"The Blue States are losers states"

[jammix]

The blue state depression
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/4/the-blue-state-depression/

Blue
"Im talking about an economic depression in the blue states that went for Hillary. Here is an amazing statistic. Of the 10 blue states that Hillary Clinton won by the largest percentage margins — California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Connecticut — every single one of them lost domestic migration (excluding immigration) over the last 10 years (2004-14). Nearly 2.75 million more Americans left California and New York than entered these states"

Red
"Now let’s look at the 10 states that had the largest percentage vote for Donald Trump. Everyone of them — Wyoming, West Virginia, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Dakota, and Idaho — was a net population gainer."

"The just-released 2016 edition of ALEC’s Rich States, Poor States, which I co-author with Reagan economist Arthur Laffer and economist Jonathan Williams shows a persistent trend of Americans moving from blue to red states. The best example is that from 2004-2014, the two biggest conservative states in terms of population size — Florida and Texas — gained almost one million new residents each. The two most populous liberal states — California and New York — saw an equal-sized exodus."


The irony....

"Even when it comes to income inequality blue states fare worse than red states. According to a 2016 report by the Economic Policy institute, three of the states with the largest gaps between rich and poor are … those progressive icons New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. Sure, Boston, Manhattan and Silicon Valley are booming as the rich prosper. But outside these areas are deep pockets of poverty and wage stagnation."

Yep. Blue states are getting poorer and red states richer. The only reason blue states are as wealthy as they are now is because once upon a time they operated like red states and were full of startups.
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...tes-are-getting-richer-and-blue-states-poorer

 

[bshole]

You do realize as liberals migrate from blue states to red states that they will eventually turn those states red don't you? You appear to be happy with the influx of liberals into conservative states but I do not understand why. Could you explain to me why you think it is a good thing?

 

[Painman]

Massachusetts got legal pot, so as long as Sessions stays off our back, Meh

 

[jammix]

You do realize as liberals migrate from blue states to red states that they will eventually turn those states red don't you? You appear to be happy with the influx of liberals into conservative states but I do not understand why. Could you explain to me why you think it is a good thing?

if they bringing their liberal ideas with them,its not.

 

[vi edit]

I left a blue state for a "red state". Although I'm in the absolutely bluest part of said red state. I left IL for Kentucky. Property taxes were through the roof in IL. It's the same issue with NJ. When it comes to property values, people are cashing out of NY and CA and heading to less expensive areas. That's how NC and TX are going "purple". Arizona for that matter is very close as well. Chicago, Manhattan, and Southern California are highly desirable areas to live and have property values/taxes to go along with it. Texas, Kentucky, Arizona all offer cheaper housing and a smaller overall tax burden. As property values catch up to the demand that will level out.

There are also other demographics at play. Some states just have older populations. Some of the NE (Maine) has an old population that is either dying or retiring out without replacing. West Virginia is in that boat as well.

IL in particular is a unique sort of shit show and one of the reasons I was happy to leave. The overall tax burden on that state was horrible and they still couldn't pay bills. That's not unique to blue states though. Take a look at Kansas and where they are with their budget.

 

[bshole]

if they bringing their liberal ideas with them,its not.

Then why are you jumping and celebrating like it is the best thing in the world that liberals are moving into Red states in your initial post? I really don't understand why you would act happy about it instead of pissed off.

 

[fskimospy]

Can you explain why the 'loser states' almost universally have to donate so much tax money to the 'winner states' then? EDIT: Wanted to note the irony in talking about 'running out of other people's money' when listing 'winner' states as those who are in fact taking other people's money.

Also, can you also explain why the 'loser states' almost all have higher per capita income, higher levels of education, better health outcomes, etc, etc? I mean that sure sounds like winning to me, but your mileage may vary.

 

[bshole]

I left a blue state for a "red state". Although I'm in the absolutely bluest part of said red state. I left IL for Kentucky. Property taxes were through the roof in IL. It's the same issue with NJ. When it comes to property values, people are cashing out of NY and CA and heading to less expensive areas. That's how NC and TX are going "purple". Arizona for that matter is very close as well. Chicago, Manhattan, and Southern California are highly desirable areas to live and have property values/taxes to go along with it. Texas, Kentucky, Arizona all offer cheaper housing and a smaller overall tax burden. As property values catch up to the demand that will level out.

There are also other demographics at play. Some states just have older populations. Some of the NE (Maine) has an old population that is either dying or retiring out without replacing. West Virginia is in that boat as well.

IL in particular is a unique sort of shit show and one of the reasons I was happy to leave. The overall tax burden on that state was horrible and they still couldn't pay bills. That's not unique to blue states though. Take a look at Kansas and where they are with their budget.

Yep we had our top engineer retire and move south. He can live comfortably and cheaply in the South and in the meantime vote Democrat.

 

[fskimospy]

I left a blue state for a "red state". Although I'm in the absolutely bluest part of said red state. I left IL for Kentucky. Property taxes were through the roof in IL. It's the same issue with NJ. When it comes to property values, people are cashing out of NY and CA and heading to less expensive areas. That's how NC and TX are going "purple". Arizona for that matter is very close as well. Chicago, Manhattan, and Southern California are highly desirable areas to live and have property values/taxes to go along with it. Texas, Kentucky, Arizona all offer cheaper housing and a smaller overall tax burden. As property values catch up to the demand that will level out.

There are also other demographics at play. Some states just have older populations. Some of the NE (Maine) has an old population that is either dying or retiring out without replacing. West Virginia is in that boat as well.

IL in particular is a unique sort of shit show and one of the reasons I was happy to leave. The overall tax burden on that state was horrible and they still couldn't pay bills. That's not unique to blue states though. Take a look at Kansas and where they are with their budget.

Exactly, I wouldn't be surprised that when I retire in 30 years or so that I will cash out my property in NYC and move somewhere cheaper. I'm not sure about the south or midwest though, I think I would probably rather live abroad if I couldn't live in either the northeast or the west coast. (maybe Colorado).

 

[MajinCry]

Ah, Thatcher. The same lady that sold out public infrastructure to private corporations.

And when it comes to money running out, it's not socialism's fault. That's due to the peddling of trickle-down economics propaganda. Tax the people, give some back, and the rest to the rich. The rich keep their money, whilst the people are taxed again.

Rinse and repeat, and suddenly there's no money for the populace, so socialism cannot function, as the rich were given all the welfare.

 

[vi edit]

There are a lot of other phenomenons going on here as well. Technology does allow us to be more transient. My kids used to be a 5 minute walk from their Grandparents. Now they are 400 miles away. At least we can still facetime/skype weekly and still interact. It's not the same as in person, but it's still better than a phone call. Same goes for people that travel for a living. Consulting is fairly big in my industry and somebody can live in a cheap state and make bank traveling. Which is another topic. Cheaper airfare (vs 30 years ago) makes it a lot easier to visit the ocean or "fun" places instead of living there all the time. That's all in addition to the aging boomers that are retiring and heading to warmer places and the overall declining birth rate in the US affecting some states harder than others.

But yes it is all the liberals fault.

 

[local]

Yeah seems like every other person I meet here that has moved from another state came from California. It seems most are moving to the north Dallas area now as that area gets built up, tower cranes as far as the eye can see. Austin for instance has been quite transformed by the influx as they have been voting the same way they were in California which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I would just rather not have to pay for all that crap they want and don't want to live in California Jr.

 

[agent00f]

You do realize as liberals migrate from blue states to red states that they will eventually turn those states red don't you? You appear to be happy with the influx of liberals into conservative states but I do not understand why. Could you explain to me why you think it is a good thing?

There's generally more going the other way in the form of brain drain from places that don't value thinking, which rather perfectly explains the blue-red area situation.

 

[C1]

All of this is a wasted effort.

Clearly there is a cabal attempting to establish a one world government (in actuality a corpocracy or being implemented via corpocracy). (In fact, it is openly stated.)

The public in general, if it would actually stop to look & think, would understand it under such names as New World Order & Agenda 2030.

The major precepts of the initiatives are not mysterious & are quite delineated and includes:

- One world government
- Sustainability (population reduction & consolidation , control of food production, etc.)
- Climate control

The spin that it takes involves all these wars, shift to a surveillance civilization, shift to a purely digital currency, planetary aerosol praying, massive regulation, consolidation of population into cities (particularly high rises), transition to a robotic/AI work force, etc.

It has a Marxist/Orwellian look & feel..

If the transition seems to be being thwarted by Trump, then it is merely a pause of the inexorable.

 

[agent00f]

The blue state depression
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/4/the-blue-state-depression/

Blue
"Im talking about an economic depression in the blue states that went for Hillary. Here is an amazing statistic. Of the 10 blue states that Hillary Clinton won by the largest percentage margins — California, Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Connecticut — every single one of them lost domestic migration (excluding immigration) over the last 10 years (2004-14). Nearly 2.75 million more Americans left California and New York than entered these states"

Red
"Now let’s look at the 10 states that had the largest percentage vote for Donald Trump. Everyone of them — Wyoming, West Virginia, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Dakota, and Idaho — was a net population gainer."

"The just-released 2016 edition of ALEC’s Rich States, Poor States, which I co-author with Reagan economist Arthur Laffer and economist Jonathan Williams shows a persistent trend of Americans moving from blue to red states. The best example is that from 2004-2014, the two biggest conservative states in terms of population size — Florida and Texas — gained almost one million new residents each. The two most populous liberal states — California and New York — saw an equal-sized exodus."


The irony....

"Even when it comes to income inequality blue states fare worse than red states. According to a 2016 report by the Economic Policy institute, three of the states with the largest gaps between rich and poor are … those progressive icons New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. Sure, Boston, Manhattan and Silicon Valley are booming as the rich prosper. But outside these areas are deep pockets of poverty and wage stagnation."

Yep. Blue states are getting poorer and red states richer. The only reason blue states are as wealthy as they are now is because once upon a time they operated like red states and were full of startups.
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...tes-are-getting-richer-and-blue-states-poorer

Not a surprise the easily duped OP is once again taken by a site purposely named to fool idiots into thinking it's real news.

All of this is a wasted effort.

Clearly there is a cabal attempting to establish a one world government (in actuality a corpocracy or being implemented via corpocracy). (In fact, it is openly stated.)

The public in general, if it would actually stop to look & think, would understand it under such names as New World Order & Agenda 2030.

The major precepts of the initiatives are not mysterious & are quite delineated and includes:

- One world government
- Sustainability (population reduction & consolidation , control of food production, etc.)
- Climate control

The spin that it takes involves all these wars, shift to a surveillance civilization, shift to a purely digital currency, planetary aerosol praying, massive regulation, consolidation of population into cities (particularly high rises), transition to a robotic/AI work force, etc.

It has a Marxist/Orwellian look & feel..

If the transition seems to be being thwarted by Trump, then it is merely a pause of the inexorable.

Don't forget the lizard people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Anybody else notice the bullshit qualifier "excluding immigration"?

Real Merricuns! Here's the population of W Virginia, for example-

https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+w+virginia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Anybody else Google up the populations of the states mentioned, GDP per capita, or perhaps a poverty map?

Anybody else notice that Florida is a swing state, or that Northeasterners move there to retire & bring their own money?

Welcome to the post truth world of Repub propaganda.

 

[theeedude]

I don't have a problem with CA liberals moving to other states. Turned Colorado and Virginia blue, more to come
People are leaving CA for one main reason, expensive real estate. Which is expensive because a lot of other people who are more productive are coming into California.

 

[theeedude]

Stephen Moore and Art Laffer are the jokers who designed the Kansas tax cuts that have been a disaster of epic proportions.

 

[HomerJS]

I don't get the point of this thread. I thought people voted for Trump because they were unhappy about their economic situation?

 

[Aikouka]

I left a blue state for a "red state". Although I'm in the absolutely bluest part of said red state. I left IL for Kentucky. Property taxes were through the roof in IL. It's the same issue with NJ. When it comes to property values, people are cashing out of NY and CA and heading to less expensive areas. That's how NC and TX are going "purple".

Yep. My mom was recently looking to move out of New York, and she considered moving near my brother (IL) or me (AL). It really came down to the fact that it's far cheaper to live in Alabama than it is to live in Illinois. I think she would be paying around 3-4x as much in property taxes on the same house if it was in Illinois.

Oh, and the lack of snow didn't hurt either.

Yep we had our top engineer retire and move south. He can live comfortably and cheaply in the South and in the meantime vote Democrat.

There's not really that much of a point voting Democrat down here. I mean... I guess you could help show that there is a presence, but there's a very small chance that you'll win.

 

[umbrella39]

Out of all of the election season ALTroll accounts... this one is by far the most underwhelming...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And lets look at the level of higher learning institutions for each state listed above, shall we?
Blue States:

California - Pomona (rank 1 on Forbes 2015 rating) and Stanford, Harvey Mudd, UC Berkeley
Massachusetts - Harvard, Williams (rank 2 on Forbes), MIT, Boston College
Vermont - Middlebury (rank 34)
Hawaii - meh, you're in Hawaii, go surf.
Maryland - United States Naval Academy (rank 27) and Johns Hopkins,
New York - United States Military Academy (rank 11) and Columbia University, Cornell
Illinois - University of Chicago, Northwestern University (rank 16)
Rhode Island - Brown University (rank 8)
New Jersey - Princeton (rank 4)
Connecticut - Yale (rank 5)

So... the evil liberal blue states have 5 of the top rated colleges per Forbes, and not so shabby runners up.

Red States
Wyoming - University of Wyoming (rank 235 in Forbes 2015 rating)
West Virginia - West Virginia U (rank 421 on the above scale)
Oklahoma - University of Tulsa (rank 173)
North Dakota - University of North Dakota (rank 444)
Kentucky - Centre College (rank 89)
Tennessee - Vanderbilt (rank 47)
South Dakota - University of South Dakota (rank 411)
Idaho - College of Idaho (rank 195)

And the red states crank up 2 that are in the top 100. Well done!
http://www2.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/americas-top-colleges-2015/

And the drumpf says

 

[Sunburn74]

OP should consider going to a blue state school given his poor grasp of proper grammar.

"The Blue States are losers states"

 

[fskimospy]

I don't get the point of this thread. I thought people voted for Trump because they were unhappy about their economic situation?

Now you're just going to confuse him, haha. People voted for Trump because they had been left behind economically except for in the places he lost the worst, which are inexplicably the places also left behind economically.

 

[Commodus]

I don't get the point of this thread. I thought people voted for Trump because they were unhappy about their economic situation?

Shh, jammix's entire world view would collapse if he would dig deeper than the surface and realize that many of his claims are either contradictory or demonstrably false. Can't have him questioning the flawless wisdom of Divine Leader Trump.

As others have said: even if you discount the bias of Washington Times (it's clearly a pro-Republican cheerleader), shouldn't conservatives be panicking at the possibility of blue state people heading their way? If enough left-leaning people move to these states, "safe" Republican areas may go Democrat. You'd be looking at a country where Democrats more consistently win elections, or at least swing states that were previously conservative strongholds.