The BORG invade ENTERPRISE

[Electrode]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

 

[Eli]

Yeah, I don't see the big deal, it sounds awesome to me.

 

[Looney]

i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.
we would never stand for that sort of progress (or lack thereof) in "real" life.
what gives? is there a posted speed limit?

They have!

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
The Vulcan chick is hot though.

And it sounds like next week's episode will involve her going through Pon Farr (in other words, getting uncontrollably horny).

plz no


anyway here's a question, in voyager's end game, voyager totally messed up everything by having the armor technolgoy and the transphasic torpedoes. i mean these are borg cube busters we are talking about here. wouldn't that make federation godlike to the romulans/klingons etc

 

[Maharaja]

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

Yeah I think Voyager made up that Transwarp barrier stuff. I remember 2 episodes in TNG where they went faster than Warp 10. One, when Barkley becomes superintelligent and intregates his brain with the Enterprise. I remember someone (Geordi or maybe it was Wesley) saying their speed towards the center of the galaxy was Warp 50. The other was in the final TNG when they're 20 years in the future, the refitted Enterprise goes a cool Warp 13 into the former neutral zone.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Maharaja

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

Yeah I think Voyager made up that Transwarp barrier stuff. I remember 2 episodes in TNG where they went faster than Warp 10. One, when Barkley becomes superintelligent and intregates his brain with the Enterprise. I remember someone (Geordi or maybe it was Wesley) saying their speed towards the center of the galaxy was Warp 50. The other was in the final TNG when they're 20 years in the future, the refitted Enterprise goes a cool Warp 13 into the former neutral zone.

Actually, according to warp theory, warp speed increases exponentially(or logorithmically). Warp 2 is 10x faster than warp 1, warp 3 is 100x faster than warp 1, warp 4 is 1000x faster than warp 1. Warp 1 = speed of light. Warp 10 is theoretically infinate speed because the number is so huge. It's entertainment, so of course they make stuff up that doesn't go along with stuff they did before, but if you are anal about stuff like that, then you should create your own perfect show. I hate whinners who think everything should be perfect. I thought it was a great episode, despite the fact that it does not follow the continuity of Startrek. Maybe there was a coverup, or something. Maybe because of this temporal cold war, Archer's ship will never exist because of some time traveler at the end of the 7th season. Who knows.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Rkonster

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Rick Berman and Branon Braga have said that Enterprise will not follow continuity and that they are using so they can create a whole new universe. I refuse to watch Enterprise for this reason. I am a Star Trek geek, and have been for a long time. I bet most of the people saying it's just a tv show or it's only star trek, would be up in arms if something like this happened to Star Wars.

I used to run a RPG that me and a friend made up for Star Trek in the TNG DS9 time. we made up a whole rule book and everything(yes i am a geek) and we have tons of notes and stories that we have done from the games that would put enterprise to shame. We ran our game and universe in a DS9 gritti-ness but with story telling and character types that would more resemble the original concept of Star Trek. If you follow the Show and the movies(original cast) you'd see that it is about the friendship between, Kirk, McCoy and Spock. All three of them would have given their lives(and did) for the other.
Now star trek is about the big bad space weavel and how can we technobable our way out of this.

As I said in the other thread, it was First Contact that destroyed continuity all together.

Actually it was a book called Star Trek:Federation.
In this book they establish that Cochrane is a human that developed warp drive, and used it to go to Alpha Centuri, he finds a civilization there and it all goes from here.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
The Vulcan chick is hot though.

And it sounds like next week's episode will involve her going through Pon Farr (in other words, getting uncontrollably horny).

plz no


anyway here's a question, in voyager's end game, voyager totally messed up everything by having the armor technolgoy and the transphasic torpedoes. i mean these are borg cube busters we are talking about here. wouldn't that make federation godlike to the romulans/klingons etc

WEll there is the Temporal Agents that probably took all that stuff away from them.

 

[Looney]

anyway here's a question, in voyager's end game, voyager totally messed up everything by having the armor technolgoy and the transphasic torpedoes. i mean these are borg cube busters we are talking about here. wouldn't that make federation godlike to the romulans/klingons etc

Or that could be why they have Enterprise and not another generation of Star Trek... they're too advance compared to everybody else, thanks to Voyager.

 

[Praetor]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Rkonster

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Rick Berman and Branon Braga have said that Enterprise will not follow continuity and that they are using so they can create a whole new universe. I refuse to watch Enterprise for this reason. I am a Star Trek geek, and have been for a long time. I bet most of the people saying it's just a tv show or it's only star trek, would be up in arms if something like this happened to Star Wars.

I used to run a RPG that me and a friend made up for Star Trek in the TNG DS9 time. we made up a whole rule book and everything(yes i am a geek) and we have tons of notes and stories that we have done from the games that would put enterprise to shame. We ran our game and universe in a DS9 gritti-ness but with story telling and character types that would more resemble the original concept of Star Trek. If you follow the Show and the movies(original cast) you'd see that it is about the friendship between, Kirk, McCoy and Spock. All three of them would have given their lives(and did) for the other.
Now star trek is about the big bad space weavel and how can we technobable our way out of this.

As I said in the other thread, it was First Contact that destroyed continuity all together.

Actually it was a book called Star Trek:Federation.
In this book they establish that Cochrane is a human that developed warp drive, and used it to go to Alpha Centuri, he finds a civilization there and it all goes from here.

You have to remember though, unlike the Star Wars universe, the books are not considered canon at atll. They can do whatever they feel like and it won't affect the tv show/movies.

 

[Fritzo]

Heck, I even think someone like Jonathan Frakes would be better at the writers table than Berman His last few directing jobs weren't half bad.

 

[0roo0roo]

BTW, that mind meld episode was neat and crap at the same time. The whole time they were trying to relate mindmelding Vulcans to gay people. Wonderful. I wish Star Trek won't get jammed up with propaganda

u mean like that original series eps where one race with half black skin and half white skin hates the other race with the same skin in opposite positions? lol treks always like that.

Mwahaha, I can't wait to see this episode. About overpowering the Borg drones, wouldn't they just use some outdated projectile weapons (i.e. a couple Glocks) to defeat them?

i remember picard killing a drone with a machine gun in the holodeck

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Maharaja

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

Yeah I think Voyager made up that Transwarp barrier stuff. I remember 2 episodes in TNG where they went faster than Warp 10. One, when Barkley becomes superintelligent and intregates his brain with the Enterprise. I remember someone (Geordi or maybe it was Wesley) saying their speed towards the center of the galaxy was Warp 50. The other was in the final TNG when they're 20 years in the future, the refitted Enterprise goes a cool Warp 13 into the former neutral zone.

Actually, according to warp theory, warp speed increases exponentially(or logorithmically). Warp 2 is 10x faster than warp 1, warp 3 is 100x faster than warp 1, warp 4 is 1000x faster than warp 1. Warp 1 = speed of light. Warp 10 is theoretically infinate speed because the number is so huge. It's entertainment, so of course they make stuff up that doesn't go along with stuff they did before, but if you are anal about stuff like that, then you should create your own perfect show. I hate whinners who think everything should be perfect. I thought it was a great episode, despite the fact that it does not follow the continuity of Startrek. Maybe there was a coverup, or something. Maybe because of this temporal cold war, Archer's ship will never exist because of some time traveler at the end of the 7th season. Who knows.

from what i remember the warp scale changed through the series. ain't that fun, u can't compare from certain series to series

 

[Zugzwang152]

IIRC, posted speed limits within the Federation are somewhere in the range of warp 4-5, because anything higher makes rips in subspace, which can cause some sort of mayhem later. Starfleet ships of course, are allowed to break the speed limit, at the discretion of the captain and/or orders from Command.

 

[Jugernot]

Never seen one single episode of Enterprise. Haven't been able to catch it on TV.

 

[TheCorm]

IIRC, posted speed limits within the Federation are somewhere in the range of warp 4-5, because anything higher makes rips in subspace, which can cause some sort of mayhem later. Starfleet ships of course, are allowed to break the speed limit, at the discretion of the captain and/or orders from Command.

The Intrepid class starships introduced moving angled warp nacelles and this supposedly minimized the effect on substance, cancelling the warp 5 limit...other ships had fixed angled warp nacelles or were modified in some way to lessen the effect.

He was also in a 900 page book by Peter David, "Q Squared."

Good Book!

Warp Speed

Warp 10 was supposed to be said to cause a ship to simultaneously occupy every point in space....how the hell this happens I don't know.

Yeah they say that warp factor has been change each series but I reckon besides the last of TNG where there was a warp 13....it hasn't really....consider this for top warp speeds:

Phoenix - Warp 1.0
Enterprise NX01 - Warp 5.0
Daedalus Class - Warp 6.0
Oberth Class - Warp 7.0
Constitution I Class - Warp 8.0
Constitution II Class - Warp 9.0
Excelsior Class (Transwarp Failure) - Warp 9.2
Galaxy Class - Warp 9.65
Sovereign Class - Warp 9.9
Intrepid Class - Warp 9.975

Now, the advances are smaller in decimal places considering the tame frames, but since warp has a sleadily increasing scale, the differences are actually bigger.

The Star Trek Enterprise D technical manual states -

Warp 1.0 = 1x Speed Of Light
Warp 2.0 = 10x Speed Of Light
Warp 3.0 = 39x Speed Of Light
Warp 4.0 = 1??x Speed Of Light

and so on....,

Corm (Geek) Out...

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Maharaja

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

Yeah I think Voyager made up that Transwarp barrier stuff. I remember 2 episodes in TNG where they went faster than Warp 10. One, when Barkley becomes superintelligent and intregates his brain with the Enterprise. I remember someone (Geordi or maybe it was Wesley) saying their speed towards the center of the galaxy was Warp 50. The other was in the final TNG when they're 20 years in the future, the refitted Enterprise goes a cool Warp 13 into the former neutral zone.

You have to consider that there are other methods of traveling besides creating subspace fields. Borg drone ships are able to create subspace tunnels between two points in space. In one episode, a shuttle pod was able to travel on top of some type of energy wave (which unfortunately became a runaway, too fast). When Barkley was infused with incredible knowledge, he created some type of subspace distortion. You have to remember that in Voyager, reaching the theoretical warp 10 boundary was based on the boundary for typical warp technology. Remember there was also the quantum slip-stream technology which was faster than Warp 10. I would have to say the episode where Voyager's shuttle pod was able to break warp10 was indeed pretty stupid, 1. because it was a shuttle pod and 2. because the plot was basically an "evolution" into a retarded amphibious being that the Doctor was able to conveniently reverse by simply bombarding their cells with radiation.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Electrode

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
i want to know why after umpteen years..nobody ever seems to go faster than warp 9.

It was stated in an episode of Voyager that Warp 10 is "transwarp" - infinite speed.

In the same series, there was an episode when a starfleet ship travelled at Warp 12. Of course, with all the time travel crap in that series no one can ever know what really happend...

The reason why in the future episode ("All Good Things...", series finaly to be precise) they traveled at warp 13 is really simple: In the TNG, Voyager and DS9 Warp 10 is infinite speed. It impossible to reach warp 10 (apart from that one Voyager episode). So the ships got getting closer to it, but never reaching. Enterprise D had top speed of bit over warp 9 if I remember correctly. Voyager could do Warp 9.975. Few years down the road top speeds would have been something like Warp 9.999994, with cruising-speed being something like warp 9.99994. The old warp-scale was getting too inconvenient, so they changed it sometime in the future. It could be that in "All Good Things..." the equivalent to old warp 10 (infinite speed) was warp 20 (for example), and they therefore had more room in the ward scale.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Actually, I'm watching the episode right now, and it's not half bad. Sure, it's not as cool as "Best of Both Worlds", but it's a pretty good introduction episode the Borg.

I'm just curious how they're going to tie up the episode, so it doesn't screw up the Star Trek timeline too much. Perhaps the Federation will decide the cover up the whole encounter, so future "generations" wouldn't have known about it?

I normally don't "chime" in on ST threads either but it wasn't that bad. It will be easy to answer later as to why there is no mention of Bacula's First encounter with the Borg. They did sort of say in a subtle way about putting off the enevitable for 200 Years which is how long the pulsed radio wave would take to reach the Delta Quadrant. So in a future episode or movie this 200 year delay would be reached or bridged. They do have to explain what happened Federation wise as to the hiding of this log file and encounter, they could just say to "Not Panic" the Alpha Quadrant inhabitants.

 

[guyver01]

Technically, the BORG never identified themselves as Borg. We never heard them say "We are the Borg" ....
I would chaulk up the incident as lost in the historical records. With the upcoming Earth/Romulan war looming, I would guess this gets filed in the "X-Files" or Strange Incidents.... here's how i bet it played out:
The Enterprise DID destroy these cybernetic humans, altho we think they might have sent a message, which will take 200 years to get to its destination, and another 200 years for a reply... so we're looking at 400 years down the line? Just file it under Strange.

 

[Haircut]

Originally posted by: TheCorm

The Star Trek Enterprise D technical manual states -

Warp 1.0 = 1x Speed Of Light
Warp 2.0 = 10x Speed Of Light
Warp 3.0 = 39x Speed Of Light
Warp 4.0 = 1??x Speed Of Light

and so on....,

Corm (Geek) Out...

In TNG the speed in multiples of the speed of light is the warp factor ^ (10/3)
The holds true until warp 9, when the exponent increases so that they can make warp 10 infinite speed

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: Haircut

Originally posted by: TheCorm

The Star Trek Enterprise D technical manual states -

Warp 1.0 = 1x Speed Of Light
Warp 2.0 = 10x Speed Of Light
Warp 3.0 = 39x Speed Of Light
Warp 4.0 = 1??x Speed Of Light

and so on....,

Corm (Geek) Out...

In TNG the speed in multiples of the speed of light is the warp factor ^ (10/3)
The holds true until warp 9, when the exponent increases so that they can make warp 10 infinite speed

The fact that you guys know this really frightens me.

:Q

 

[Haircut]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: Haircut

Originally posted by: TheCorm

The Star Trek Enterprise D technical manual states -

Warp 1.0 = 1x Speed Of Light
Warp 2.0 = 10x Speed Of Light
Warp 3.0 = 39x Speed Of Light
Warp 4.0 = 1??x Speed Of Light

and so on....,

Corm (Geek) Out...

In TNG the speed in multiples of the speed of light is the warp factor ^ (10/3)
The holds true until warp 9, when the exponent increases so that they can make warp 10 infinite speed

The fact that you guys know this really frightens me.

:Q

I have a math degree and am a Star Trek fan, therefore it's expected that I know the formula to calculate warp speed

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: guyver01
Technically, the BORG never identified themselves as Borg. We never heard them say "We are the Borg" ....
I would chaulk up the incident as lost in the historical records. With the upcoming Earth/Romulan war looming, I would guess this gets filed in the "X-Files" or Strange Incidents.... here's how i bet it played out:
The Enterprise DID destroy these cybernetic humans, altho we think they might have sent a message, which will take 200 years to get to its destination, and another 200 years for a reply... so we're looking at 400 years down the line? Just file it under Strange.

This is true. But also, the timeline is subtley shifted quite often in Star Trek. Even in the old series.

 

[TheCorm]

I have a math degree and am a Star Trek fan, therefore it's expected that I know the formula to calculate warp speed

I am a star trek fan and have a C in Maths....therefore....listen to him...LOL!

Jamie