The Clinton wars

[sMiLeYz]

This is a interesting article on our president for 8 years, from a perspective of his senior advisor.



Just to recap, during Clinton's 8 years he presided over a time of unprecedented prosperity, economic growth, and the largest Budget surplus in our Nation's history. Only thing republicans remember him by is getting a hummer from Monica and denying it.

Heres a except from the article:

Clinton was a man who came from nowhere; overcame all obstacles by virtue of his own intelligence, skill, and attractiveness; and then, having achieved his goal, gave in to his weakness. It was a mundane weakness, a most ordinary weakness. He did not give in to it for money, power, status, or fame. He did not do it out of mean-spiritedness, resentment, or cruelty. What he did was not a crime. It was part of the same personality that got him to the White House, with his need for affirmation, attention, and affection. He was a character with large appetites and desires, and a surplus of human nature, not unlike Henry Fielding's Tom Jones, the good-natured, life-loving figure who falls into follies of his own making as he tries to fend off the vicious connivances of others. The tragic aspect, the inexorable drama, was that this least unconscious president knew that what he had done was stupid. He understood that he had given in to his weakness. He had known that it was a mistake, but he made it anyway. It hurt his wife, Lewinsky, and himself. He knew, moreover, that this was not like the Kennedy era, when private lives had been kept private. He knew hateful pursuers were seeking to hurt him, and he knew he had the Jones case before him. Yet with this self-centered act he set himself up. And he knew it. Stunned by the situation, he did what most husbands would do: he tried to protect his wife, his daughter, and his own privacy. He acted as a man, not as a president. But the collision of roles could not be avoided.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/05/05/blumenthal1/index.html

 

[308nato]

 

[ElFenix]

actually adultery is a crime in quite a few states...

 

[Fencer128]

I can think of much worse things to be remembered for!

Andy

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
I can think of much worse things to be remembered for!

Andy

Pray recount them?

Has anyone taken time to read the article, it's not just about his affair.

 

[Dari]

I will admit that he had excellent ecoonmic policies. But his foreign policy and marital affairs were an utter joke. The former was the worst in American history.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Fencer128
I can think of much worse things to be remembered for!

Andy

Pray recount them?

Has anyone taken time to read the article, it's not just about his affair.

I was responding to the end of your first statement.

Only thing republicans remember him by is getting a hummer from Monica and denying it.

I'm saying if that's the worst you've got to contend with - you're probably going to do ok! I haven't read the article because it really doesn't interest me. I just thought the premise that this was what stuck in people's memories was mildly amusing!

I'd rather be remembered for that than for starting a war, or screwing an economy or anything else - regardless of where the blame lies.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[308nato]

No time to read it thanks. I already have given up 8+ years of my short life having to hear about that worthless turd.

I don't need to waste any more time.

Until his library opens anyway....I will be the first in line to find a nice quiet spot to piss on his floor.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

 

[mastertech01]

The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. Why shouldnt he be held accountable as anyone under the uniform code of military justice? If a 4 star General had conducted himself the way the president did, he would have been court martialed, tossed out of the military, and served jail time.

Executive priveledge goes a bit too far sometimes. Its a sham and a shame the commander in chief can conduct himself in a manner which would have brought shame and ruin on any other member of the armed forces.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. Why shouldnt he be held accountable as anyone under the uniform code of military justice? If a 4 star General had conducted himself the way the president did, he would have been court martialed, tossed out of the military, and served jail time.

Executive priveledge goes a bit too far sometimes. Its a sham and a shame the commander in chief can conduct himself in a manner which would have brought shame and ruin on any other member of the armed forces.

Ah bullocks. Hyporite Republicans like Bill Bennet made a big deal out of Clintons extra Marital affairs. It's not as if other Presidents (many who stood of Moral Pedestals) didn't pork their subordinates. Look at Eisenhower for instance. While Commander of the European he was stooping hisdpersonal assistant. Then there was Nixon, while he was President he was fscking the whole American Public!

 

[Fencer128]

The way this debate is going seems to boil down to a single question:

"If the personal life of the president has no bearing on his public role - is it anyones concern?"

Cheers,

Andy

 

[mastertech01]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: mastertech01
The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. Why shouldnt he be held accountable as anyone under the uniform code of military justice? If a 4 star General had conducted himself the way the president did, he would have been court martialed, tossed out of the military, and served jail time.

Executive priveledge goes a bit too far sometimes. Its a sham and a shame the commander in chief can conduct himself in a manner which would have brought shame and ruin on any other member of the armed forces.

Ah bullocks. Hyporite Republicans like Bill Bennet made a big deal out of Clintons extra Marital affairs. It's not as if other Presidents (many who stood of Moral Pedestals) didn't pork their subordinates. Look at Eisenhower for instance. While Commander of the European he was stooping hisdpersonal assistant. Then there was Nixon, while he was President he was fscking the whole American Public!

Im sure they would have met just as much criticism as Clinton had they been in office when these things were revealed and would have met with as much and likely MORE public retribution. However they were all DEAD before it came out.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

Are you going to shelter your kids from reality? There are 1000000000x worse things said and done on television and the radio. I've heard a lot of sexual terms used on this very message board. Didn't Reagan's daughter pose for playboy? Wasn't Reagan known to be a womanizer in his younger days in hollywood? Reagan is just as bad. He was that senile old grandpa that was always falling asleep and wasn't in control of himself. I know its political with most of you anyway. Just admit that you are Republican and don't play that on the fence crap.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

In all fairness, while Clinton is to blame for his inability to keep his pants on, the Republicans get the blame for making it a scandal. There is no reason this needed to be anything other than a footnote to the Clinton presidency. Instead, some Republican zealots hated Clinton so much that they blew $50 million of our money on a witchhunt that hurt the country and crippled the presidency.

Bush is damn lucky that the Democrats can't launch their own $50M investigation into the corporate scandals surrounding the Bush administration.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

In all fairness, while Clinton is to blame for his inability to keep his pants on, the Republicans get the blame for making it a scandal. There is no reason this needed to be anything other than a footnote to the Clinton presidency. Instead, some Republican zealots hated Clinton so much that they blew $50 million of our money on a witchhunt that hurt the country and crippled the presidency.

Bush is damn lucky that the Democrats can't launch their own $50M investigation into the corporate scandals surrounding the Bush administration.

As horrible as it is to say 9/11 saved Bush's ass. I think had it not happened and the corporate scandals had become an issue, there would have been deeper investigations. I say investigate Chaney now and wait till people loose interest in the "war on terrorism" to investigate Bush.

 

[Ornery]

"Clinton lied about getting head. Big deal..."

I'm getting sick of this BS too. Clinton lied about whipping his dick out in front of Paula Jones. Big deal? Only because he and his party made such a stink about women being harassed in and out of the workplace. He and his party pass all kinds of laws and bring lawsuits against employers and co-workers for so much as looking at a woman wrong, then he thinks he can just whip it out in front of anybody he wants with impunity. Hah! Strung up by his own petards... lied about getting head my ass! :|




"Clinton got a hummer or two, he denied it..."

Clinton did everything he could to save his sorry ass from facing justice in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Everything that happened to him because of that, serves him right. Maybe there is justice after all!





Clinton sexually harassed Jones, then figured he could get away with it. It was his party that pushed for these lame ass sexual harassment laws in the first place! That he got strung up by his own petards is what I'd call justice. He SO deserved it!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

Was Clinton the only one getting BJ's? Was he the one who brought up the subject and spent millions of $s to keep the subject in the public eye?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Clinton lied about getting head. Big deal..."

I'm getting sick of this BS too. Clinton lied about whipping his dick out in front of Paula Jones. Big deal? Only because he and his party made such a stink about women being harassed in and out of the workplace. He and his party pass all kinds of laws and bring lawsuits against employers and co-workers for so much as looking at a woman wrong, then he thinks he can just whip it out in front of anybody he wants with impunity. Hah! Strung up by his own petards... lied about getting head my ass! :|




"Clinton got a hummer or two, he denied it..."

Clinton did everything he could to save his sorry ass from facing justice in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Everything that happened to him because of that, serves him right. Maybe there is justice after all!





Clinton sexually harassed Jones, then figured he could get away with it. It was his party that pushed for these lame ass sexual harassment laws in the first place! That he got strung up by his own petards is what I'd call justice. He SO deserved it!

If you actually READ into the Paula Jones case, you can tell several times she changed her story and exagerated made even more exagerated claims each time. When her lawyers told her she was getting to greedy and to settle the case, she fired her lawyers and hired new ones because she wanted more money. The Judge eventually threw out the case.

This and the whitewater case had Ken Starr completely frustrated, (yes he was doing independent investigation waaaaay before Monica) if he cant dig any dirt on him... what makes you think you can?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

Was Clinton the only one getting BJ's? Was he the one who brought up the subject and spent millions of $s to keep the subject in the public eye?

I'm trying to resist doing this but, I can't.

Clinton did lie under oath about his sexual proclivities with one Monica Lewinski. You can talk about private life all day long but it comes down to the issue that Bill Clinton, a man with a law degree, law license, and President of the United States, lied under oath.

To me, he'll always be remembered for saying:
"Well, that depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is."

 

[LunarRay]

If it were not for the blood thirsty conservative right trying to find something with which to create a storm cloud under which the politics of the right may manifest itself in power none of the issues Clinton lost fame over would amount to but a blip in an otherwise superb eight year run.

I only regret that the right wing ultras knew only too well the weakness of man... and the fury of the woman scorned... Knight to Queens bishop four... and check!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

Was Clinton the only one getting BJ's? Was he the one who brought up the subject and spent millions of $s to keep the subject in the public eye?

I'm trying to resist doing this but, I can't.

Clinton did lie under oath about his sexual proclivities with one Monica Lewinski. You can talk about private life all day long but it comes down to the issue that Bill Clinton, a man with a law degree, law license, and President of the United States, lied under oath.

To me, he'll always be remembered for saying:
"Well, that depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is."

Lied about a BJ, big whoop. He should have never been asked such a stupid question under Oath in the first place.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I don't think he was a BAD president. He had some policies that kept things where they should be. Sadly I am glad I didn't have kids when he was in office. I wouldn't want to have to try and explain to a 6-year-old what a bj is because they heard on tv that our president was in trouble for getting one. I grew up during the Reagan years and it was nice to be able to think of the president as your grandpa or neighbor when you are a kid, not a skirt-chaser who's arguing what the word "is" is. That stuff is just irresponsible, not in my opinion impeachable. Perjury yes, chasing interns, no. He could have been far greater if he had exercised a little restraint in his personal life. I had some serious issues with how he left office as well, Mark Rich, White House vandalism.

Was Clinton the only one getting BJ's? Was he the one who brought up the subject and spent millions of $s to keep the subject in the public eye?

I'm trying to resist doing this but, I can't.

Clinton did lie under oath about his sexual proclivities with one Monica Lewinski. You can talk about private life all day long but it comes down to the issue that Bill Clinton, a man with a law degree, law license, and President of the United States, lied under oath.

To me, he'll always be remembered for saying:
"Well, that depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is."

Lied about a BJ, big whoop. He should have never been asked such a stupid question under Oath in the first place.

Hey, remember when Cheney absolutely refused to hand over tapes of his meetings with Energy executives even when the court ordered it? That's a impeachable offense, lying about sex is not.

 

[jjones]

Personally, I couldn't care less about whether or not Clinton was getting his knob slobbed by some intern or taking it from behind from the chief of staff. It's all just politics and as bright as he was, he acted like a stupid politician: self-centered, self-indulgent, and ultimately, self-destructive. The thing that kills me the most about his presidency for 8 years: he had the easiest presidency, considering he rode an economic bubble almost throughout his term, of any president in the 20th century and he basically did nothing with it except please his egotistic self.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. Why shouldnt he be held accountable as anyone under the uniform code of military justice? If a 4 star General had conducted himself the way the president did, he would have been court martialed, tossed out of the military, and served jail time.

Executive priveledge goes a bit too far sometimes. Its a sham and a shame the commander in chief can conduct himself in a manner which would have brought shame and ruin on any other member of the armed forces.

Commander and chief is a civilian role for a reason, military laws dont apply. Common sense please