The BBB is still taxing Social Security

MtnMan

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If their lips are moving, they are lying. The sales pitch, no tax on social security. Wrong.

SS is still taxed. What has been done is there is an additional deduction of $6,000 per person but only for the next 4 years. This deduction can be claimed if you use either standard or itemized deductions, and are 65 years of age or older.

Example: (for married couple filing jointly)

Social Security income = $40,000
Other income, IRA, etc. = $40,000
Total income = $80,000

Standard deduction = $31,500 (up from 29,200 in 2024)
Existing deduction for those 65+ = $3,200 (1,600 each, this is not new) (If filing single this has been increased to 2,000)
Now your AGI = $45,300

New deduction for those 65+ = $12,000 (6,000 each, but this expires in 2028)
Now your AGI = $33,300

23,850 of that is taxed at 10% = 2,385
The remaining 9,450 taxed at 12% = 1,134
Total taxes = 3,519

Without the additional $6,000 per person deduction total taxes due would be $4,959, so it does save you $1,440 but your SS is still being taxed.

Trump inflation is expected to cost the average household an estimated $2,500, so there is that...

If SS was actually not taxed, you would only owe $530 in taxes.

Another change of note is that you can deduct up to $2,000 in charitable donations, even if you take the standard deduction.
 
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ivwshane

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They did the same with overtime: for single fillers can only deduct 12.5k, which equals roughly $3k in savings.
 

MtnMan

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For the visual crowd, this is a great explanation. Others with just bullet points and jargon don't convey the message clearly.

 

lamedude

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Byrd rules says no changes to Social Security so it couldn't be done in the BBB. I think we all agree it should be at least indexed to inflation ($25K in 1984 is $77K today) but it appears the current environment is too toxic to pass simple bipartisan bills.
 
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allisolm

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From what I've read there are income limitations as well.

Those with adjusted gross income of $75,000 or less (single filers) or $150,000 or less (married couples filing jointly) get the 6000 deduction but it starts going down after those income levels above are reached, and it is fully phased out for individuals making $175,000 and for couples making $250,000.

As MtnMan said, they did not eliminate tax on SS at all.
 
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hal2kilo

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From what I've read there are income limitations as well.

Those with adjusted gross income of $75,000 or less (single filers) or $150,000 or less (married couples filing jointly) get the 6000 deduction but it starts going down after those income levels above are reached, and it is fully phased out for individuals making $175,000 and for couples making $250,000.

As MtnMan said, they did not eliminate tax on SS at all.
Bingo. I paid a ridiculous amount in taxes, as I have 3 annuities paying out in addition to SS which is near the top of the tier. Oh, to have been an ant.
 

dlerious

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Byrd rules says no changes to Social Security so it couldn't be done in the BBB. I think we all agree it should be at least indexed to inflation ($25K in 1984 is $77K today) but it appears the current environment is too toxic to pass simple bipartisan bills.
The one thing that always gets bipartisan support - even in the current environment is defense spending.