The Bush Obama difference on air strikes.

[Lemon law]

In what was called a precision air strike in Afghanistan, instead cost 13 civilian lives
to get three militants.

What is new, is that the American military actually dispatched a general to investigate,
and now the report is out, and for once, the American military actually admits the collateral damage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...NsawN1c2ZpbmRzMTNjaXY-

 

[BoberFett]

So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

 

[cwjerome]

This is some pretty bad rationalizing, even for you LL.

 

[StageLeft]

The family of those dead 13 will be delighted that the General has shown up. Makes it all better.

 

[extra]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

 

[kage69]

Wow. It took one whole post for Lemon to be grilled for an opinion he didn't make.


In other news, I'd have to agree, that does count as new, although I think it wise to wait and see until breaking out the H word. Shows the leadership is taking notice of fvckups and giving them more respect and attention than before, can't see how that's a bad thing.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
The family of those dead 13 will be delighted that the General has shown up. Makes it all better.

Yup. Much clearer shot.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

Yes.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

No one said that it was OK. It is better and less insulting to the Afghan people to admit and make some measure of amends for our mistakes than to try to cover them up, however.

Have the intelligence to realize the difference next time, unless you actually like appearing to be a complete dope.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

Had Bush done the exact same thing including the apology, Lemon Law would be jumping all over him.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled Democrat apologists sessions.

 

[kylebisme]

Had Bush sent out Generals to count the dead and issued apologies, he wouldn't have been able to continue so killing off civilians in the numbers that he did, if not by his own conscience then by that of the nation. Granted, that would piss off those of you in the "death to Arabs" crowd.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

Had Bush done the exact same thing including the apology, Lemon Law would be jumping all over him.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled Democrat apologists sessions.

you may want to look in the mirror to see the extreme political hackery. one major problem with GWB is that he could never admit to being wrong even when he was proven wrong, which was a factor in his tarnishing the image of the United States. one also can not learn from their mistakes if they never acknowledge them.

the responsibility and humanity displayed by our military in this story is nothing but positive and truly represents the American spirit. unfortunately your hate has blinded you to that reality.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Obama can just admit he was wrong every time he kills people then, and when his bailout fails, and when his mortgage bailout fails.. as long as he admits he is a complete failure then its OK for the libs.

Its amazing how you all rationalize the same behavior. Lemon Law - Do you have that tingling feeling running up your leg right now?

 

[kylebisme]

Why are you so interested in Lemon Law's leg?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

I never have, nor will I ever respect anyone who chooses to end the life of innocents to get at an enemy. I don't care if it's one paraplegic man caught in the "friendly fire", or 200 people, any loss of innocent life is unacceptable.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Why are you so interested in Lemon Law's leg?

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Because its my leg, that why.

But I certainly did not mean to imply that I thought it was OK as long as we admitted the collateral damage, but any that read the post saw that the US general managed to establish some credibility and dialog with the Afghans affected.

If nothing else, its far better than the total US denial before. That strategy of an ostrich, stick your head in the sand, and deny the truth. Nothing, and I repeat nothing is more effective in destroying credibility than denying the truth.

Credibility, honesty, and dialog must come before corrective action, I noted what amounts to a fact. I thank those few on this thread who understood, as for the rest, its nothing unusual that most remain clueless in terms of how badly we are losing the hearts and minds battles in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[Farang]

I am not going to give Obama all of the credit for this, and I think the people being so cynical about this and using as it an opportunity to say "lolchange" are fucktards. When it comes to war the U.S. has had a bad track record for our actions during the past few decades (not all the time but in more than enough high profile incidences and subsequent coverups) , and any American should look at this and be proud of their country:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/...9c464d990996384ef2caeb

:beer: to our service men and women

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: extra
the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

I wouldn't kill one innocent person to get Osama bin Laden.

Accidental innocent casualties happen; sincere efforts to minimize them are important.

 

[trenchfoot]

The neocon spin machine is strong in this thread. I guess this is how things are going to be for the next eight years - Obama, even if he turns things around before he leaves office, will always be ironically mentioned as the President who couldn't undo the totally FUBAR'ed freak'in mess that Bush and Cheney casually dropped in his lap as they merrily skipped-to-my-lou'd out the White House back door and away from their failed, darkly tainted and thoroughly corrupted tenures in office.

How on the one hand Obama's honesty can be castigated with such deceptive, misleadng and insidious remarks while on the other totally ignore the fact that their neocon Hero's left office leaving our nation in such a disgraceful mess and were in fact the masters of deceit and proven-beyond-doubt chronic liars is simply amazing.

Bush and Cheney are the quintessential demons that some of their supporters are attempting to label Obama as, when in fact Obama is the antithesis of those two clowns.

Proven Failed Ideology first and foremost eh? Sink the Ship of State into anarchy if need be to regain control? Wow. That is some scaaaarrry shit right there.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: manowar821
I never have, nor will I ever respect anyone who chooses to end the life of innocents to get at an enemy. I don't care if it's one paraplegic man caught in the "friendly fire", or 200 people, any loss of innocent life is unacceptable.

I hope you realize that what you seek -- war without loss of innocent lives -- is practically impossible. It's OK to use that goal as motivation to develop weapons that are less and less likely to hurt innocent bystanders, but the idea that war can be fought without any loss of innocent life is completely naive and ignorant.

A decision -- based primarily on the Laws of Land Warfare and the concept of proportionality -- must be made in every single engagement. Thankfully, we have better men and women than you who are capable of making such tough decisions and doing what must be done to win the fight...

 

[ccbadd]

You know, I may be wrong, but didn't Clinton have a chance to take out Bin Ladin and decide not to because of collateral damage? Just how many of the 9-11 families would have liked to have seen him take that risk and potentially same 3000 American civilians? Or we can just sit back and pray the Afghani will take the risks themselves and stand up to the oppressors and we will live in harmony!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: extra

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So killing innocents is OK as long as we say we're sorry?

Keep on hacking lefties!

Killing innocents is never okay. However, that does not mean the strike was not the right thing to do depending on what the target was, etc.

Honestly, say you were the president of the U.S....

You know where osama bin laden is. He's in an area where you can take him out with an air strike for sure, if you act now. However, 50 innocent people at a monastery will be killed for sure as well. Do you kill osama?

That's the kind of tough decision i'm glad I don't have to make.

The thing is, most 'liberals' or whatever, people who didn't like bush from accross the spectrum, were in agreement with him on kicking ass in afghanistan and wer in fact angry he wasted resources in iraq, so afghanistan isn't some partisan shit.

Had Bush done the exact same thing including the apology, Lemon Law would be jumping all over him.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled Democrat apologists sessions.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Why are you so interested in Lemon Law's leg?

LOL

 

[Generator]

Bush lost the war.

Because of crap like this and never admitting mistakes. I rather see a general hug a Arab, then denying one disaster after another. Republicans should sit back and watch and learn. How to govern, get some ideas for this country. Talk to people, talk to brown people even. Its ok, they may be brown but they will not bite.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Generator
Bush lost the war.

Because of crap like this and never admitting mistakes. I rather see a general hug a Arab, then denying one disaster after another. Republicans should sit back and watch and learn. How to govern, get some ideas for this country. Talk to people, talk to brown people even. Its ok, they may be brown but they will not bite.

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What does this have to do with anything again? Sending out someone to "investigate" does not mean that there are any fundamental differences between the strikes.

Sorry.