My whole point was that Abwx is using the word -- Zionist as his code word for being an anti-zionist!
Just say what you really mean instead of using this zionist misspeak......
Admit to the whole forum that you are anti-zionist....thats not hard for you to do is it??
Your particular use of the word ZIONIST is a smoke screen for something entirely different.
It has been coined a weasel word.....meaning something entirely different than the accepted meaning.
In your case it is overtly obvious you are anti-zionist! - of course you can be anything you want, but don`t pretend otherwise!
So what does any of the following have to do with the OP`s premise that Israel`s present situation is usustainable??
1. Hitler was Jewish. This had been known at the time of WWII and recently was proven factually true. --- duh...no kidding....so does that make jews Nazi`s?? NO!
2. There is more than one type of jew, and they do not all love each other. There are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, and they have killed each other plenty of times, even going as far as radiating sephardic children. Not quite as bad as Shiites vs Sunnis, but similar. Google "ringworm sephardic children" for more info. Yes it really happened, despite the loud denials by a great many people. -- really tell us something we do not know......the problem is there are numerous sites saying the facts are wrong and that it did not happen as described......but as far as this thread goes what does this have to do with anything we are talking about? If it did happen there are many examples of things done by Christians to Christians.....etc...
3. The jewish state was created by zionists with the direct and intentional purpose of being exactly what it is today. This is no accident. There will never be peace in that part of the world because too many wealthy and powerful people do not wish there to be peace. They proved that with the USS Liberty. Even today, 98% of people will deny the truth of what happened there, just like they will deny the truth of the ringworm incident. There is some serious power behind this, mad occult power, far beyond the understanding of most people. Watch "the arrivals" for more information. --- the truth is you are a conspiracy theorist and you talk in absolutes leaving no room for what actually happenned! Again what does this have to do with anything in this thread? All your points are off the topic! Start a new thread....
You jumped into this without understanding the context of what was being said......plus you did not read all the post leading up to what you posted.
Nobody is saying that Jews did not come from different parts of the world...duh.....
Nobody is debating that their are what is called Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews....
Nobody is debating that most religions have attacked their brothers and sisters at one time or another....
What my point was that you obviously did not get was that Abwx was anti-zionist and should admit it before the forum.
There are Jews from every corner of the world. My view is that a Jew is a Jew and being one myself I do not differentiate between Ashkenazi and Sephardic....black or white.....tall or short....can they speak hebrew or not.....I have no such prejudices when it comes to my fellow Jewish brethren!!
Finally you claimed that Hitler was Jewish.....
You need to read up on that subject.....
Adolf Hitler.
And for years, we resisted. Seeing Hitler's mug splashed all over our website just seems wrong. And our lowest possible score of zero just seems... too high.
But the requests keep on coming.
And you know what? Why shouldn't we profile Hitler? After all, we're here to address Jewish rumors. And yes, one of the biggest Jewish rumors out there is that Hitler had Jewish blood.
Well, those rumors are totally and completely false. Yes, there are some theories that Adolf's father wasn't his father. Or that his grandmother got impregnated by a Jew. Or that his mother had an affair with Jewish aliens from the future.
http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=358
And then there are the studies that "concluded" that Hitler might have had Jewish DNA. "Might have". Just like, according to the very same studies, he might have had African DNA. Or Spanish DNA. Or alien DNA? Yawn.
It's all such ridiculous BS. But that hasn't stopped people from trying. Repeat after us: there is nothing there.
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He was Catholic.
Born and bred a Catholic, he grew up in a religion and in a culture that was anti-semitic, and in persecuting Jews, he repeatedly proclaimed he was doing the "Lord's work."
You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."
Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I -- Adolf Hitler -- will conclude."
In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
Hitler regarded himself as a Catholic until he died. "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.
There was really no reason for Hitler to doubt his good standing as a Catholic. The Catholic press in Germany was eager to curry his favor, and the princes of the Catholic Church never asked for his excommunication. Religions encourage their followers to hold authority in unquestioning respect; this is what makes devout religionists such wonderful dupes for dictators.
Note:There are stories of his paternal Grand father possibly being Jewish but that would not make him Jewish as this comes through the maternal line.So he is Catholic and considered himself so.
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But while Hitler probably didn't have any Jewish blood, it can't be completely ruled out. Hitler's father was illegitimate and to this day there is some question about who his grandfather was. Throughout his career he was dogged by rumors about his pedigree, some of them circulated by his fellow Nazis. In 1933 the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler. It's now known the Bucharest Hitler could not have been grandfather to our Adolf, but Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.
Here's what we know: Hitler's paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, gave birth to Alois, Hitler's father, in 1837. She was 42 and unmarried at the time and apparently never revealed the father's identity. Five years later she married Johann Georg Hiedler or Hitler (spelling was a bit casual in those days). But Alois kept the surname Schicklgruber until he was 39 years old.
In 1876 a new baptismal certificate was issued declaring that Alois's stepfather J.G. Hiedler was in fact his real father. By this time both Maria and J.G. were dead. Why the name change so late in the day nobody really knows, but there is speculation that Alois did it so he could come into an inheritance. At any rate, few researchers today believe J.G. was really Alois's father.
Now for the weird stuff. After the war Hitler's former lawyer, Hans Frank, claimed that Adolf told him in 1930 that one of his relatives was trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his alleged Jewish ancestry. Hitler asked Frank to find out the facts. Frank says he determined that at the time Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois, she was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son, according to Frank, was Alois's father and Hitler's grandfather--which would make the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.
Frank's allegations have vexed historians ever since. The distinguished Hitler scholar Werner Maser was so irritated he claimed Frank made the whole thing up. Others think Frank was telling the truth but that the research he did for Hitler was faulty. It turns out that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s; what's more, so far as can be determined, Maria Schicklgruber never lived in Graz. Frank's source for the Frankenberger yarn was a distant relation of Hitler's, who supposedly had letters exchanged by the Frankenbergers and Maria Schicklgruber. (It's claimed they gave her child support.) But neither the relative nor the letters have ever surfaced, and chances are it's all a crock.
So who really was Hitler's grandfather? Werner Maser thinks it was the brother of his legal grandfather, one Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. But that's not all. J. Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Klara Poelzl, Hitler's mom. In other words, J.N. was both Adolph's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather. I'm not about to tell you any of this was the proximate cause of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, his suicide, or anything else. Still, if you believe Maser, not only was Hitler twisted, so was his family tree.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/797/was-hitler-part-jewish
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So the bottom line is nobody knows for sure.....does it bother me at all...nope!!
why? Because the past is the past.....their have been weirder things happen in the past......
Shalom!!
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