provide for their family and pay off their credit card debt. Terry, 44, is a nurse and Bill, 50, manages a warehouse that ships food and supplies to other countries.

The Wills have five children at home, ages 2 to 17. They budget every penny and have no savings, no college fund, no retirement nest egg.

Like many middle-class families ? often broadly defined as those earning $25,000 to $99,999 ? the Wills have little room to maneuver if something unexpected comes up. They barely survived when Bill's job as an oil company sales manager was eliminated in 1999. They came close to losing their home and nearly ended up in bankruptcy before they went to a non-profit credit counseling agency for help.

What happened to the Wills is being repeated in legions of middle-class homes across the USA. With personal bankruptcy at an all-time high, it's mostly the middle class that gets trapped: 92% of the record 1.6 million filers in the year ended June 30 were middle class, according to a Harvard University study.

The Wills acknowledge that they didn't know much about managing money before they went into debt counseling, but they didn't live beyond their means.

"We didn't have cable TV before, and we still don't," Terry says. "We used credit cards to pay for diapers, food and school stuff."

It may be hard to believe, but the average family of four spends 21% less on clothes and 22% less on food ? both at home and in restaurants ? than a similar family did a generation ago, according to a new book, The Two-Income Trap. And though families may spend more today on things like Internet services, DVDs and airline travel, those increases are offset by declines in other expenditures.

Instead of splurging on gourmet meals and designer clothing, families are spending more on essentials such as day care, housing and health insurance.

"Costs are rising quickly, and benefits that used to be provided by employers now must be provided by workers themselves, including health insurance and retirement," says Christian Weller, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute.

The average employee contribution toward health insurance premiums is $2,412 for family coverage this year, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. That's a 13% increase over 2002.

Housing also is eating up more of the average family's budget. About 80% of low- and moderate-income homeowners spent more than half of their income on housing in 2001, according to the Center for Housing Policy. Many experts say no more than 36% of gross monthly income should go toward credit card bills, car payments and mortgages combined.

Today, much of a family's second income goes to paying for a suburban home in a good school district, says Elizabeth Warren, Harvard law professor and co-author of The Two-Income Trap.

"Middle-class families are taking on ruinous mortgages just to find a home in the right ZIP codes," Warren says.

"The cost of living is crazy in the top-rated school district here," says Emily Derr, 25, a renter who lives in Houston with her husband, Jeremy, and their 5-month-old daughter, Madison. A house that costs $145,000 in that neighborhood would cost $20,000 less one suburb over, she says.

Using credit to make ends meet

The Derrs can't afford to buy a house yet. They have struggled since Jeremy got out of college with $16,000 in credit card bills and student loans.

Emily has a nursing degree. She had hoped that with two incomes they'd be fine. Instead, she says, "We were making a little more than minimum payments, but it didn't seem like it was going anywhere. I thought it was going to be 40 years before we'd be able to buy a house."

To economize, they moved into a cheaper apartment and sold one of two cars. But Jeremy made only $12,000 in his first year as a financial adviser for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, and they paid $500 a month for health insurance. "I felt like I was drowning," Emily says.

Credit card debt became an albatross. Eventually, the Derrs went to a credit-counseling service for help. Jeremy joined the Army and is now in officer candidate school.

Credit card debt for middle-income families is soaring ? up 75% to $5,031 between 1989 and 2001, according to a new report by Demos, a non-partisan public policy organization.

"Middle-class families are using credit cards to fill in a gap between their income and costs," says Tamara Draut, director of the economic opportunity program at Demos. "It's more about maintaining their standard of living than frivolous consumption."

At one point, when Bill Will had no income and no health insurance, he still had credit cards and continued to use them. "I did what I had to do for my family," he says.

Average card debt declined somewhat in 2001, according to Federal Reserve data. But some experts don't see much cause for optimism. Many families traded high-interest card debt for lower-rate home equity loans. That lowers debt payments but puts homes at risk. The percentage of homeowners facing foreclosure in the second quarter was 1.12%, down only slightly from the record 1.2% in the first three months of the year, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association of America.

Facing financial failure

As consumers shoulder more debt, bankruptcy filings have exploded. Nearly 90% of families with children who file for bankruptcy cite three reasons: job loss, divorce or medical problems, according to the Consumer Bankruptcy Project at Harvard University, the largest study of consumer bankruptcy in America. About one-third of the families owed an entire year's salary on their credit cards.

Single parents typically have the hardest time juggling financial obligations. A divorced woman with a child is nearly three times more likely to file for bankruptcy than a single person with no children, Warren says.

Pamela Robbins, 36, is a single mother of three children, ages 5, 11 and 12. Her problems snowballed after she split from the children's father about 10 years ago. "There were weeks when my groceries went on my credit cards," says the Mashpee, Mass., resident. "It was a matter of survival. I had to do it to pay the gas bill so it wouldn't get shut off."

Her credit card debt grew to $56,000. Creditors were calling. Robbins earned about $30,000 last year working two jobs to try to keep up. She runs a home day care business and works at a grocery store. Like Emily Derr, she says she felt like she was "drowning."

With bankruptcy looming, Robbins wanted to save her home. She went to Auriton Solutions, a credit-counseling agency. They negotiated with creditors to reduce her interest payments and put her on a repayment plan.

"I am still stretched to the limit," Robbins says. "But in the last six months I've noticed the debt is going down. It's going to take a few years, but eventually it's going to get cleared up."

Putting retirement at risk

Many people like Robbins manage to avoid bankruptcy by going to a credit-counseling agency. Even then, it can take years to climb out of debt. Saving for retirement usually gets put on hold.

"I have no savings account," Robbins says. "I have no IRA ? no retirement plan." And the need to save for college could put retirement further out of reach.

Most workers are on their own when saving for retirement as fewer companies offer traditional pensions. Nearly two-thirds of middle-income families in 2001 had only a 401(k) type of plan at work, according to a recent report by the Employee Benefit Research Institute. The median plan balance for families earning $25,000 to $49,999 was just $7,000.

Though many employers provide a matching contribution to 401(k) plans, during the economic downturn many suspended or reduced contributions.

Recent efforts in Congress to improve retirement programs have focused on increasing the maximum amount that workers can contribute each year to 401(k) plans and IRAs. "But if they can't afford to put in $2,000, they're not going to take advantage of the $3,500 limit," says Cindy Hounsell, executive director of the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement.

"Workers not only have to save for retirement, but they have to make wise financial decisions," Weller, the economist, notes. The nearly three-year stock market downturn underscored the potential for investment losses in nest eggs.

And during the mortgage refinancing boom, many families depleted their biggest asset: home equity. Last year alone, about $200 billion of home equity was cashed out as homeowners refinanced, according to economist Mark Zandi.

"The large mortgage payments will prevent many middle-income workers from retiring when they want," says Steve Brobeck, executive director of the Consumer Federation of America.

Despite their financial woes, middle-class families are often in a Catch-22 situation. They typically make too much to qualify for federal aid programs, and yet they don't earn enough to benefit much from expanded retirement plan limits, tax cuts on dividend income, capital gains and the like, consumer advocates say.

Bill and Terry Will, meanwhile, are doing the best that they can to remain positive. It will take the couple another three to five years to get rid of their debts.

They also have to think about college for their son, Michael, who is a senior in high school. And they have no retirement savings. Terry does not contribute to her 401(k) plan at work now because all their money is going to paying off their debt.

"If we worried about all of this we'd be physically sick," Terry says. "We just have to trust in God to help us."