The branding of humans...

[Pastore]

Wow, this was brought up in another thread and I was just wondering what everyone else thought of it. It seems to me that if the government decided to do something like this when a human is born, then the world would never see any type of identity fraud. An example would be this, you go to a store and buy something, you then swipe your credit card. The cashier then checks your branding on your hand, a combination of 14 letters and or numbers on your hand to make sure your ID corresponds with the ID on the credit card.

My one question... Not whether it is morally correct for a baby to be branded or not, but would it solve some of the identity type of crimes?

One more thing, how many different combinations of numbers and letters would be available if 14 characters were used? I can't remember what to multiply... hehe

 

[Platypus]

Humans already walk around with a barcode on them, I wont be suprised what they do to children, nothing is scared in this messed up country.

 

[Pastore]

I understand that we already have fingerprints, but it would be super expensive to put some kind of fingerprint reader at all of the cash registers in America (and all of the other places like banks and stuff)... Not to mention the type of CPU power that would be needed to search a database of everyones fingerprint in it...

 

[Elledan]

It's, unfortunately, sensitive to fraud as well.

A similar way, but much more effective and secure, would be to implement a little chip in the 'brain' of a developing embryo. That way, after the child is born, no one can ever change the chip from the outside without killing the child and the child itself wouldn't even notice it.



<< One more thing, how many different combinations of numbers and letters would be available if 14 characters were used? I can't remember what to multiply... hehe >>


6.140942214*10^21

 

[Pastore]

How would we access information from this chip without connecting to it? If it would be wireless technology, what would stop someone from hacking your brain?

I got a number of 6,140,942,214,000,000,000,000 (not sure if thats right) I think that would hold us over for a while

 

[Elledan]

<< How would we access information from this chip without connecting to it? If it would be wireless technology, what would stop someone from hacking your brain? >>


When radiowaves reach this chip, it will send back the code stored in its memory. That's all. It's not a small PC or anything.

BTW this technology is already used for years with animals.

 

[Platypus]

Arent we already watched enough?

 

[Pastore]

Oh, I get it, so it would just have like a little ROM chip... Sounds cool to me

 

[Elledan]

<< Arent we already watched enough? >>


Nope. Too much freedom leads to chaos.

 

[etech]

We have access cards at work that just have to be held close to the scanner, no physical contact. I don't see why the card could not be implanted. This is not to say it is a good idea, just that it is possible to do.


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&quot;Using non-powered proximity cards, passive tokens are powered and activated by the proximity reader, which transmits a unique numeric code. The proximity reader emits a low-level fixed RF signal providing energy to the card. Held near the reader, a small coil inside the card absorbs the RF signal, which powers the card's microchip, activating the unique identification code. The entire process is completed in only microseconds. &quot;

 

[Pastore]

Elledan... Wouldn't it be more convenient to put this chip in another part of the body? Because if something ever (for one reason or another) went wrong with it, you would have to do major brain surgery wouldn't you?

Nevermind, cuz then it would be able to be removed while the person is still alive, and we can't have that... What if it does stop functioning? No soup for you? LOL

 

[Elledan]

<< Oh, I get it, so it would just have like a little ROM chip... Sounds cool to me >>


Yeah, it's a very simple and nifty system

Right now it requires the scanner to be very close to the chip (+/- 30 cm), since the signal the chip sends back isn't very powerful yet. You don't have to be afraid thus that someone will read your ID from a distance.

 

[Elledan]

<< What if it does stop functioning? No soup for you? LOL >>


The chance on failure of such a chip is extremely small since it has no moving parts. It only has a few small circuits and (especially since it's enveloped by another substance, usually some kind of plastic) will not be broken down and/or absorbed/damaged by the body it is placed in.

 

[brandc]

<< What if it does stop functioning? No soup for you? LOL >>

Perhaps a backup system such as a tattoo would be in order. There are some Jews that can tell you all about it.

 

[avatar08]

This is one of the most disgusting violations I have heard in awhile.

Why would you want to be tagged like a pet, it leads to too many options for privacy violation.




avatar08

 

[Wedesdo]

so you want the govt. to be able to track every single person around? not me...
but who's to say they aren't doing it already?

 

[Pastore]

It would not be for tracking purposes, but a way to reduce fraud, and other identity types of crimes...

 

[Elledan]

<< This is one of the most disgusting violations I have heard in awhile.

Why would you want to be tagged like a pet, it leads to too many options for privacy violation. >>


Yes, let everyone stay anonimous so that everything stays just as clear as it is now. Why should we change a system which has proven to work?

Okay, why do we tag animals? To keep track of a population/individual and monitor them if necessary. Without those tags, research would be impossible.

Order would have changed into chaos.

Less violence and more order means less freedom, since freedom is what causes disorder. Therefore control over the system is important.

 

[avatar08]

Elledan, I'm not for sure what country you reside in, but I'm an american and one of our most sacred ideas is that of freedom from oppression. Sure in theory this idea would be great, but the fast still remains that people gradually give up small freedoms one at a time until its too late. As I stated before technology can be abused quite easily even without the general populace knowing what is happening.

I don't believe that a populace should be controlled. Do you think that you should hand over authority to a 3rd party on what you should be doing, where to eat, what to buy, what church they are going to force you to. No I think people left alone can police themselves just fine. Whatever happened to trust and an honest handshake.



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[Elledan]

avatar08, no disrespect to Americans, but we all can see the result of that sacred idea of freedom. Not many countries experience so much violence as the US (violence, not wars).

Your fear for total control of the Government or any other party over the population is ungrounded. Once people start to realize this, they'll organize themselves and start to show resistance. This has happened already times in history (French revolution, the resistance of slaves (mostly in the US), the rebellion of 'black' people in the US and South-Africa against the people who wanted to control their whole life). A Government who would try this again would be stupid, foolish and won't exist very long.

A balance needs to be reached between freedom and control. Too much freedom leads to chaos, too much control leads to resistance and rebellion under the population.

Unfortunately, the average Human wants always more freedom, more freedom than they can handle, so we're all trapped in the same loop: from too much freedom we go to too much control, after which we immediately head for too much freedom, thereby never reaching this balance.

 

[Kilgor]

Elledan your way of thinking really scares me. :disgust:

 

[SpongeBob]

I'm sorry, but I will NEVER allow someone to implant a device in my body for identification purposes!

 

[Elledan]

<< Elledan your way of thinking really scares me. :disgust: >>


Why? Because it goes in against everything you were teached about freedom there in the US?

 

[syzygy]

elledan, theocracies are universally successful today, in so far as controlling crime. is that the kind of control over private affairs you seek ? do you think there is agoing to be a popular uprising in iran or saudi arabia soon ?

people there have suppressed personal rights. many like yourself, who live within the system, are partial to the restrictions. these theocracies and other absolutist regimes squash illiberal notions of personal liberties without surgically implanated chips, satellite tracking systems, or
other advanced snoop devices. they beleive as you do in the hobbesian view of human nature.

they don't engage in naive concerns of fairness and balance. they just impose with ever harsher measures.

 

[crazyfly]

Just like my dog thats braned, it wont ever work. It can be altered. Whethere the governemt likes it or not. Anything is possible. If its possible for them to braned people its possible for people to not like it and change it. They would be screwing themself over. The world would got to sheeit!

you would never know my dog was braned, he look deformed in that area of his leg. Stupid breeders.