The biggest attractive point of Iphone6 is big size?

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ControlD

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Is this a very old Mac? Since 2008/9 the Mac trackpad actually has two physical buttons and you can left click and right click just like a Windows trackpad. They don't show the separator, but the two buttons are there, just click on the bottom left/right corner.

I'm pretty sure it is one button but the bottom left and right clicks are determined through software. The trackpad itself is just one button. This is a 2011 model.
 

sgrinavi

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Wait, what? If Apple can't get a Full HD screen into their flagship 2014 phone, I think we can safely call Apple down for the count. Can't even match what their competitors did over a year ago? Cripes.

Apple haters wouldn't buy one if it was made out of unicorn farts and had a 4k display -

OTOH Apple kids don't care - so long as it looks good, which it will at 416 ppi -

EDIT - This is going to be the biggest iPhone launch to date, watch
 
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sgrinavi

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Every iPhone launch is the biggest to date. If this weren't, they'd be sunk.

I get a big kick out of this kind of stuff. Apple is the largest, publicly owned, company in the US, yes it could lose that throne to Exxon, but regardless they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Even with a less than successful launch (like the original iPad mini)

For the record: I'm not an apple fan-boy by any stretch, I have An apple phone and tablet, I have a windows phone and tablet and an Android tablet. I use them all and like certain features of each one.
 

cronos

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I'm pretty sure it is one button but the bottom left and right clicks are determined through software. The trackpad itself is just one button. This is a 2011 model.

This 'software' is just a checkbox in the trackpad setting, so while it's true that by default it is not activated, I wouldn't exactly call it 'software controlled'.

Personally this is one of the first things I activated after logging in to a fresh Mac (the other thing is the messed up 'natural scroll' that's the opposite of what we're used to, which is implemented since 10.7, I think :mad:) so I never had any problems with it.
 

ControlD

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This 'software' is just a checkbox in the trackpad setting, so while it's true that by default it is not activated, I wouldn't exactly call it 'software controlled'.

Personally this is one of the first things I activated after logging in to a fresh Mac (the other thing is the messed up 'natural scroll' that's the opposite of what we're used to, which is implemented since 10.7, I think :mad:) so I never had any problems with it.

I think we are saying the same thing pretty much. The trackpad has one physical button only. The Apple driver will register a "right click" if it senses that you have pushed this button with your finger on the lower right part of the trackpad. Similarly it will register a left click if you press anywhere else. If you prefer, you can have a two finger press register as a right click which is also driver controller. It all works pretty well until you try to do something like play a game, or you have an application that requires left and right simultaneous presses.

Anyhow, sorry to everyone for me taking things so off topic!

Even though I don't own a iPhone anymore I am still fairly interested to see what Apple does with the IP6. I really hope it is more than just a bigger screen with the same grid of icons being displayed. It looks like the iPad will be getting split screen support with iOS8 so I wonder if perhaps there will also be some type of multi-window support coming to the phones. Add some built in widget support and third party keyboards (which may be there already?) and it could be a pretty nice package. The hardware is already pretty good, Apple just needs some updates to iOS IMO.
 

blairharrington

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Given that they are keeping the physical home button and bumping the screen up to 4.7", I think we know pretty much what this phone will look like. The dummy models created by rumored leaked specs appear to be spot on. Essentially the iPhone 6 will look a great deal like the Nexus 5 with respect to height and width, but thinner.

I wish Apple could ditch the physical home button and figure out a way to provide TouchID as an on-screen experience. Not needing to place a physical button on the front of the device could potentially allow them to make the phone smaller.
 

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Yeah, I am well aware of the two finger click. It works fine for some things and sucks for others. Just like with iPhone vs. Android it all comes down to people's opinions and usage patterns. I think my Mac is a fine computer aside from OSX and being limited to one button. :D

Apple laptops all have a right click option (turn it on in the settings). You can set it to be the lower right corner of the touchpad.
 

Ichinisan

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Given that they are keeping the physical home button and bumping the screen up to 4.7", I think we know pretty much what this phone will look like. The dummy models created by rumored leaked specs appear to be spot on. Essentially the iPhone 6 will look a great deal like the Nexus 5 with respect to height and width, but thinner.

I wish Apple could ditch the physical home button and figure out a way to provide TouchID as an on-screen experience. Not needing to place a physical button on the front of the device could potentially allow them to make the phone smaller.

No no no. The physical button is one of the best things about iPhone.

...unless you have a slow iPhone 4 with a worn-out button.
 

mikegg

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cronos is correct as usual.

For my Nexus 5 I thought it was a gimmick but I actually use it several times a week for simple tasks like weather, opening an app, finding a location such as "find Starbucks", calling people, or simple Google searches. Yes it's faster and easier especially if you're lazy or walking. My only complaint is it only works while the phone is awake and on the home screen.

http://www.androidpit.com/how-to-use-ok-google-voice-commands

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-nexus-5-google-now

Here's a cool video with 50 Google Now commands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vT0AWDq3DE
Only after you unlocked your phone? Well, then it's useless to me again. If I'm driving and I need to send a text, I'm not going to look at my phone to unlock it.

With Siri, I can just hold down the Home button and send a text right away. If Siri requires an unlocked phone, I can just use my fingerprint to unlock it. Again, no looking at the phone.

Just small usability features like these really irked me when I used an Android. It made my experience frustrating. I went back to the iPhone even though I absolutely hate iTunes. Apple needs to stop using iTunes to control the iPhone. iTunes was created to play music - not to sync with a phone.
 
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Ichinisan

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I get a big kick out of this kind of stuff. Apple is the largest, publicly owned, company in the US, yes it could lose that throne to Exxon, but regardless they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Even with a less than successful launch (like the original iPad mini)

For the record: I'm not an apple fan-boy by any stretch, I have An apple phone and tablet, I have a windows phone and tablet and an Android tablet. I use them all and like certain features of each one.

Why are people so delusional about the original iPad mini? It immediately became the fastest selling iPad by a huge margin.

You read comments from a few snobs complaining that it didn't have retina or A6 and assumed it was a flop. The perfect size and the lower price cannot be ignored. They were huge selling points.
 

cmdrdredd

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Why are people so delusional about the original iPad mini? It immediately became the fastest selling iPad by a huge margin.

You read comments from a few snobs complaining that it didn't have retina or A6 and assumed it was a flop. The perfect size and the lower price cannot be ignored. They were huge selling points.

Perfect size? Not really IMO.
 

TuxDave

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Yeah, I am well aware of the two finger click. It works fine for some things and sucks for others. Just like with iPhone vs. Android it all comes down to people's opinions and usage patterns. I think my Mac is a fine computer aside from OSX and being limited to one button. :D

The multi-touch trackpad gestures are so great that I don't even care about the 1 or 2 or X button debate anymore.
 

blairharrington

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Seriously? Tactile feedback is extremely important when you have to use one button for so many things (and some of those things are done without looking at the screen).

You need to explain yourself. Apple most likely is going to move the power/wake button to the right side. You'll easily be able to wake your phone that way. Obviously the physical home button has the bonus of TouchID if you want to use that. My point originally was that having no physical home button gives you potentially more flexibility to make a smaller phone. Obviously you would need to offer a TouchID experience that doesn't incorporate a physical home button to do so. Perhaps say the same technology incorporated on the screen itself, if ever possible.

But this idea that the physical home button must never go is really nonsense. I used an iPhone for 5 years and I don't miss the physical home button one bit with my Nexus 5.
 

tHa ShIzNiT

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We need to clarify so that people have the right information that Google Now is NOT available from a PIN locked lock screen. The Moto X is the only exception to this but you have to speak your PIN to the device before it will action your request. No other Android phone can be operated by voice when it is locked securely.

On the other hand, Apple allows you to toggle a setting in Siri that allows you to use voice control from a securely locked device by pressing and holding the home button. You can place calls, send texts, ask the device to play music/skip tracks etc. This is obviously a more powerful and versatile solution.

So google now commands are not available from a PIN locked lock screen. How about if its not pin locked? I dont think you can talk to your google phone unless its unlocked. I could be wrong, but I'm running the most current KitKat rom on my phone and I'm pretty sure I'm unable to talk to it until its unlocked.

Being able to talk to a locked phone would be huge for me, honestly. I'd use the hell outta that feature. I would also use the hell outta Siri if I had an iphone because its very easily accessible by holding the home button down. I want my android phone to act that way.
 

mikegg

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Why do you feel that way?

Oh hell no... if they get rid of the home button, I will stay with the 5s for many years. The Home button is seriously the best feature on the iPhone. I can't imagine going button-less again. I hated my Android experience because it didn't have a physical home button.

The home button allows me to control many functionalities without ever looking at my phone with Siri and fingerprint scanner. It's just nice to have tactile feedback.

If Apple removes the Home button, they are just idiots.
 

ControlD

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The multi-touch trackpad gestures are so great that I don't even care about the 1 or 2 or X button debate anymore.

The gestures are pretty good for sure. Do you play any games using the trackpad that require left and right button clicks? It is almost impossible. It isn't the end of the world and I still use my Mac for basic computing tasks, but it would be nice to be able to fire up a game of Minecraft or Dredmor every so often without needing a mouse .. which needs a solid surface .. which means I just end up using my desktop PC instead .. which is in the basement ... which defeats the purpose of getting a laptop in the first place
 

mikegg

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The multi-touch trackpad gestures are so great that I don't even care about the 1 or 2 or X button debate anymore.

OSX has 2 button support. I use the right click all the time with my trackpad by clicking with 2 buttons. It's very intuitive.
 

blairharrington

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Oh hell no... if they get rid of the home button, I will stay with the 5s for many years. The Home button is seriously the best feature on the iPhone. I can't imagine going button-less again. I hated my Android experience because it didn't have a physical home button.

The home button allows me to control many functionalities without ever looking at my phone with Siri and fingerprint scanner. It's just nice to have tactile feedback.

If Apple removes the Home button, they are just idiots.

I completely disagree. I find I have lost nothing with respect to functionality. I can easily wake my phone hitting the right edge power/wake button and use Google Now for voice commands.
 

mikegg

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The gestures are pretty good for sure. Do you play any games using the trackpad that require left and right button clicks? It is almost impossible. It isn't the end of the world and I still use my Mac for basic computing tasks, but it would be nice to be able to fire up a game of Minecraft or Dredmor every so often without needing a mouse .. which needs a solid surface .. which means I just end up using my desktop PC instead .. which is in the basement ... which defeats the purpose of getting a laptop in the first place

I don't play games on my Macbook Air so it's not a problem with me. Most people who buy Macs don't care about gaming. It's only a problem for Ananadtech geeks. =)
 

cronos

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Only after you unlocked your phone? Well, then it's useless to me again. If I'm driving and I need to send a text, I'm not going to look at my phone to unlock it.

With Siri, I can just hold down the Home button and send a text right away. If Siri requires an unlocked phone, I can just use my fingerprint to unlock it. Again, no looking at the phone. Just small usability features like these really irked me when I used an Android. It made my experience frustrating.

It's okay. If Android is useless to you and it frustrates you, then stay away from it. It's good that we have options, right? There's no need to be too upset, just move on to something else :)

Isn't it actually worrying though that you can talk to Siri even though your phone is locked? What if somebody else gets a hold of your phone? Unless Siri recognizes its owner's voice now and refused everybody else's commands, which would be pretty cool.

On the other hand, with Android you can easily set up a Tasker profile that sets the keyguard to off whenever you're in the car or whenever you think you'll need a one handed operation. Which means your phone is locked everywhere else, but not in the car, so you can Google Now whatever you like while driving without even touching it. I don't think you can do that with an iPhone.

I went back to the iPhone even though I absolutely hate iTunes. Apple needs to stop using iTunes to control the iPhone. iTunes was created to play music - not to sync with a phone.

There's always going to be trade-offs. You just need to pick your poison and settle with whichever one irks you the least. Easy. One of the best improvements to the iPhones in the recent years is that you could do update through OTA now, without connecting it to iTunes on your computer. So if you want iTunes to strictly to play music, you can.