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alchemize

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Op starts with telling us anyone who disagrees with him is a fool. Then calls everyone who disagrees with him on anything a fool, just in his asinine attempt at psychobabble.

A partisan hack with a twist, how exciting. You're like the democrat Tucker Carlson. Wow, you wear a bowtie :roll:

Some fools intentionally misrepresent data so as to bypass any need for thought. This allows them to throw up on ideas that threaten them without conscience. I did not start by telling everyone who disagrees with me that he or she is a fool, I gave a definition of what a fool is and showed how people comply. Fools have difficulty processing nuance and of course are offended when they face situations that reveal who they are. They then proceed to try to slime you, having their foolish feelings get hurt, with some demeaning remark.

When you tell a fool he is a fool he becomes offended because of course he knows he's a fool and is doing everything in his power to deny it. Scratch that thin veneer and the anger rushes out.
Point proven (again).

 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Op starts with telling us anyone who disagrees with him is a fool. Then calls everyone who disagrees with him on anything a fool, just in his asinine attempt at psychobabble.

A partisan hack with a twist, how exciting. You're like the democrat Tucker Carlson. Wow, you wear a bowtie :roll:

Some fools intentionally misrepresent data so as to bypass any need for thought. This allows them to throw up on ideas that threaten them without conscience. I did not start by telling everyone who disagrees with me that he or she is a fool, I gave a definition of what a fool is and showed how people comply. Fools have difficulty processing nuance and of course are offended when they face situations that reveal who they are. They then proceed to try to slime you, having their foolish feelings get hurt, with some demeaning remark.

When you tell a fool he is a fool he becomes offended because of course he knows he's a fool and is doing everything in his power to deny it. Scratch that thin veneer and the anger rushes out.

Unfortunately you fail to realize that you're voting for the exact same thing we keep getting every election. You keep voting for the lesser evil and act surprised when the government does evil.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you tell a fool he is a fool he becomes offended because of course he knows he's a fool and is doing everything in his power to deny it. Scratch that thin veneer and the anger rushes out.



Any reasonable person would find offense at someone holding up a finger and screaming "you are a fool", regardless of whether or not the target really is a fool. One would see a similar result using any derogatory insult.

I find myself deeply troubled to be reading this from you. I used to respect your creativity, but sadly this OP and the quote above are merely juvenile taunts which should have been left out on the playground during recess.

I am going to vote for McCain, not because I am a fool, but because I am a sadist. Nothing will bring me more amusement than observing the agony you will suffer at Obama's defeat. You deserve nothing less............
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you tell a fool he is a fool he becomes offended because of course he knows he's a fool and is doing everything in his power to deny it. Scratch that thin veneer and the anger rushes out.



Any reasonable person would find offense at someone holding up a finger and screaming "you are a fool", regardless of whether or not the target really is a fool. One would see a similar result using any derogatory insult.

I find myself deeply troubled to be reading this from you. I used to respect your creativity, but sadly this OP and the quote above are merely juvenile taunts which should have been left out on the playground during recess.

I am going to vote for McCain, not because I am a fool, but because I am a sadist. Nothing will bring me more amusement than observing the agony you will suffer at Obama's defeat. You deserve nothing less............

Your notion of reasonable is the product of what you have been taught is reasonable. I unlearned what you were taught. When you tell people who hate themselves that they are fools they hear it as screaming and the same with anything they regard as derogatory. Fool is a sound in the air with absolutely no meaning at all. You grab my arrow from the sky and stab yourself in the heart. You aren't objective because you are not put down free. You carry your feelings of inferiority within you and get upset at me when I make you aware they are there.

You are a fool of your own making.

I am like fly paper for fools because I simply reflect back what people are. If you want to see your hate, all you need is a mirror. People go crazy around me because they don't like what they see. But you will never be anything if you don't first see who you are.

You're an honest person, according to your self proclamation, now let's see how honest you are. Can you look at truth or are also so small you need to attack. Remember, as a parent, you will murder your child's psyche when he or she mirrors who you are and the always do because they want, God forgive them, to be just like us.

 

Moonbeam

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Bober: Unfortunately you fail to realize that you're voting for the exact same thing we keep getting every election. You keep voting for the lesser evil and act surprised when the government does evil.

M: Where do you see I'm surprised? I vote for the lesser evil because it will do less evil. I don't see how any thinking person could say the lesser evil isn't evil or how anybody could conclude that they would.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: EndGame
The classic definition of a fool is somebody whom starts a thread like this!

No the foolishness is in the fact that nothing here is of any use to you because you aren't at a level where you can remove your ego enough to be able to think.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: alchemize
Op starts with telling us anyone who disagrees with him is a fool. Then calls everyone who disagrees with him on anything a fool, just in his asinine attempt at psychobabble.

A partisan hack with a twist, how exciting. You're like the democrat Tucker Carlson. Wow, you wear a bowtie :roll:

Some fools intentionally misrepresent data so as to bypass any need for thought. This allows them to throw up on ideas that threaten them without conscience. I did not start by telling everyone who disagrees with me that he or she is a fool, I gave a definition of what a fool is and showed how people comply. Fools have difficulty processing nuance and of course are offended when they face situations that reveal who they are. They then proceed to try to slime you, having their foolish feelings get hurt, with some demeaning remark.

When you tell a fool he is a fool he becomes offended because of course he knows he's a fool and is doing everything in his power to deny it. Scratch that thin veneer and the anger rushes out.
Point proven (again).

When a fool gets a notion in his head there is no getting rid of it. It's the hallmark of a fool, one could say.
 

Moonbeam

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"I'll give you an example.

Some friends of my wife; he has a college degree in public broadcasting. She has a degree, I don't recall in what. Both educated people.

He's a manager at a radio station. She's stay at home mom. They have a baby, they are doing pretty well, not getting rich but making enough that she can be a stay-at-home mom.

They have another child 5 years later. This child has a severe heart defect. Their lives change dramatically. Thankfully he has a job with insurance. Oops, budget cuts, he's laid off. Pay COBRA for a while, but that runs out. Now they have huge medical bills, no job. Lose their house. He can't find a job.

Those are the ones I'm talking about."

Excellent!
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Your notion of reasonable is the product of what you have been taught is reasonable. I unlearned what you were taught.

You can unlearn how to wipe your ass Moonie, but that won't leave you with much more than an itch and an odor.....
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: MoonbeamI'm smarter than you because I unlearned more than you'll ever know.
If there were someone on ATPN who's unlearned more than even you've unlearned, how would you ever know it? Presumably, you'd be unable to recognize their unlearnedness, since they'd be operating at a level you'd be unable to comprehend.

I never took you for a Zen Master, shira.

I saw his question as a theoretical speculation arising out of a potential conviction of merit to an assumption that is something he knows. Since I don't make that assumption I didn't see a reason to speculate. When you don't know anything how are you going to compare one's personal not knowing anything with another's?
First, Moonbeam, you have made "that assumption." For you to have fully comprehended the question, you had to have made the assumption at least temporarily. One cannot understand another fully without putting oneself in the other's shoes, socks, underpants, slacks, undershirt, shirt, and hat. And once the assumption was made, why backtrack and avoid speculating?

Second, in that post of yours I quoted, you DID compare your personal not-knowing-anything with that of another. So unless you've unlearned even more stuff since that previous post, your "how are you going to compare" sounds inconsistent.

But what do I know, right?

And the exciting answer to that last question is - even less than you. Ooooooooooooo
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Your notion of reasonable is the product of what you have been taught is reasonable. I unlearned what you were taught.

You can unlearn how to wipe your ass Moonie, but that won't leave you with much more than an itch and an odor.....

No No Corn, it's not that he has an itch and an odor, it's the masses of us that doesn't know what clean smells like. Buwhahahaha!

I sorta like Moonie though. I see him as what could have been me had I roasted myself on drugs after not being able to handle real life, and then going through 'make myself feel better joy' once a shrink spent innumerable hours with me so I could function in a basic manner again.

So so glad I just experimented instead of actually used...it's like a validation that missing out on something sucked in the short run, but was oh so worth it in the long run.

Thanks Moonie!!!!

Chuck
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yes, I am sad to see the U.S. go by the way of the Roman Empire.

You say that as if the Democrats are anti-war. They aren't.

Please convince the republicans of this, because they still think Democrats are weak on the military or some such bullshit.

Clinton crippled the military during his 8 years.

Have to pay for socialist programs somehow.

and it was socialist, well actually COMMUNIST programs that got us out of the Great Depression.

no, I fucking hate communism, but to argue that the New Deal was anything but blatant soviet communism would be naive. Likewise, to argue that we didn't need it at the time would be ludicrous. And not that we're currently that bad off, I only respond b/c of the thinly-veiled misuse of the word "socialism" as if you want to pull peoples' strings into thinking that socialism is anything like soviet communism.

It startles me that the right pulls this McCarthy BS even today, 60 years after the fact. Do you guys have any new ideas or talking points to criticize the opposition? You don't like something, so you call it "socialized _____?"

pathetic.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: andy04
What choice do ppl have, vote Oblahblah... that would be a even bigger disaster. BHO has no clue about how to fix energy economy or anything. No credible ideas from him yet just bhal bhal blah blah. Looking at his past i wont be surprised if he comes up with some socialist ideas to fix things and the lobbyists in w'ton will tear him apart and we will be in even deeper shit. Wife hates america, himslef has very strong association with white terrorists...

^ This is the new republican base. If republicans want to lose every election from now and into the foreseeable future, they must disassociate themselves with this type. People are fed up with stupid Americans. Please stop dirtying the gene pool.

The "base" of both parties is comprised of stupid people who are easily manipulated.

too true.
 

hellokeith

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Moonbeam,

Was your motivation for this thread out of fear, desperation, curiosity, exploration, or experientialism?
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: EndGame
The classic definition of a fool is somebody whom starts a thread like this!

No the foolishness is in the fact that nothing here is of any use to you because you aren't at a level where you can remove your ego enough to be able to think.

And opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but some are better at being one!
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Your notion of reasonable is the product of what you have been taught is reasonable. I unlearned what you were taught.

You can unlearn how to wipe your ass Moonie, but that won't leave you with much more than an itch and an odor.....

Thank you Corn. I gave you something of what I've learned in life and you've given me what you've learned.
 

Moonbeam

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shira: First, Moonbeam, you have made "that assumption." For you to have fully comprehended the question, you had to have made the assumption at least temporarily.

M: It wasn't an assumption. Knowledge not in evidence was presented as fact.

s: One cannot understand another fully without putting oneself in the other's shoes, socks, underpants, slacks, undershirt, shirt, and hat. And once the assumption was made, why backtrack and avoid speculating?

M: Who understood another, much less fully?. I understood nothing and that's why I see the assumptions just as I see the ones you make here.

s: Second, in that post of yours I quoted, you DID compare your personal not-knowing-anything with that of another. So unless you've unlearned even more stuff since that previous post, your "how are you going to compare" sounds inconsistent.

M: I pointed out that somebody knew stuff I no longer make assumptions about because he made the assumptions. I don't believe what his assumptions tell him are truths. I stated a fact that he takes on faith more than me. The notion that I am comparing is what you brought to the table because it's what you are doing, engaging in a battle of wits to be sure you don't come out on the short end. You compare because you're competitive because you have an internal war. You have needs that act on you unconsciously.

s: But what do I know, right?

M: I don't know but what do you feel? That's the important question to me.

s: And the exciting answer to that last question is - even less than you. Ooooooooooooo

M: Help yourself to your imaginary win. What you need to get over on me I don't need to get over on you.
 

Moonbeam

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No No Corn, it's not that he has an itch and an odor, it's the masses of us that doesn't know what clean smells like. Buwhahahaha!

I sorta like Moonie though. I see him as what could have been me had I roasted myself on drugs after not being able to handle real life, and then going through 'make myself feel better joy' once a shrink spent innumerable hours with me so I could function in a basic manner again.

So so glad I just experimented instead of actually used...it's like a validation that missing out on something sucked in the short run, but was oh so worth it in the long run.

Thanks Moonie!!!!

Chuck[/quote]

You are most welcome, but I don't think my thanks will hold up to that which you have given yourself as, how do they put it, oh yes, a self-congratulatory boob.

A fool and his assumptions do not soon part company.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: hellokeith
Moonbeam,

Was your motivation for this thread out of fear, desperation, curiosity, exploration, or experientialism?

Because you ask a question does not mean you are prepared to comprehend an answer and this is all the more true being filled with assumptions like the list of reasons you suggest.

One needs to ask a question seriously and in humility otherwise your question is just a mental defense or an expression of some feeling you want to express.

None the less I'm pleased you could ask since experimentalism tells me you're open to explanations potentially beyond your ken and that, in my opinion, is a good think.

I began with the premise something like this:

1. Bush has been a disaster. 2. McCain is McSame. 3. A vote for McCain is a vote for disaster. 4. Only a fool votes for disaster.

Then I asked the question, 'What causes McCain voters to willingly be such fools?'.

Then, as I knew from experience would happen, the fools rushed in..... and gave us a chance to examine how they lack a capacity to reason, being guided instead by passion and feelings they don't understand.

A fool is a person with a need to protect his ego that is greater than doing what's good for that ego. The world is dying from denial of what we feel.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: EndGame
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: EndGame
The classic definition of a fool is somebody whom starts a thread like this!

No the foolishness is in the fact that nothing here is of any use to you because you aren't at a level where you can remove your ego enough to be able to think.

And opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, but some are better at being one!

I defer to your superior knowledge and admit you doubtlessly know what you're talking about.
 
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Hillary was the one for mandatory UHC, not Obama. Besides, what's so bad about everyone having healthcare? I believe Obama's plan is just about providing for those who are currently uncovered, not forcing everyone onto the same government plan. What? you say you don't want to pay for people who need government healthcare? Tough shit, thats what society is for.. to provide for everyone.

What? You say you want to STEAL my money to pay for something YOU want and I'll NEVER get to use? Tough shit, I'll put a fucking bullet in you just like any other thief.

NOW THAT'S A HEAPIN' HELPIN' OF COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM. You go girl!

Oh joy - another bleeding heart willing to be generous with other people's money.

The funny part is that you guys don't seem to realize you're already paying for other people's health care, just in the least efficient way imaginable.