Meghan54
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The fuck? what am I dividing and conquering?
Fucking clown.
And still ignoring facts, I see. Typical.
The fuck? what am I dividing and conquering?
Fucking clown.
The labor shortage is mostly in low pay jobs. The people in those jobs are not heavily invested in equity markets. They are mostly living paycheck to paycheck people.
en.wikipedia.org
My personal experience with people choosing not to return to work is that they have became disillusioned from the idea that they were getting equitable treatment by the companies they worked for. These companies had no problem throwing them away or asking them to risk their life when it suited them. Calling them 'essential workers' but then in the next breath reminding them they were expendable.
Now they want to find a better way to trade their labor for money. Many have joined the gig-economy. Others found out that they could make nearly as much money as their low paying jobs earned them by turning a hobby into a job. Still others have decided that there is no reason to worry about a job that does not worry about them, and quit at the drop of a hat because they can always find another near minimum wage job.
Basically the illusion that they have to accept whatever shit their manager throws at them has been burst, now workers are demanding better treatment or better pay, and the companies are not yet willing to do either.
Again, just displaying his typical shithead intellectual dishonesty. As if only one segment of the working population would have its pay increased while everyone else stays stagnant. Idiot.
I get the sense that we're firmly on the path of permanently replacing some people jobs with machines. Can't find enough truck drivers to move loads and stay in DOT compliance? Self-driving trucks to the rescue. Can't find enough teens to work a fast food joint at $8/hour? I'll lease you a fleet of robots for less than $4/hour each (and you don't have to share tips or provide any benefits!) Throw in a few drone bots to replace longshoremen and we can start unloading your boat before you're even docked.
I didn't think we'd get there until 2050 or so, but now I think the Great Resignation is moving up the timetable for AI job replacement by at least a decade.
Trucking and longshoremen are mainly union. They have pension plans.
Trucking and longshoremen are mainly union. They have pension plans.
You are right. Not much to say there. The GOP's war on immigration has had the predictable outcome.As to low wage jobs, they are often filled by recent immigrants. Legal immigration declined year over year under Trump. A labor shortage was an expected outcome which was pointed out at the time.
The factors are not much different, but peoples views of them are. A lot of people didn't realize just how little companies cared about them. The lockdown was a eye opener to many who realized that not only did the company not care if they starved to death or not, but that they could get buy reasonable well without that low paying job.Not sure if these factors are different enough from the past now to explain current behavior.
Every time I mentioned piss testing as the 800 lb gorilla for hiring truckers, I got crickets here. Or maybe when I say UA testing people eyes roll back in their heads, because they don't know what it means.Don't know anything about longshoremen, but I know a bunch of truckers. There is several problems in the trucking industry. The main one being that a law recently went into place requiring mandatory random drug screening. That alone accounted for more then half the trucker labor shortage. The other problems is that long haul trucking (where the majority of the labor shortage is for trucking) is a terrible job that few people stick with long, and now Amazon and other package truck delivery companies are hiring anyone with a CDL at comparable pay to the big trucking companies, and their need for drivers seems to be bottomless. So, people are quitting long haul trucking to drive Amazon vans and deliver groceries. The final issue is that there is a overall feel in the long haul trucking industry that there is no future in it, that the job will be automated soon. Most people get in to get their CDL, put their mandatory one or two years in, then go drive for Amazon or UPS.
You are right. Not much to say there. The GOP's war on immigration has had the predictable outcome.
The factors are not much different, but peoples views of them are. A lot of people didn't realize just how little companies cared about them. The lockdown was a eye opener to many who realized that not only did the company not care if they starved to death or not, but that they could get buy reasonable well without that low paying job.
Why pay McDonalds peons $15 an hour when we pay EMTs $13 an hour? Checkmate motherfuckers!
I honestly don't know why you guys waste your time arguing with someone so dishonest that they provided one example of a fast food worker being promoted to manager, and then tried to argue that every McD's burger flipper was making manager salaries.Again, just displaying his typical shithead intellectual dishonesty. As if only one segment of the working population would have its pay increased while everyone else stays stagnant. Idiot.
Even the article the OP put up says people now have choices now. but he pretty much ignored the article itself.. but that is what happens when you read it with glasses that only allow one insterpitation. It's like being color blind and bitching that a painting has no color in it.Not sure about assumptions made here regarding the cause(s) of this labor shortage. One cause is people taking early retirement, in part because surging equity markets have increased the value of retirement accounts. Another is clearly fear of COVID transmission in the work place. Another may be Trump's restrictive immigration policies.
Not sure why all the sudden people don't want jobs because of crappy pay and working conditions when worker pay and conditions were similar before COVID. Indeed, they aren't much different from 10 years ago when the vast majority returned to work when jobs opened up.
My best guess is that pay and conditions are factoring in as a second order effect. Meaning that there was initially a shortage for several other reasons, and now people who are not working see it as an opportunity to bargain for better pay and conditions because they know how desperate some companies are for workers. However, it's far and away not the only reason for this shortage.
The labor shortage is mostly in low pay jobs. The people in those jobs are not heavily invested in equity markets. They are mostly living paycheck to paycheck people.
My personal experience with people choosing not to return to work is that they have became disillusioned from the idea that they were getting equitable treatment by the companies they worked for. These companies had no problem throwing them away or asking them to risk their life when it suited them. Calling them 'essential workers' but then in the next breath reminding them they were expendable.
Now they want to find a better way to trade their labor for money. Many have joined the gig-economy. Others found out that they could make nearly as much money as their low paying jobs earned them by turning a hobby into a job. Still others have decided that there is no reason to worry about a job that does not worry about them, and quit at the drop of a hat because they can always find another near minimum wage job.
Basically the illusion that they have to accept whatever shit their manager throws at them has been burst, now workers are demanding better treatment or better pay, and the companies are not yet willing to do either.
One McDonald's near me posted a help wanted sign offering $15 an hour but with a catch. That catch, the $15 an hour only kicked in after 9pm. The establishment is only open until 11pm. And so.... yeah you can make $15 an hour but only for two hours from 9pm thru closing as 11pm. Ohhhhh boyyyy, what a deal.
And THIS is exactly why no one wants to work especially low wage jobs, because owners and managers are ASS HOLES. Always pulling the gimmicks and thinking of ways to screw their employees.
I knew of one Baskin Robins ice cream store owned by a couple from India. They withheld taxes from employee paychecks but never turned that money over to the federal IRS nor state IRS. The husband and wife owner simply decided to keep that money for themselves. Then, the IRS went after every employee for failure to pay taxes. Eventually the truth came out and the owner was held accountable, and fined. The owner, husband and wife, claimed... HEY, WE'RE FROM INDIA. WE NEVER UNDERSTOOD HOW TAXES WORK. And again, owners and managers like this with always pulling crap like this is why no one wants to work. I mean, who needs to put up with this shit? Especially low wage workers who just want a fair deal and a decent wage.
I honestly don't know why you guys waste your time arguing with someone so dishonest that they provided one example of a fast food worker being promoted to manager, and then tried to argue that every McD's burger flipper was making manager salaries.
That troll has never once made a honest argument, I swear. The part where he cherrypicked some data showing RN trainees making sub-$50k wages when most RNs make 6 figures was just comical.
Explain which facts Im ignoringAnd still ignoring facts, I see. Typical.
I honestly don't know why you guys waste your time arguing with someone so dishonest that they provided one example of a fast food worker being promoted to manager, and then tried to argue that every McD's burger flipper was making manager salaries.
That troll has never once made a honest argument, I swear. The part where he cherrypicked some data showing RN trainees making sub-$50k wages when most RNs make 6 figures was just comical.
I honestly don't know why you guys waste your time arguing with someone so dishonest that they provided one example of a fast food worker being promoted to manager, and then tried to argue that every McD's burger flipper was making manager salaries.
That troll has never once made a honest argument, I swear. The part where he cherrypicked some data showing RN trainees making sub-$50k wages when most RNs make 6 figures was just comical.
I already did.Please dispute my source. Come on. I know you can.
Try scrolling down your own source. Lol
Not only that, but fast food manager salaries have been stuck around $50k for the last 20 years or so.Not to mention the fact that fast food managers work crazy fucking hours, I'd love to see the effective hourly rate of that 50k salary.
I did
LOL indeed.
edit: I was commenting on starting salaries, ifyou cared to re-read my quote. Again,:
The starting salary of a Registered Nurse can range from around $28,000-$50,000 per year, depending on location and job industry. The starting hourly wage of an RN can range from $16.50-26.00 per hour.
"According to the BLS, the top-paying nurse salaries were earned in California ($113,240), Hawaii ($104,060), District of Columbia ($94,820), Massachusetts ($93,160) and Oregon ($92,960)."
And that's just the average salaries. Most RNs, especially those in hospitals, earn copious amounts of OT, shift differential, special duty, and on-call pay.
Meanwhile, your 'starting pay' bullshit is just another part of your straw man that this discussion is about teenage workers, when it absolutely is not.
Top paying salaries among the 50 states. JFC read you own sources."top paying salaries"
Teenage workers are not typically nurses you clown.
