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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

If bleeding heart means I care about my fellow man, yea, tag me with that rueful, vindictive, oh so horrible name. Please.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
<--Registered republican, voting Democrat in the upcoming Presidential election.

*shrug*

Did you see the group of Democrats for McCain at the RNC? Why does it matter? Theres also a group of Republicans for Obama. Who cares? This isnt exclusive to this election.

Who cares?
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

The funny part is that you guys don't seem to realize you're already paying for other people's health care, just in the least efficient way imaginable.
:thumbsup:
Those without go to the ER, fill it up with clinic-worthy maladies and make those who have true emergencies wait.
The hospitals can't collect, and your rates go up. Instead of an $80 clinic visit we get stuck with a $500 ER bill.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

The funny part is that you guys don't seem to realize you're already paying for other people's health care, just in the least efficient way imaginable.
:thumbsup:
Those without go to the ER, fill it up with clinic-worthy maladies and make those who have true emergencies wait.
The hospitals can't collect, and your rates go up. Instead of an $80 clinic visit we get stuck with a $500 ER bill.

:thumbsup: This is only the beginning. The feds have a history of using the most money possible.

Government inefficiency in action.
 

shira

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Before I get into addressing the skillful digressions typical of a response from Moonbeam, I just want to say that I agree with Moonbeam that the Bush presidency is by far the worst in history. And anyone thinking that McCaine is the better choice than Obama is misguided.

But on to the wacky world of Moonbeam.

(For the record, I probably won't be able to stomach more than two or three back and forths here. Moonbeam twists and turns and pretends you've made statements you haven't. Eventually, 95% of a response to him is simply correcting all the inaccurate garbage about your previous posts [and your alleged motives] that he dumps on the discussion. He's already begun that here. Read. Think. Be amazed. Be incredulous.)


Originally posted by: Moonbeam
shira: First, Moonbeam, you have made "that assumption." For you to have fully comprehended the question, you had to have made the assumption at least temporarily.

M: It wasn't an assumption. Knowledge not in evidence was presented as fact.

Nonsense. No fact was stated by me. A hypothetical was raised: "If there were . . ." Followed by a question. The assumptions and facts are all in your own mind. Please improve your reading skills.

s: One cannot understand another fully without putting oneself in the other's shoes, socks, underpants, slacks, undershirt, shirt, and hat. And once the assumption was made, why backtrack and avoid speculating?

M: Who understood another, much less fully?. I understood nothing and that's why I see the assumptions just as I see the ones you make here.

S: You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, in the same sentence. Your own words are "I see the assumptions just as I see the ones you make here." You are claiming knowledge about what my assumptions are. There's no humility there, no doubt. You didn't say, "I believe that what I'm seeing is . . ." No, you're speaking with self-satisfied certainty.

Stop playing these games. This "I know nothing" nonsense is just a strategy you frequently play. In fact, you're filled with ego and "know" (however mistakenly) you know plenty, despite your disclaimers.

s: Second, in that post of yours I quoted, you DID compare your personal not-knowing-anything with that of another. So unless you've unlearned even more stuff since that previous post, your "how are you going to compare" sounds inconsistent.

M: I pointed out that somebody knew stuff I no longer make assumptions about because he made the assumptions. I don't believe what his assumptions tell him are truths. I stated a fact that he takes on faith more than me. The notion that I am comparing is what you brought to the table because it's what you are doing, engaging in a battle of wits to be sure you don't come out on the short end. You compare because you're competitive because you have an internal war. You have needs that act on you unconsciously.

You're dissembling again. The issue of "comparison" related to a response your made to Nebor, not your response to me. To quote again, that earlier post by you was, "I'm smarter than you because . . ." Last I heard, "smarter" is a comparative. There's no "notion" that you're comparing. You ARE comparing.

You're so wrapped up in defending yourself, you can't see your own actions. Alternatively you do see your own actions, but you won't acknowledge them.

s: But what do I know, right?

M: I don't know but what do you feel? That's the important question to me.

I don't believe that the feelings of others are "the important question" to you. If they were, then your posts would be saturated with sympathetic inquiries about others feelings, and your statements would relate to feelings, not your actual innumerable statements about knowledge and ego, and calling other people "fools" in numerous ways. A sampling of your posts in just this thread:

This is an example of a fool who is a fool because he can grapple with psychological questions.

Here we have another brain dead lupi.

Another ideological purist absolutist dreamer. He is waiting to vote for the Messiah. He will wait forever while the world itself rots from his inaction.

Some fools will sit on a turd that's being flushed down the toilet because, theoretically, it's the safest place in the bowl. You are stuffed full of your opinions and can't think through fundamentals.

Are you the fool who would chose hell if you can carry a gun? You just might be.

The classic fool. Stay the course, sail straight on into further disaster.

That's because you are the kind of fool that goes for the superficial.

You must be another of the feeble minded who post here and who hasn't comprehended yet that everything is opinion but that one opinion may be presented with sound evidence backing it up and another, such as your own here just blown out your ass.

Yeah. Feelings are the important thing to you. I think the only real importance you give to feelings is as a gambit to sidetrack a discussion.

s: And the exciting answer to that last question is - even less than you. Ooooooooooooo

M: Help yourself to your imaginary win. What you need to get over on me I don't need to get over on you.

No, no. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Clearly, you know much, much less than I.

 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: shira
Before I get into addressing the skillful digressions typical of a response from Moonbeam, <snip>

It's basically pointless trying to have reasoned dialouge with Moonie, shira, because Moonie needs to construct - in his own mind - an environment he can deal with. And because he's mentally weak, this environment is one in which he believes himself to be mentally enlightened.

While minorly annoying on this message board, we should probably just read his/her posts, laugh (well, that happens anyways), and ignore them like we do most trolls. I've formed the opinion that it's better to let this individual exist as a Patton in his own mind, reasonably safely, than to attempt actual enlightenment for him/her. What if we break through, and he/she has a mind meltdown? (as I'm sure has happened at least once already)

Do we owe it to society to humor a Moonie type as we would a dysfunctional person? I know it's like rewarding a misbehaving kid with no discipline instead of tanning that @ss to teach a lesson, but the alternative here could be him abruptly coming into reality and wigging out, possibly to the harm of others.

We ought to tread carefully here, for others than Moonie sake....

Chuck
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

The funny part is that you guys don't seem to realize you're already paying for other people's health care, just in the least efficient way imaginable.

Oh, I realize it very much. I used to work in a hospital. But as bad as it is now, don't pretend the gov't can't make it worse.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

If bleeding heart means I care about my fellow man, yea, tag me with that rueful, vindictive, oh so horrible name. Please.

But how much do you care? Enough to, say, get a medical degree and open a free clinic for the poor, or only enough to play the sanctimonious twit on an internet forum?
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

The funny part is that you guys don't seem to realize you're already paying for other people's health care, just in the least efficient way imaginable.
:thumbsup:
Those without go to the ER, fill it up with clinic-worthy maladies and make those who have true emergencies wait.
The hospitals can't collect, and your rates go up. Instead of an $80 clinic visit we get stuck with a $500 ER bill.

:thumbsup: This is only the beginning. The feds have a history of using the most money possible.

Government inefficiency in action.

So you worked in a hospital, you know it is broken. What do you propose to do about it?
Wait and see what the private sector can do?
Been there, done that for many years now.
 
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

If bleeding heart means I care about my fellow man, yea, tag me with that rueful, vindictive, oh so horrible name. Please.

But how much do you care? Enough to, say, get a medical degree and open a free clinic for the poor, or only enough to play the sanctimonious twit on an internet forum?


Sanctimonius twit? Clever, I care enough to happily give a part of my paycheck to the govt to support universal healthcare. That's how much I care. Enough to take money out of my wallet and give it to someone who is going without healthcare.
Are you such a malevolent prick that you'd shut the door on a poor man or woman or child needing health care?
 

Michael

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Was your motivation for this thread out of fear, desperation, curiosity, exploration, or experientialism?

The motivation is trolling. Moontroll enjoys trolling, hence why I have been using that name for years. He used to just like to get high and ramble, but now he just trolls.

Michael
 

JS80

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I keep reading the title of this thread "Worst disaster in modern history"..... are you guys making up all this angst inside your head? People back in 1920s lived in shacks and barely had money to eat. "Poor" people today have cell phones, dollar menus, and plasma TVs. What is wrong with you people?
 

shira

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Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: shira
Before I get into addressing the skillful digressions typical of a response from Moonbeam, <snip>

It's basically pointless trying to have reasoned dialouge with Moonie, shira, because Moonie needs to construct - in his own mind - an environment he can deal with. And because he's mentally weak, this environment is one in which he believes himself to be mentally enlightened.

While minorly annoying on this message board, we should probably just read his/her posts, laugh (well, that happens anyways), and ignore them like we do most trolls. I've formed the opinion that it's better to let this individual exist as a Patton in his own mind, reasonably safely, than to attempt actual enlightenment for him/her. What if we break through, and he/she has a mind meltdown? (as I'm sure has happened at least once already)

Do we owe it to society to humor a Moonie type as we would a dysfunctional person? I know it's like rewarding a misbehaving kid with no discipline instead of tanning that @ss to teach a lesson, but the alternative here could be him abruptly coming into reality and wigging out, possibly to the harm of others.

We ought to tread carefully here, for others than Moonie sake....

Chuck

Good points.

What we do have to grant to Moonie is that he's often damned entertaining. And I find myself agreeing with many of his basic points about values and politics. But then he digresses into all that stuff about ego and knowing and unknowing and unlearning and bruised-children and Nasrudin (= Sufism), and any discussion becomes a slip-and-slide to nowhere.

Edit: I do like Moonie, and wish him no harm.
 

Moonbeam

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The important thing to a fool is that he make a fool of someone else rather than see his own foolishness and the target he picks is always one who, for whatever reason, suggests he is a fool.

A fool remains a fool because he is trapped in an endless loop of self denial and self defense. He denies he's a fool and spends his time in self defense.

Once we were totally open and totally without defense, do you remember, and we found out what pain is what it means to be told you are worthless. Do you remember?

We closed up shop and died and became the same fools who hurt us. Do you remember?

Now we place our big sore toes in the aisle and scream when we're stepped on.

And whatever division of this psychotic world we landed in that's were we're determined to stay. A fool is focused on the norm, on anything but himself.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: JS80
I keep reading the title of this thread "Worst disaster in modern history"..... are you guys making up all this angst inside your head? People back in 1920s lived in shacks and barely had money to eat. "Poor" people today have cell phones, dollar menus, and plasma TVs. What is wrong with you people?

The BDS'ers need that as they can't face the fact that things will be absolutely no different when/if Obama gets elected. To them, not having a 100% Euro approval rating, not letting any other country do 100% what it wants, regardless of how that affects US interests, is "disaster". I've asked Moonie like 3x in this thread alone, just what is this "disaster" he keeps referring to. He's not provided any specifics now 3x.

If they can create disaster from normalcy, then they can rationalize the Obamessiah they see in their minds...it makes them feel good.

Personally I think this "disaster" talk and Palin bashing is the nervousness they feel that Obama/Biden might lose, and this is how it comes out. But hey, I'm just a simple guy, what do I know...

Chuck
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: shira
Before I get into addressing the skillful digressions typical of a response from Moonbeam, <snip>

It's basically pointless trying to have reasoned dialouge with Moonie, shira, because Moonie needs to construct - in his own mind - an environment he can deal with. And because he's mentally weak, this environment is one in which he believes himself to be mentally enlightened.

While minorly annoying on this message board, we should probably just read his/her posts, laugh (well, that happens anyways), and ignore them like we do most trolls. I've formed the opinion that it's better to let this individual exist as a Patton in his own mind, reasonably safely, than to attempt actual enlightenment for him/her. What if we break through, and he/she has a mind meltdown? (as I'm sure has happened at least once already)

Do we owe it to society to humor a Moonie type as we would a dysfunctional person? I know it's like rewarding a misbehaving kid with no discipline instead of tanning that @ss to teach a lesson, but the alternative here could be him abruptly coming into reality and wigging out, possibly to the harm of others.

We ought to tread carefully here, for others than Moonie sake....

Chuck

Good points.

What we do have to grant to Moonie is that he's often damned entertaining. And I find myself agreeing with many of his basic points about values and politics. But then he digresses into all that stuff about ego and knowing and unknowing and unlearning and bruised-children and Nasrudin (= Sufism), and any discussion becomes a slip-and-slide to nowhere.

Edit: I do like Moonie, and wish him no harm.

Agreed...not sure I agree with him (when he happens to make something of a point), but, as his latest post above indicated, he is entertaining. Like, when a little kid is telling a story about something he heard adults talking about, but he's just sorting making it up as he goes along...it's just so funny because he thinks he knows what he's talking about (he just sounds so sure), but, in reality land, he's just so so wrong. That type of entertaining.

Thanks again Moonie!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Chuck
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: shira
Before I get into addressing the skillful digressions typical of a response from Moonbeam, <snip>

It's basically pointless trying to have reasoned dialouge with Moonie, shira, because Moonie needs to construct - in his own mind - an environment he can deal with. And because he's mentally weak, this environment is one in which he believes himself to be mentally enlightened.

While minorly annoying on this message board, we should probably just read his/her posts, laugh (well, that happens anyways), and ignore them like we do most trolls. I've formed the opinion that it's better to let this individual exist as a Patton in his own mind, reasonably safely, than to attempt actual enlightenment for him/her. What if we break through, and he/she has a mind meltdown? (as I'm sure has happened at least once already)

Do we owe it to society to humor a Moonie type as we would a dysfunctional person? I know it's like rewarding a misbehaving kid with no discipline instead of tanning that @ss to teach a lesson, but the alternative here could be him abruptly coming into reality and wigging out, possibly to the harm of others.

We ought to tread carefully here, for others than Moonie sake....

Chuck

Good points.

What we do have to grant to Moonie is that he's often damned entertaining. And I find myself agreeing with many of his basic points about values and politics. But then he digresses into all that stuff about ego and knowing and unknowing and unlearning and bruised-children and Nasrudin (= Sufism), and any discussion becomes a slip-and-slide to nowhere.

Edit: I do like Moonie, and wish him no harm.

I can't believe you would say those were good points. Hehe. Well they do reveal a tremendous amount about the speaker. You are aware, I should hope, that we see in others what we feel is true about ourselves, no?
 

Moonbeam

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Agreed...not sure I agree with him (when he happens to make something of a point), but, as his latest post above indicated, he is entertaining. Like, when a little kid is telling a story about something he heard adults talking about, but he's just sorting making it up as he goes along...it's just so funny because he thinks he knows what he's talking about (he just sounds so sure), but, in reality land, he's just so so wrong. That type of entertaining.

Thanks again Moonie!!!!!!

You are welcome. But it's really rather easy. I show you a mirror and what you see you think is me. I know I am you but you don' want to be me.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What factors do you believe exist in the human psyche that cause people to persist in delusions that are obviously dangerous and self destructive? Why do folk who claim to believe in personal responsibility wind up voting for a party that violates the constitution whenever it gets in their way? Why do they vote for a party that pretends to be fiscally conservative and rings up huge debt? What is it about the conservatives that causes them to cling to what they say is good but brings nothing but evil. Are we as a country better off now as a country than we were before Bush took office? Are you not McInsane and do you not see?

How long will you vote to destroy your country before you see a need to change?

Who here, after having been brainwashed all their lives on the dangers of liberals, and living through the catastrophe of the last eight years, can begin to question that something may be wrong?

Most people are suicidal morons who just want to hasten their own demise to stop the mental anguish, physical pain, and suffering and related stuff they can't grasp, like politics.

So they over eat, over smoke, over drink, over drug, and most importantly, under think. Of course, this all takes place at a subconscious level, making their actions seem incomprehensible to a mentally unaffected observer without this mental malaise.

So, therefore, the suicidal morons will naturally vote and support whatever party or group they subconsciously identify with as being able to destroy them the quickest.

Empty consumer happiness isn't all it's cracked up to be, you see.

 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
And it is quite easy to vote for McCain when you think Obama would hurt the country pretty badly and very quickly if he gets his way.

Forgive me for assuming you think so, just because you said it, but what is it that you expect Obama to do that will hurt the country so quickly and badly?

first off, if he did an immediate day 1 withdraw of Iraq, I believe that would be terrible.

Second, his universal healthcare for all.

Third, his windfall profit tax is very scary. Sure it is oil today, but if he wants to overtax them because they have a profit margin of over 8%, what about small business that have the same profit margin? When do they get taxes just as bad?

He is against a free capital market and that is what our country is founded on.

1. You couldn't withdraw in one day, impossible.

2. With the ridiculous amount spent blowing stuff up in other countries for little or no taxpayer gain, we could have given everyone in this country universal health care 10x over, at least, just based on what was spent in the last 8 years. In the last 50 years spent on pointless wars, we could have given everyone universal health care at least 100x.

3. If the tax or economic plan is ridiculous, it will never get past congress, so why worry about that? He is just throwing stuff out there to see if it will float or not with the voters, that's all.

And our country no longer has anything resembling a "free capital market" for big business, based on all the recent handouts and bailouts of the banking and mortgage industries. So you don't have to worry about that, either. If you can piss away billions of dollars and then run to the Feds for a bailout while your CEO takes in millions of dollars in stock options and bonuses, that is clearly NOT a FREE CAPITAL MARKET. The taxpayer is footing the bill, and then gets screwed in the process through a convoluted process of monetary devaluation. The taxpayers will NEVER recoup those enormous and escalating losses.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: andy04
What choice do ppl have, vote Oblahblah... that would be a even bigger disaster. BHO has no clue about how to fix energy economy or anything. No credible ideas from him yet just bhal bhal blah blah. Looking at his past i wont be surprised if he comes up with some socialist ideas to fix things and the lobbyists in w'ton will tear him apart and we will be in even deeper shit. Wife hates america, himslef has very strong association with white terrorists...

The biggest disaster for the country and the economy would be McSame. The Republican party is now pretty much universally hated worldwide. There is no chance at anything resembling world diplomacy or fair trade agreements or sound monetary or fiscal policy while they are in power governing this country. The last 8 years should be proof enough for any Republican party fool to clearly see.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
As oppose to?

I'd be a fool to vote for either, so I'm not voting. Yes, I can be a fool too for not voting, but it's a fools game.

And fools are rigging and running the game.
 

SillyOReilly

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LOL@u believing in the hope and change mantra.

You must realize that most americans don't need hope nor need change in their everyday lives, and someone you look to as the messiah isn't going to bring you jack shit.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: SillyOReilly
LOL@u believing in the hope and change mantra.

You must realize that most americans don't need hope nor need change in their everyday lives, and someone you look to as the messiah isn't going to bring you jack shit.

Ya, they need Money to pay the Bills.