The Condition of the Dalits in India

Riprorin

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India, a country with a lot of traditions, culture and beauty, has an unwanted, ugly and inhuman structure called ' CASTE SYSTEM .' One cannot but feel ashamed of the caste system in India. The caste system discriminates the human persons and stratifies them into different groups. According to Manu Dharma , the Hindu religious code of conduct, divides human persons into four Varnas (Varna means color, the Caste).

In Hindu society, caste is still the most powerful factor in determining a person's dignity. The caste system is the result of the Hindu belief in 'Reincarnation and Karma'. The four castes eventually developed into a social mosaic of 3000 sub-castes, with the Untouchables at the bottom of the list and actually outside the list. Such a rigid caste system is not found anywhere in the world outside India. A person is born into a caste. Once born in that caste, his status is predetermined and immutable. Birth decides one's status and this cannot be altered by any talent the person may develop or wealth the person may accumulate. Similarly, the caste in which a person is born predetermines what vocation the person will pursue. One has no choice. Birth decides the occupation of the person in question. (from www.dalitchristians.com)

Here's a feature about the Dalits or "untouchables" from 60 Minutes: Conditions of the Untouchables in India

The term ?Dalit' has roots in Sanskrit where the root 'dal' means 'to split, crack, open'. ( This Indo-European root appears in German and English in the form of 'dal' or 'tal', meaning 'cut'. In English, 'dale' is a valley, a cut in the ground; in German, 'thal': a tailor is one who cuts; 'to tell a tale' is the same as 'to cut a tally', the cut-marks made by the shepherd on his staff when counting sheep.

'Dalit' has come to mean things or persons who are cut, split, broken or torn asunder, scattered or crushed and destroyed. By coincidence, there is in Hebrew a root 'dal' meaning low, weak, poor. In the Bible, different forms of this term have been used to describe people who have been reduced to nothingness or helplessness.The present usage of the term Dalit goes back to the nineteenth century, when a Marathi social reformer and revolutionary , Mahatma Jyotirao Phule (1826-1890), used it to describe the Outcastes and Untouchables as the oppressed and the broken victims of our caste-ridden society. Under the charismatic leadership of Dr. B.R. Ambedkar (1891-1956), this term gained greater importance and popularity. During the 1970s, the followers of the Dalit Panther Movement of Maharastra gave currency to the term 'Dalit' as a constant reminder of their age-old oppression, denoting both their state of deprivation and the people who are oppressed. This term for them is not a mere name or title: for them it has become an expression of hope, the hope of recovering their past self-identity. The term has gained a new connotation with a more positive meaning. It must be remembered that Dalit does not mean Caste or low-Caste or poor ; it refers to the deplorable state or condition to which a large group of people has been reduced by social convention and in which they are now living.

(from www.dalitchristians.com)

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gopunk

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i agree... i mean aside from cats, i think humans are the evilest creatures on earth.
 

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<< i agree... i mean aside from cats, i think humans are the evilest creatures on earth. >>


You forgot hamsters.
 

shiner

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Eh......it's part of their religious belief system so what are you going to do? Sucks but short of converting about a billion of em I don't think there's much chance for change.
 

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<< i agree... i mean aside from cats, i think humans are the evilest creatures on earth. >>


You forgot hamsters.
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that's true... but they're small and cute looking... and it's so funny when they go on their back and hiss at you :D
 

IJump

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People might be even more evil than certain breeds of cats......


IMO, Hamsters are too small to be anything more than a mild menace.
 

Riprorin

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<< Eh......it's part of their religious belief system so what are you going to do? Sucks but short of converting about a billion of em I don't think there's much chance for change. >>



Change is uderway: November 4th event in India
 

PistachioByAzul

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How can people be so inhumane to each other

Quick to edit out the original topic. A good question to ask regarding Christian abortion clinic bombers.

syzygy put it pretty well:

the original poster thinks he can hide his ulterior interest in these social changes with selective
naivety, feigning his innocence, and hiding behind ignorance whenever it suits him. its not a christian
viewpoint he expressed ('untouchables deserting hinduism') but a chauvinistic relsih in seeing the
demise of one competing world faith; the one with the elephant headed gods, multi-limbed, multi-headed
kif-smoking children of nature


Seems like you and the the authors of all the stuff you quote are using these people's trauma to grandstand and promote Christianity.


 

Riprorin

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<< Quick to edit out the original topic. A good question to ask regarding Christian abortion clinic bombers. >>



I edited the title to try to generate serious discussion. If you look at the previous posts, I think you'll see what I mean.

What exactly does this topic have to do with Christian abortion clinic bombers? Care to explain?



<< Seems like you and the the authors of all the stuff you quote are using these people's trauma to grandstand and promote Christianity. >>



You're entitled to your opinion. I didn't know "60 Minutes" was in the business of promoting Christianity.

Did you bother to watch the clip?
 

UNCjigga

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Man I swear I've seen the exact same thread in another forum!

Deja Vu!

But yeah, as I've said before [in another forum], they should all convert to Jainism! This whole thing about Christian proselytizers and missionaries in Third World countries doesn't sit well with me.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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I have no sympathy for these Christian missionaries that are abused in third world countries. It really pisses me off, would u want somebody coming into your neighborhood trying to preach a new religion to you, a religion that is so radically different from your own? They deserve everything they get, it's simply stupid. Religion should be a choice, it shouldn't be forced on people. If you need to rely on the amount of followers you have for the basis of your religion, then there definitely is a problem.
 

Riprorin

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<< If you need to rely on the amount of followers you have for the basis of your religion, then there definitely is a problem. >>



The word "gospel" means good news. If you believe that you have good news that will help others, don't you think that it would be selfish not to share it?

Anyway, this wasn't the topic of the thread.
 

PistachioByAzul

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This is only an issue of fiegned concern because it involves people giving up their sinful worship of false Gods and coming to Christ. Throughout your posts on this matter there have been implications of the Hindu religion being responsible. That in itself is not an unreasonable notion, other than the fact that there is an obvious bias that keeps rearing it's head.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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i don't wanna turn this thread into a religious war but could we please refrain from debasing other religions. "False gods", i can say the same thing about Christ so please be careful because you might be offending people without even knowing it.
 

PistachioByAzul

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That was me being cynical", paraphrasing the tone of these posts. Christ is easily just as false, I don't have a stake in either.
 

SpecialEd

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if you truly believe in the Hindu faith and caste system... you pay your dues this life... and in the next, you will be rewarded by an increase your Caste level. Souls live more than one life.



don't go pushing your belief's on other communities just because you don't agree.
 

Mani

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Hinduism is very open-ended. Riprorin, it's clear you have more of an agenda than you try to project with your feigned naievete/ objectivity. The caste system in India is being treated as racism in America, something the country is trying to overcome but some people won't let go of. The prime minister himself is of a "lower" caste, so things are changing.
 

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isn't this the second thread that riporin has brought this up? last time it was far more inflamatory and he got flamed down:p

whats up with this guy.