The Christian Wrong is waging wars on Muslims, not the other way around.

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With all of the Muslims being blown up in the middle east, all the hell so many people are raising over the mosque, and a President who wants to annihilate the entire Middle Eastern Population except for the Israelis, I'm beginning to think they've already had it worse than the Jews

I'm not an anti-semite, but damn, occupying these poor peoples' lands for the past half a century and the Federal Government creating all these damn ground zeroes in the Middle East seems like it may have killed more people than the Holocaust. 500k Iraqi children killed at the hands of the U.N and George HW Bush for no good reason already got them 1/12 of the way to the Holocaust.

Are the Muslims going to have it twice as bad for the rest of history or what?

The Federal Government started this stuff, and it needs to quit invading other lands and needs to quit killing all of these people especially with its own citizens' money, prosperity, and safety. It's been pissing me off for years.
 

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What designer drug are you using today? Obama wants to kill everyone but the Israelis?

Dude, you don't even know what this is about. Do you think Ajax was about Islam? Heh, right.
 
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With all of the Muslims being blown up in the middle east, all the hell so many people are raising over the mosque, and a President who wants to annihilate the entire Middle Eastern Population except for the Israelis, I'm beginning to think they've already had it worse than the Jews

I'm not an anti-semite, but damn, occupying these poor peoples' lands for the past half a century and the Federal Government creating all these damn ground zeroes in the Middle East seems like it may have killed more people than the Holocaust. 500k Iraqi children killed at the hands of the U.N and George HW Bush for no good reason already got them 1/12 of the way to the Holocaust.

Are the Muslims going to have it twice as bad for the rest of history or what?

The Federal Government started this stuff, and it needs to quit invading other lands and needs to quit killing all of these people especially with its own citizens' money, prosperity, and safety. It's been pissing me off for years.

In this post you exemplify your biggest problem in a way that i hope even you can see.

There is no wrong or right, there is just us and them, find your common enemy and demonise them until you win the peoples trust, worked for Bush, works for the Tea Party and it worked for Hitler too.

Personally, actions speak louder than ideology for me, i will never take a mans word for anything when his actions are the opposite which explains why no one trusts the US anymore.
 

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So, your idea is that if we leave them alone they will stop oppressing women, stop being terrorists and stop willingly trying to impose Sharia law on anyone who does not comply?
 

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In this post you exemplify your biggest problem in a way that i hope even you can see.

There is no wrong or right, there is just us and them, find your common enemy and demonise them until you win the peoples trust, worked for Bush, works for the Tea Party and it worked for Hitler too.

Personally, actions speak louder than ideology for me, i will never take a mans word for anything when his actions are the opposite which explains why no one trusts the US anymore.


Worked for Churchill, Stalin, Obama and the Dems too. It's a game every power broker plays.

The problem with the OP is that he has no clue why these things happen. That would require more than a cursory examination of history and political action over the last century. It's better to state something in ignorance than understand. The latter is too hard for some.
 

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So, your idea is that if we leave them alone they will stop oppressing women, stop being terrorists and stop willingly trying to impose Sharia law on anyone who does not comply?

No, but that's what they mean by tolerance. You must accept them doing those things or be labeled an evil racist bigot.
 

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So, your idea is that if we leave them alone they will stop oppressing women, stop being terrorists and stop willingly trying to impose Sharia law on anyone who does not comply?

Not sure that's his idea, but if it was he'd be onto something.
 

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So, your idea is that if we leave them alone they will stop oppressing women, stop being terrorists and stop willingly trying to impose Sharia law on anyone who does not comply?


You realize that most of the above can be traced to a few actions by the West? It's the Law of Ill Considered Action.
 

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What designer drug are you using today? Obama wants to kill everyone but the Israelis?

Dude, you don't even know what this is about. Do you think Ajax was about Islam? Heh, right.
Well, he's planning to reoccupy Kuwait more, and he's invading Afghanistans and killing civilians there by the masses. The last time I checked, they were muslims.

The fact that he does that and continues to support Israel rather than grow some spine to tell them we don't worry about other nations' business, seems to indicate that he does want to kill all the Muslims.



So, your idea is that if we leave them alone they will stop oppressing women, stop being terrorists and stop willingly trying to impose Sharia law on anyone who does not comply?
They won't oppress women outside the middle east and they sure as hell won't be terrorists if we remain neutral and don't occupy their lands. Besides, if the women didn't like it they would leave wouldn't they?
 

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Well, he's planning to reoccupy Kuwait more, and he's invading Afghanistans and killing civilians there by the masses. The last time I checked, they were muslims.

Well let's look at this. Afghanistan was already invaded. Do you know why that happened? I wonder.

Civilians are being killed, but that's not the prime target. That is a very unfortunate consequence of the situation, but if the goal was to kill civilians, why aren't they all dead? I mean the US could lay waste to most of the population in short order. Hasn't happened has it? No, the intended target is the Taliban. Now the Taliban are in the region and they happen to be Muslim. They also have the tendency to torture and intentionally murder civilians who aren't a threat, but to instill fear so they can operate unopposed. Now let's play your game. The Taliban are Muslims, so Muslims are slaughtering and torturing people with intent. So Muslims are terrorists. You support terrorists and want to see the Afghanistan population enslaved by them.

Your line of reasoning isn't very good. Your best bet is to drop out of this thread, take your lumps and think next time.
 

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Well, he's planning to reoccupy Kuwait more, and he's invading Afghanistans and killing civilians there by the masses. The last time I checked, they were muslims.

The fact that he does that and continues to support Israel rather than grow some spine to tell them we don't worry about other nations' business, seems to indicate that he does want to kill all the Muslims.




They won't oppress women outside the middle east and they sure as hell won't be terrorists if we remain neutral and don't occupy their lands. Besides, if the women didn't like it they would leave wouldn't they?

I hear women have rights and stuff there. Like they can leave whenever they want and won't be killed. amirite?

And what makes you think that you are going to take an entire upbringing from the invention of the qua ran and, when they move to a new locale, they will just stop?
 

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Well here's what a lot of American on the Right think. I was emailed this by my Mother, an avowed members of Rascal Nation, staunch Republican, Fundie Christian and avid viewer of Faux Noise.


Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem ..

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in J erusalem ..

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

J ews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey ..

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the J ewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the J ewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and J erusalem .

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.


Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very important.
 

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You realize that most of the above can be traced to a few actions by the West? It's the Law of Ill Considered Action.

I heard they lived in peace and harmony for thousands of years and the US showed up and they all started fighting.
 

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Oh about Obama and Kuwait. Considering that the latter was invaded by Saddam and we saved their ass, they were only too glad to provide support to eliminate him.

"Occupation" implies coercion. It's rather hard to take by force what has been freely given.

So there's this little place called Iran. Remember that? It's run by clerics, not elected officials. They've also been a pain is the rectum.

So why are they still there? We have the capability to cripple them without a boot on the ground.

Why hasn't that happened? Because we're afraid of Imadinnerjacket? Right.

Then there's the Mosque near the WTC. Obama came out against that didn't he? Shucks, no. So is he against Muslims or not?


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Worked for Churchill, Stalin, Obama and the Dems too. It's a game every power broker plays.

The problem with the OP is that he has no clue why these things happen. That would require more than a cursory examination of history and political action over the last century. It's better to state something in ignorance than understand. The latter is too hard for some.

It would have made sense if Churchill, Stalin or Obama would be agressors in a war or even against a common trait within the population.

If you had read what i wrote you'd know that, actually, i think you did know that but for some reason you just pretend that you are stupid... It's fucking boring.

Wait.. no it doesn't work with Chruchill at all, nor does it work with Obama at all, what the fuck are you talking about?
 
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If you had read what i wrote you'd know that, actually, i think you did know that but for some reason you just pretend that you are stupid... It's fucking boring.

Actually I assumed you would understand that I was amplifying on what you were saying since the OP singled out one group as being the reason for what's going on in Afghanistan. You did read the title thread?

John, to put it in terms you understand, STFU and think before you shoot off your mouth and acting that anyone who doesn't quote your chapter and verse is either stupid or your enemy.

In a battle of wits you have disarmed yourself.
 
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Let's not pretend that the US, UK, France and the Netherlands didn't fuck the region as much as we possibly could.

Ok?
 

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No, but that's what they mean by tolerance. You must accept them doing those things or be labeled an evil racist bigot.

Nope, it took me years of reading your posts to decide you are just a spineless evil racist bigot
 
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Actually I assumed you would understand that I was amplifying on what you were saying since the OP singled out one group as being the reason for what's going on in Afghanistan. You did read the title thread?

John, to put it in terms you understand, STFU and think before you shoot off your mouth and acting that anyone who doesn't quote your chapter and verse is either stupid or your enemy.

In a battle of wits you have disarmed yourself.

Oh, the beautiful being comes alive, with all his portrayed ignorance in which he compares the likes of defenders and great leaders like Churchill to Hitler without taking as much as a FUCKING SECOND to read what i did write.

Common enemy presented as a way to get the people to rally around a singe problem, Hitler, GW and and the Muslims, the tea party and brown people, deny it all you want you fucked up twat, it's the way it is and NO, you picked three leaders for which this doesn't apply at all.

May i suggest you shut the fuck up until you can understand a VERY simple point such as this one?
 

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Let's not pretend that the US, UK, France and the Netherlands didn't fuck the region as much as we possibly could.

Ok?


No shit, but the OP is clueless. I'm addressing his red herring. All this stems from the region being a main source of the lifeblood of modern civilization. Most of what we see now stems back to securing British Petroleum's assets, which didn't give a shit about religion. We install dictators or remove leaders (usually) for pragmatic reasons. We act for strategic purposes to secure resources and extend political and military influence, just as every other dominant nation in the history of the world has. To point at "religion" is to dumb as to be beyond credible. If people are this ignorant of how the world works no wonder we're in deep shit all the time.
 

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Oh, the beautiful being comes alive, with all his portrayed ignorance in which he compares the likes of defenders and great leaders like Churchill to Hitler without taking as much as a FUCKING SECOND to read what i did write.

Common enemy presented as a way to get the people to rally around a singe problem, Hitler, GW and and the Muslims, the tea party and brown people, deny it all you want you fucked up twat, it's the way it is and NO, you picked three leaders for which this doesn't apply at all.

May i suggest you shut the fuck up until you can understand a VERY simple point such as this one?

You don't really do what you say you do, do you? How can someone in you position not know about that "Great Leader" Churchill screwed Iran with his protection of BP and working with the US to overthrow a secular and democratically elected leader. He was just as evil as Bush was in his part. This whole friggin mess can be laid right at his feet.

Now I'm done arguing with your stupid ass logic. You think Tony Blair got people involved because God called him to battle.


BTW, you are easily manipulated. I hope you know that.