The Catholic Church won't give Joe Biden communion because he supports abortion rights, yet more unmarked graves found in Canada.

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HomerJS

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That's an absurd generality and you MUST know it.
Peach out. This is going to be another bash Catholics/Christians shit show thread - enjoy.
That corruption occurred from local parishes all the way up the the Vatican so I will amend by saying the Catholic church but the rest is pretty accurate.
 

desy

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What the fuck?
For the period I don't have a problem with what they did, I don't judge history by a modern lens, at the time you had slavery in the US, women couldn't vote, imperial colonialism, and Custer's last stand actively trying to kill with true genocide, you know paying for scalps
Shipping them off to get an education for the period was pretty progressive. I don't condone it I understand what they thought they were trying to.
 
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trenchfoot

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IMO, the atrocity of the Catholic Church is mainly that when the government asked if they would help extinguish a culture, the Church was an enthusiastic participant and wasn‘t the least bit shy to beat children, withhold food from children, and all round treat them cruel. Then, it was a perfect setup for sexual abuse too which they did nothing to mitigate.


In many untold cases, the clergy and the gov't they ran their culturing operations out of were, in their eyes, dealing with subhuman primitives not worthy of regard and respect given to real civilized humans. The heathen needed to be assimilated and pacified the better to exploit them for profit, and what better way to do that than turn those wolves into sheep by giving them a false hope that the clergy and gov't could provide for them that proverbial stairway to heaven?
 
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Fenixgoon

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That's an absurd generality and you MUST know it.
Peach out. This is going to be another bash Catholics/Christians shit show thread - enjoy.
As someone who grew up in the church, the two things that seemed to upset the church (as a whole) the most were sex/porn and abortion.

If any of the pastors spoke about social justice and inequality, it was very much not memorable.
 
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nickqt

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I wonder how many pedophile Catholic Priests will be withholding Communion.
 
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VashHT

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Did you even read the whole post?

Not exactly. I’m a Catholic, and grievously offended by the church’s slow and tortuous reforms. I’m also sick and tired of the fact that so few are actually concerned with the sickening crisis Of child abuse occurring across the nation. Let's just harp on the Catholics and whitewash the rest. The level or stupidity/hypocrisy is stunning.
See when you simultaneously say you condemn their actions and whine people are being too mean about it then you don't really sound too sincere. Maybe if the church took this shit more seriously (and it didn't keep happening) people wouldn't bash them for it.
 
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rommelrommel

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I think the Church is mainly scared of reparations.

I do understand that we should place actions in their historical context, but by today's standards this was obviously wrong. People are still alive (and in some cases not really that old) who went to these schools. Those people have received apologies and reparations if I understand correctly. However, parents that never saw their child again got nothing. Sometimes, not even a notification. Or, in at least some cases they were lied to and told the child "ran away."
 
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Denly

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So far, there are no “mass graves” if by mass graves you mean a single grave where a bunch of bodies were put at one point in time.

Yes there were a "mass grave of 215 indigenous children found in Kamloops BC

Mass Grave

I want no fking apology, I want criminal investigation and throw whoever involving(from top to bottom) still alive in jail. Perfect time to split the Religious/Gov tie, perfect time to kill catholic school system and tax the f out of religious groups.

In case you haven't notice I am fking angry as a Canadian.
 

IronWing

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Can y'all get custom avatars? Desy and Denly are giving me cognitive whiplash. Thanks.
 
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rommelrommel

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Yes there were a "mass grave of 215 indigenous children found in Kamloops BC

Mass Grave

I want no fking apology, I want criminal investigation and throw whoever involving(from top to bottom) still alive in jail. Perfect time to split the Religious/Gov tie, perfect time to kill catholic school system and tax the f out of religious groups.

In case you haven't notice I am fking angry as a Canadian.

With respect, the Star using the term “mass grave” is misleading. Some media outlets have added that term to the original reports, which are of 215 bodies in unmarked grave sites. It is extremely unlikely 215 children were buried at once.
 

Denly

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With respect, the Star using the term “mass grave” is misleading. Some media outlets have added that term to the original reports, which are of 215 bodies in unmarked grave sites. It is extremely unlikely 215 children were buried at once.

Yes you're correct in technicality..... emotional/common sense what's the diff? Hundreds(tip of an iceberg) of children die in the same site within a relatively short time frame(50yrs - guessing here).
 

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If the church denies anyone from any activity they need to have their tax exempt status removed forever.

The Church already denies giving Communion to most Americans. Only Catholics can get it. Adult baptism is pretty hard to get too. Matrimony is denied to people who are already married. Divorce isn't really a thing in Catholicism. Holy orders can only be received by Catholic men.
 

rommelrommel

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Yes you're correct in technicality..... emotional/common sense what's the diff? Hundreds(tip of an iceberg) of children die in the same site within a relatively short time frame(50yrs - guessing here).

Well, the school was open from 1890 to 1969, and enrolment peaked in 50's at around 500. 80 years of several hundred kids, say 300 as an average, in the conditions of the BC frontier in 1890 and getting better but not great into 1950, would certainly naturally have deaths. Two or three deaths a year could plausibly be mostly due to the poor conditions. 215 childrens bodies in a mass grave implies that someone murdered every child in the school at some point, which would be a crime that's simply on another level.
 

desy

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A lot would have died of small pox Spanish flu and TB and no doubt other nefarious reasons too.
Shouldn't have been there in the first place.
 

Denly

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Well, the school was open from 1890 to 1969, and enrolment peaked in 50's at around 500. 80 years of several hundred kids, say 300 as an average, in the conditions of the BC frontier in 1890 and getting better but not great into 1950, would certainly naturally have deaths. Two or three deaths a year could plausibly be mostly due to the poor conditions. 215 childrens bodies in a mass grave implies that someone murdered every child in the school at some point, which would be a crime that's simply on another level.

Why unmark then, they don't have a name? Why sealing/destroy all the records? There are so many questions that need answers that's why I want and investigation. There are no better time to plow through all the barrier(religious) while the emotion are high.
 

sportage

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:rolleyes: Organized religion, as it were.:rolleyes:
And why should Joe Biden really care in the first place?
Joe Biden's mortality is between Joe and god, not some pedophile Catholic priest. I'm not at all big on "organized religion", and certainly on the "Catholic" organized religion. Organized religion has killed more people, harmed more people, hurt more people than satan could ever have hoped to. I just remember how the Catholic church helped enable Adolf Hitler, and helped justify Adolf Hitler, and helped cover for the atrocities of Adolf Hitler. Joe should just ignore what the Catholic church says, and better yet suggest a law forcing all churches and religions to pay their share in taxes. Make Pat Robertson to start paying his taxes and see how long old Pat stays on TV. Not long, I'd wager.
 
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For the period I don't have a problem with what they did, I don't judge history by a modern lens, at the time you had slavery in the US, women couldn't vote, imperial colonialism, and Custer's last stand actively trying to kill with true genocide, you know paying for scalps
Shipping them off to get an education for the period was pretty progressive. I don't condone it I understand what they thought they were trying to.

It really wasn't. It was by definition conservative by them trying to enforce their own conservative beliefs onto them. It was not education, it was explicit attempt to end a culture. Why you and rommel are so keen to go handwaive away the admitted behavior is silly. You really don't need to "well ackshuwally" that history had a LOT of shitty behavior, we're quite aware of that. But your "no big deal, there was worse shit happening" is straight bullshit. Kinda like, "well these aren't mass graves" because well it wasn't all at once so it doesn't count. Despite that just being how many they've uncovered so far at an individual school, while they're searching and finding more. And the behavior has continued (see the missing and murdered indigenous persons, including shit like "starlight tours" that you cannot just go "well that's history" like its behavior from eons ago).

The "mass graves" argument is the same as right wingers bitching about the term concentration camps and people going "well every country did bad stuff and had concentration camps" like people are idiots. We know, and every fucking instance of it should raise ire from people.

I think the Church is mainly scared of reparations.

I do understand that we should place actions in their historical context, but by today's standards this was obviously wrong. People are still alive (and in some cases not really that old) who went to these schools. Those people have received apologies and reparations if I understand correctly. However, parents that never saw their child again got nothing. Sometimes, not even a notification. Or, in at least some cases they were lied to and told the child "ran away."

I don't think its just that. They are concerned that their money and power will dry up. Frankly they should be concerned about being thrown in jail and having their cult broken up. But of course that won't happen. Despite nearly constant exposure of rampant corruption by it, they're still granted ridiculous leniency and even protection.

Ok, why is it so hard to just say that instead of handwaive away that its anything to be concerned about? Yes history is full of horrible fucked up shit, we don't need you to remind us. Its the same as right wingers trying to get people to accept that the slave owners also lost their humanity, and fundamentally shifts the issue. Plus, this behavior didn't fucking end despite a couple of you in this thread acting like its not a big deal because "historic context", except it is still a problem today even if its not quite as outright openly genocidal as it once was. Just like racism is still a fucking problem despite us having fought the Civil War, and then the Civil Rights Movement. That's why its important to make a BIG fuss about this shit.
 

rommelrommel

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It really wasn't. It was by definition conservative by them trying to enforce their own conservative beliefs onto them. It was not education, it was explicit attempt to end a culture. Why you and rommel are so keen to go handwaive away the admitted behavior is silly. You really don't need to "well ackshuwally" that history had a LOT of shitty behavior, we're quite aware of that. But your "no big deal, there was worse shit happening" is straight bullshit. Kinda like, "well these aren't mass graves" because well it wasn't all at once so it doesn't count. Despite that just being how many they've uncovered so far at an individual school, while they're searching and finding more. And the behavior has continued (see the missing and murdered indigenous persons, including shit like "starlight tours" that you cannot just go "well that's history" like its behavior from eons ago).

The "mass graves" argument is the same as right wingers bitching about the term concentration camps and people going "well every country did bad stuff and had concentration camps" like people are idiots. We know, and every fucking instance of it should raise ire from people.



I don't think its just that. They are concerned that their money and power will dry up. Frankly they should be concerned about being thrown in jail and having their cult broken up. But of course that won't happen. Despite nearly constant exposure of rampant corruption by it, they're still granted ridiculous leniency and even protection.

Ok, why is it so hard to just say that instead of handwaive away that its anything to be concerned about? Yes history is full of horrible fucked up shit, we don't need you to remind us. Its the same as right wingers trying to get people to accept that the slave owners also lost their humanity, and fundamentally shifts the issue. Plus, this behavior didn't fucking end despite a couple of you in this thread acting like its not a big deal because "historic context", except it is still a problem today even if its not quite as outright openly genocidal as it once was. Just like racism is still a fucking problem despite us having fought the Civil War, and then the Civil Rights Movement. That's why its important to make a BIG fuss about this shit.

Oh, fuck off. I'm not handwaving shit. As for the mass graves, would you not draw a distinction between children dying occasionally over time, sometimes due to neglect, and someone murdering the entire enrolment of this "school" in one go?
 

ch33zw1z

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As someone who grew up in the church, the two things that seemed to upset the church (as a whole) the most were sex/porn and abortion.

If any of the pastors spoke about social justice and inequality, it was very much not memorable.

Don't leave out rock music. That was from the devil.
 

ch33zw1z

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Religion, the og woke virtual signaling that just keeps on going. Seems these.guys are trying to pass the communion purity test