The curremt Israeli staregy is unsustainable.

[cybrsage]

I tried to find a reputable source for the ABWx quote, but all I found were hate sites. Apparently, Jedi is correct, it is a lie.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I tried to find a reputable source for the ABWx quote, but all I found were hate sites. Apparently, Jedi is correct, it is a lie.

Definitely looks like stormfront material to me.

 

[Abwx]

I tried to find a reputable source for the ABWx quote, but all I found were hate sites. Apparently, Jedi is correct, it is a lie.

How funny and hypocritical...
Hate sites because they expose the zionist hateful ideologies ???..

The exemples of the zionists baselessness , ultra racism and nazism
are endless.


A fewquotes , not selected....

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies �not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. " ... we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria... The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established... When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo." " David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
28. "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982
29. "Tell me, do the evil men of this world have a bad time? They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear us instead of feeling sorry. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear our madness instead of admiring our nobility. Let them tremble; let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a savage country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go wild, that we might start World War Three just like that, or that we might one day go crazy and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East. Even if you'll prove to me that the present war is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more. And do you know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more unpopular among the civilized world.We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality. No more talk about a unique people being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance." --Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
30. "The Modern Age is the Jewish Age, and the twentieth century, in particular, is the Jewish Century." -Yuri Slezkine, Professor of History at University of California, Berkeley, "The Jewish Century"; Princeton University Press
31. "What shocks and worries me is the narrow-mindedness and the shortsightedness of our military leaders. They seem to presume that the State of Israel may or even must-behave in the realm of international relations according to the laws of the jungle- -the long chain of false incidents and hostilities we have invented, and so many clashes we have provoked;" - From Diary of Moshe Sharett, former Primer Minister of Israel in Livia Rokach, Israel's Sacred Terrorism published 980
32. Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am, after paying a visit to Palestine in 1891: "Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."
33. The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, on the 2nd of November, 1917: "His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
34. Lord Sydenham, Hansard, House of Lords, 21 June 1922: "If we are going to admit claims on conquest thousands of years ago, the whole world will have to be turned upside down."
35. Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923: "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."
36. Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923: "A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing."
37. David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985: "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
38. Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem": "Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left."
39. Israeli official Arthur Lourie in a letter to Walter Eytan, director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry (ISA FM 2564/22). From Benny Morris, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem 1947-49", p. 297: "...if people become accustomed to the large figure and we are actually obliged to accept the return of the refugees, we may find it difficult, when faced with hordes of claimants, to convince the world that not all of these formerly lived in Israeli territory. It would, in any event, seem desirable to minimize the numbers...than otherwise."
40. David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben- Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978: "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."
41. David Ben-Gurion, one of the father founders of Israel, described Zionist aims in 1948: "A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo... And in this fashion, we will end the war and settle our forefathers' account with Egypt, Assyria, and Aram"
42. [Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir who were members of the party became Prime Ministers.] Albert Einstein, Hanna Arendt and other prominent Jewish Americans, writing in The New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachem Begin, December 1948: "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created State of Israel of the Freedom Party (Herut), a political party closely akin in its organization, method, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."
43. Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949. "We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora."
44. Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio "Israel.": "It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire."
45. Martin Buber, to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958: "When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."
46. Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister) stated arrogantly. New York Times June 19, 1967: "If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders) "Israel" would refuse to comply with the decision."
47. Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983: "Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israeli's Parliament] immediately after the 1067 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner."
48. Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 /p.2: "The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point ... We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe."
49. Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989: "Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."
50. Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989: "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
51. Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service: "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the Jordan River for future generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
52. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000: "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
53. Ben Gurion: In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl: " I would suggest to you to come round in time to the "Greater Palestine" program before it is too late... the Basle program must contain the words "Great Palestine" or "Palestine and its neighboring lands" otherwise it's nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of 25,000 Km2". " The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill -- From the Nile to the Euphrates."
54. Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem): "Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php

 

[cybrsage]

How funny and hypocritical...
Hate sites because they expose the zionist hateful ideologies ???..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php

When I said reputable sites, I did not mean a conspiracy theorist site like the one you just posted. Seriously, that site says the WTCs were blown up by the US using a controlled demolition...

Try using a reputable site, not one which says the attack on Pearl Harbor is the same as Israel stopping the flotilla which tried to run the blockade.

 

[dank69]

I have no interest in this thread other than to say you *can* edit your fucking title.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...lestinians.php

We all knew that you would stoop to doing almost anything to prove your pathetic and ignorant claims!!
That is hardly a reputable site.......but it is a site you would post from and believe with all your heart. Your hatred for Jews shows no bounds. Even using an acknowledged liar who twists what is being said and taking things out of context! Come to think of it you hand a woodie about one of my signatures because you were yourself taking it out of context!!

Now if it was NewYorktimes.com....or say CBS.com.......
Yet we expected nothing less from you to post something akin to stormfront.com.
Of course you can find sites that are way out there. The fact remains -you quoted a proven liar!

Your quote and comparison with Hitler are both totally bogus!

You quoted a radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, a contributor to the far left wing anti American magazine Le Monde diplomatique. Incidentally Kapeliouk was Yasser Arafat's biographer, [Arafat l’irréductible], He was exposed by CAMERA: Committee for Accuarcy in Middle East Reporting in America, for distortion by an Israeli critic of a Begin speech discussing terrorism and terrorists.

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

 

[JEDIYoda]

When I said reputable sites, I did not mean a conspiracy theorist site like the one you just posted. Seriously, that site says the WTCs were blown up by the US using a controlled demolition...

Try using a reputable site, not one which says the attack on Pearl Harbor is the same as Israel stopping the flotilla which tried to run the blockade.

That site is also Kylebisme`s favorite site - you know that one with the insane 9/11 thread.....

 

[Abwx]

When I said reputable sites, I did not mean a conspiracy theorist site like the one you just posted. Seriously, that site says the WTCs were blown up by the US using a controlled demolition...

Try using a reputable site, not one which says the attack on Pearl Harbor is the same as Israel stopping the flotilla which tried to run the blockade.

You lack elementary intellectual honnesty , wich is unsurprising.

That this site is controversial on others subjects doesnt
invalidate the fact that the israelis words they quote are genuine,
so you are attacking it on other matters..

Poor usual zionists diversion strategy that was and still
so widly used that the rope is no more visible unless
you are a zio medics addict...

 

[EagleKeeper]

How funny and hypocritical...
Hate sites because they expose the zionist hateful ideologies ???..

The exemples of the zionists baselessness , ultra racism and nazism
are endless.


A fewquotes , not selected....




http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php

Hate sites also need to ensure that things are taken out of context or sound bites are selected

 

[Abwx]

Hate sites also need to ensure that things are taken out of context or sound bites are selected

The zionists quotes above doesnt need to be placed
in any contexts since they are self sufficients as a witness
of israel s racist and supremacist behaviour wich is daily
applied...

Only a clueless or dishonnest people would show as much
bad faith as you are..

Indeed , your perpetual apologism of zionism is entrenched
in your lack of self understanding since most of your "opinions"
are influenced by a rampant US supremacism wich make you
support your zionists doubles...

 

[cybrsage]

You lack elementary intellectual honnesty , wich is unsurprising.

That this site is controversial on others subjects doesnt
invalidate the fact that the israelis words they quote are genuine,
so you are attacking it on other matters..

Poor usual zionists diversion strategy that was and still
so widly used that the rope is no more visible unless
you are a zio medics addict...

The site says the US government blew up the twin towers...come on, do you expect me to take that site seriously?

Show a reputable site, not some loony conspiracy theorist site or StormFront...

 

[Lemon law]

As yet another Israeli Palestinian thread somewhat degenerates as this forum concentrates on justifying either the Israel side, or the Palestinian side, and then treating
the issue like some sporting contest with mutually agreed scoring rules. And then at some given magical future date, some horn or scoring gun will go off, signaling the end of the game. And then we will all know either the Israelis or Palestinians have won, game over, and THAT IS IT.

Which is simply not the real world case, Because the the game will go on and on and on, into the infinite future. And at least to me, its difficult to believe Israel can maintain its military hegemony indefinitely. Or that No more than 7 Million Israeli Jews growing at a very slow rate, can defeat some 1.4 billion world wide Muslims if we want to to conceive the Israeli Palestinian conflict as a battle of religions. Or that that other Western religion
broadly called Christianity will forever stayed allied with the Jews when the last 2000 years of world history basically shows, traditionally, Christians have treated the Jews far worse than Muslims. Or we could look at the somewhat 4000 year old Jewish history when Jews were in control of Israel. And twice or may be thrice, Israeli control did nothing to protect the Jews when they were in control of Israel and pissed off a major world power. As I refer to the first diaspora aka the Babylonian captivity, and the second diaspora when Israel finally really pissed of the Romans as they climbed Mount Masada. and ceased to have any power or presence in the holy land of Israel. for 1800 to 1900 years. The 3'rd event may be fact or fiction, as the whole Moses story can't be collaborated in any Egyptian histories.

Or we can look at the history of Israel after the second diaspora, as it mostly became a backwater, that changed hands countless times in the next 1800 or so years. And in the few times Israel fell into Christian hands, the immediate Christian reaction was to expel, Israel few Jews and Mainly Muslims from any control. And 100 years or so later when the Arabs took over, they returned the favor and expelled the Christians.

So why should we assume the present Israeli strategy of pigging all of Israel will work any better long term?

As Israeli fan clubbers seems totally invested in the idea that Jews will remain in control of Israeli forever when its never been any historical precedent. Or buy into the myth, that Muslims and Jews, or Christians are like Cats and Dogs that can't live together? When there are many historical presidents of Jews, Muslims, and Christians working
together for mutual benefit. Or the fact that I am not the only family in the world to have both cats and dogs living side by side in almost perfect harmony.

Which is why I choose my thread title and advocate an Israeli strategy of total hostility to all its neighbors is unsustainable, and we should all search for ways to find Israeli Palestinian ways to fairly share Israel Step one in MHO is for Israel to help establish a Palestinian State rather than resist it to the last drop of Jewish blood.

Or we can ask, does Israel have a better plan B?

 

[EagleKeeper]

<snip>

Which is why I choose my thread title and advocate an Israeli strategy of total hostility to all its neighbors is unsustainable, and we should all search for ways to find Israeli Palestinian ways to fairly share Israel Step one in MHO is for Israel to help establish a Palestinian State rather than resist it to the last drop of Jewish blood.

Or we can ask, does Israel have a better plan B?

Israel does not have total hostility toward it's neighbors.

Neighbors that are willing to co-exists with her are traded with.
Neighbors that are advocate her destruction are treated with wariness.

Which is the potential Palestinian state?

 

[dali71]

After all, our great American patriot Nathan Hale, said we "give me liberty or give me death."

Not that I would expect a drooling moron like you to know this, but it was actually Patrick Henry who said that. Nathan Hale was famous for his last words, "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country."

 

[Lemon law]

Israel does not have total hostility toward it's neighbors.

Neighbors that are willing to co-exists with her are traded with.
Neighbors that are advocate her destruction are treated with wariness.

Which is the potential Palestinian state?

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Pardon me, EK, you may believe what you say, but I don't think recent history will agree with you.

As you continue to deny, any other Israeli options are possible. While ignoring the fact that in just the past 18 months, Israel has alienated every mid-east country it had trade relationships with. Just another false premise EK GIGO argument.

 

[Lemon law]

Not that I would expect a drooling moron like you to know this, but it was actually Patrick Henry who said that. Nathan Hale was famous for his last words, "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country."

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Wow Dali71, you may be right, but your delusion is that if I misstated one historical fact, it somehow proves all my premise is wrong.

 

[dali71]

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Wow Dali71, you may be right, but your delusion is that if I misstated one historical fact, it somehow proves all my premise is wrong.

I think your entire posting history makes it a pretty safe bet that your premise is wrong.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You lack elementary intellectual honnesty , wich is unsurprising.

That this site is controversial on others subjects doesnt
invalidate the fact that the israelis words they quote are genuine, -- actually those words were proven to be false -- what part of not true...false....mis-quoted do you not understand?? --

He was exposed by CAMERA: Committee for Accuarcy in Middle East Reporting in America, for distortion by an Israeli critic of a Begin speech discussing terrorism and terrorists.

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

so you are attacking it on other matters..

Poor usual zionists diversion strategy that was and still
so widly used that the rope is no more visible unless
you are a zio medics addict...

Talk about diversion...its the likes of people like you that post out and out lies to try to persuade people who would know no better unless they did some research that you are wrong!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Wow Dali71, you may be right, but your delusion is that if I misstated one historical fact, it somehow proves all my premise is wrong.

No--you have already proven by your imaginative predictions that all your premises are wrong!

Is Abwx your brother???

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel does not have total hostility toward it's neighbors.

Neighbors that are willing to co-exists with her are traded with.
Neighbors that are advocate her destruction are treated with wariness.

:thumbsup:That is 100% true!!:thumbsup:

 

[Lemon law]

:thumbsup:That is 100% true!!:thumbsup:

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And even if its 100% true JediY which is dubious, why should it be Israeli advantage when even any Israeli neighbors who tried to trust Israel now regard Israel with total wariness?

As Israel is also now distrusted by former EU allies, leaving Israel with only the USA controlled by AIPAC as the last bastion of its defense as Israeli is pushing up world oil prices by its rhetoric?

When no one in the world will recognize Israeli claims to the West Bank, Gaza, and East Germany or Israel's settlement policies on disputed land.

What is Israelis plan B if it attacks Iran, and the USA refuses to join Israel?

It just never seems to occur to you, JedIY, that if you think Israel is 100% right, that in a 6 billion people world with no AIPAC, that the larger world will support Israel to the hilt no matter how stupid Israel's delusion of grander are.

After all, look at all the international cred the USA lost, when the USA claim of Iraqi WMD
did not prove out to be true.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Pardon me, EK, you may believe what you say, but I don't think recent history will agree with you.

As you continue to deny, any other Israeli options are possible. While ignoring the fact that in just the past 18 months, Israel has alienated every mid-east country it had trade relationships with. Just another false premise EK GIGO argument.

False Premise

Please explain why there is ongoing trade with Jordan, Egypt and Turkey?

Also also explain why there has been a US veto in the UN Security Council on the issue of a Palestinian state.

Then explain about the world wide embargo against Israel for the treatment of the Palestinians.

All/any of the above should demostrste the hostility of the world toward Israel and unsustainable policies.

These all all based on your statements and insight into ME politics and policies.

 

[Karl Agathon]

As yet another Israeli Palestinian thread somewhat degenerates as this forum concentrates on justifying either the Israel side, or the Palestinian side

is that really a suiprise to you? You full well know that this is a very polarizing issue. Most of these threads (many started by you) usually end up degenerating.

 

[Abwx]

The site says the US government blew up the twin towers...come on, do you expect me to take that site seriously?

Show a reputable site, not some loony conspiracy theorist site or StormFront...

A reputable site ?...Faux news suit you , surely ?...

The burden of proof is on you , about the zionists s quotes they are right unless you can prove them false exactly on that matter...

I heard Hitler said one day that the sky is blue , will you
conclude that it s actually another colour ??..

This is the essence of your childish rethoric.

 

[Abwx]

is that really a suiprise to you? You full well know that this is a very polarizing issue. Most of these threads (many started by you) usually end up degenerating.

True that he has to deal with a few zionists meds addicts
that are living in their zio meds inspired dreams while
a few others will side with them in a kind of competition
to be part of a three stooges like cohort...