The Big Bang!
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jaqie
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To my own rekoning, by what I have seen in many science based shows about it (naked science, nova, et al) it was a single point where the very laws of physics we know did not work, everything (magnetism, radiation, heat, mass, energy, et cetra) was a single superforce... kind of like the ultimate black hole in a way.
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jaqie
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And at a time the world was flat, and the speed of sound could not be broken. The very nature of science means a "fact" today may be proven wrong tomorrow. If you follow the universe to it's logical conclusion, one of two things happen by my reconing: either the huge amounts of mass we know now expand to infinity or the black holes eventually pull everything into them, and then pull eachother together into a single singularity of mass. This is already partially observed through our observations of the behaviour of black holes. This means that it's quite possible that the single point which will result from this could be the very thing that happened at the beginning of our universe, and that it may not be the first time it happened, either. Stating "there is no before" is just as much conjecture, and possibly even more conjecture, then the alternate theory which I have proposed (probably has been proposed many times before as well) here.
That is a question for physicists to answer, and even then I'd take it with a grain of salt. No one's perfect, and it's only theory. It's not like we can go back in time to verify this.
TastesLikeChicken
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The time of our own universe began with the big bang. afaik, nothing rules out that there wasn't other time before that.
Exactly.
Although if memory serves me correct a few astrophysicists speculate that "before" the Big Bang there could have existed a universe which looked absolutely nothing like our own, with completely different laws, particles, and elements. You can further conjecture that one day our universe will contract upon itself into a single point, after which a new "Big Bang" will occur, thus completing the cycle and creating once again a new universe completely unlike the current one.
Isn't there a big bang theory where the universe coalesces to form an infinite number of big bangs?
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frostedflakes
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What was there before god?
I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of something that has existed forever. The Big Bang makes sense, but what kicked it off? Assuming it was some supreme being, what made that being? Who/what is at the top of the chain, i.e. has always existed? And how could it have existed for all time.
*head asplodes*
I know. I began typing that reply before your post... damn hand in a cast makes typing a bit slow. :frown:
Jeff7
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What's south of the South Pole?
"Before" isn't really a proper term. As best as anyone can figure, the Big Bang was an eruption of time, space, and energy. Everything we know is based on those things. All of our perceptions, our terminology, our reality, are based on those things. You might as well ask a person born without sight to explain what "red" looks like. He simply can't, because it describes something which he cannot perceive. How do you ask creatures like us, immersed within space, traveling through time, interacting with energy and tightly-bound energy (matter; super-dense energy, perhaps?) to describe a reality where none of these things exist? We can't do it.
For us, who exist in this bubble of spacetime, what is "outside" cannot be seen, cannot be described. Use of the term "before" only works so long as causality itself exists. If time came from the singularity, then without the eruption, there is no time, and thus no before - like being at the South Pole and asking, "which way is south?"
In the beginning, there was......something. Sort of. I think it's sort of what Jaqie was saying, and partly what DrPizza was saying.
"Before" isn't really a proper term. As best as anyone can figure, the Big Bang was an eruption of time, space, and energy. Everything we know is based on those things. All of our perceptions, our terminology, our reality, are based on those things. You might as well ask a person born without sight to explain what "red" looks like. He simply can't, because it describes something which he cannot perceive. How do you ask creatures like us, immersed within space, traveling through time, interacting with energy and tightly-bound energy (matter; super-dense energy, perhaps?) to describe a reality where none of these things exist? We can't do it.
For us, who exist in this bubble of spacetime, what is "outside" cannot be seen, cannot be described. Use of the term "before" only works so long as causality itself exists. If time came from the singularity, then without the eruption, there is no time, and thus no before - like being at the South Pole and asking, "which way is south?"
Whatever is outside of the universe right now, where the laws of physics don't apply and time is nonexistent?
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