The Awful Truth . . .

CaptnKirk

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About the Bush Administration
New York Times Editorial -

OK Bush sopporters - Let the character assination begin:
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People are saying terrible things about George Bush. They say that his officials weren't sincere about pledges to balance the budget. They say that the planning for an invasion of Iraq began seven months before 9/11, that there was never any good evidence that Iraq was a threat and that the war actually undermined the fight against terrorism.

But these irrational Bush haters are body-piercing, Hollywood-loving, left-wing freaks who should go back where they came from: the executive offices of Alcoa, and the halls of the Army War College.

I was one of the few commentators who didn't celebrate Paul O'Neill's appointment as Treasury secretary. And I couldn't understand why, if Mr. O'Neill was the principled man his friends described, he didn't resign early from an administration that was clearly anything but honest.
But now he's showing the courage I missed back then, by giving us an invaluable, scathing insider's picture of the Bush administration.

Ron Suskind's new book "The Price of Loyalty" is based largely on interviews with and materials supplied by Mr. O'Neill. It portrays an administration in which political considerations ? satisfying "the base" ? trump policy analysis on every issue, from tax cuts to international trade policy and global warming. The money quote may be Dick Cheney's blithe declaration that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." But there are many other revelations.

One is that Mr. O'Neill and Alan Greenspan knew that it was a mistake to lock in huge tax cuts based on questionable projections of future surpluses. In May 2001 Mr. Greenspan gloomily told Mr. O'Neill that because the first Bush tax cut didn't include triggers ? it went forward regardless of how the budget turned out ? it was "irresponsible fiscal policy." This was a time when critics of the tax cut were ridiculed for saying exactly the same thing.

Another is that Mr. Bush, who declared in the 2000 campaign that "the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum," knew that this wasn't true. He worried that eliminating taxes on dividends would benefit only "top-rate people," asking his advisers, "Didn't we already give them a break at the top?"

Most startling of all, Donald Rumsfeld pushed the idea of regime change in Iraq as a way to transform the Middle East at a National Security Council meeting in February 2001.

There's much more in Mr. Suskind's book. All of it will dismay those who still want to believe that our leaders are wise and good.

The question is whether this book will open the eyes of those who think that anyone who criticizes the tax cuts is a wild-eyed leftist, and that anyone who says the administration hyped the threat from Iraq is a conspiracy theorist.

The point is that the credentials of the critics just keep getting better. How can Howard Dean's assertion that the capture of Saddam hasn't made us safer be dismissed as bizarre, when a report published by the Army War College says that the war in Iraq was a "detour" that undermined the fight against terror? How can charges by Wesley Clark and others that the administration was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq be dismissed as paranoid in the light of Mr. O'Neill's revelations?

So far administration officials have attacked Mr. O'Neill's character but haven't refuted any of his facts. They have, however, already opened an investigation into how a picture of a possibly classified document appeared during Mr. O'Neill's TV interview. This alacrity stands in sharp contrast with their evident lack of concern when a senior administration official, still unknown, blew the cover of a C.I.A. operative because her husband had revealed some politically inconvenient facts.

Some will say that none of this matters because Saddam is in custody, and the economy is growing. Even in the short run, however, these successes may not be all they're cracked up to be. More Americans were killed and wounded in the four weeks after Saddam's capture than in the four weeks before. The drop in the unemployment rate since its peak last summer doesn't reflect a greater availability of jobs, but rather a decline in the share of the population that is even looking for work.

More important, having a few months of good news doesn't excuse a consistent pattern of dishonest, irresponsible leadership. And that pattern keeps getting harder to deny.
 

smashp

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The Yabas have no opinion until 12pm eastern.


then theyll know how to handle this.
 

heartsurgeon

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Oh please..the final chapter in this "book" hasn't been writtten yet.

Bush is a "moron" - i've told you overand over again this is the liberal mantra..

Bush is so stupid, the stock matket is up, he has >60% approval rating, saddam has ben humilated/captured, afganistan has setup it's own democracy, iran, syria, n korea have all sent out peace feelers, the economy is reviving (and yes, jobs will increase nicely as well if you have some patience), interest rates are low, and he is odd's on favored to win re-election. He's co=opted the Dems on prescription drugs and latino immigration issues.....

yep real stupid...

meanwhile, the editor of the NYT gets fired because some twit makes up articles for years, mindless drivel like THIS is routinely printed on the NYT op/ed page.

i rarely believe anythng the NYT's prints, and i if what O'Neill claims is true....why didn't he QUIT? why did he stick around and get fired....let's not forget the stupid crap he said that caused financial markets to roil, and his world tour with "Bono"

please...he has a axe to grind and some sort of political agenda...more to follow
 

smashp

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here is another Article from Time

Confessions of a White House Insider



"So, what does O'Neill reveal? According to the book, ideology and electoral politics so dominated the domestic-policy process during his tenure that it was often impossible to have a rational exchange of ideas."


Sounds Kinda like Talking to Cad or any of his other Brethren in Blindness
 

UltraQuiet

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I was one of the few commentators who didn't celebrate Paul O'Neill's appointment as Treasury secretary.
But now that he has commenced criticizing the President he is Krugman's new hero. Another hypocritical, oligophrenic rant by Pauly boy. O'Neil may in fact be the honorable, forthright man that I have been led to believe that he is however he has had this info for quite some time and he has waited until a book release to go public. This smacks of being in the same vein as Scott Ritter's sudden reversal of story, Pete Rose's sudden confession, etc and it forces me to cast a critical eye on not only motive but veracity as well.


The Yabas have no opinion until 12pm eastern
Unlike the YACS who always have something stupid to say.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Oh please..the final chapter in this "book" hasn't been writtten yet.

Bush is a "moron" - i've told you overand over again this is the liberal mantra..

Bush is so stupid, the stock matket is up, he has >60% approval rating, saddam has ben humilated/captured, afganistan has setup it's own democracy, iran, syria, n korea have all sent out peace feelers, the economy is reviving (and yes, jobs will increase nicely as well if you have some patience), interest rates are low, and he is odd's on favored to win re-election. He's co=opted the Dems on prescription drugs and latino immigration issues.....

yep real stupid...

meanwhile, the editor of the NYT gets fired because some twit makes up articles for years, mindless drivel like THIS is routinely printed on the NYT op/ed page.

i rarely believe anythng the NYT's prints, and i if what O'Neill claims is true....why didn't he QUIT? why did he stick around and get fired....let's not forget the stupid crap he said that caused financial markets to roil, and his world tour with "Bono"

please...he has a axe to grind and some sort of political agenda...more to follow

"the economy is reviving (and yes, jobs will increase nicely as well if you have some patience)"

That's right, wait another 5 years dammit.


 

tk149

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

OK Bush sopporters - Let the character assination begin:
I'm not sure what an "assination" is, but I sure as heck know I don't want to be on the receiving end of one! :p

Interesting article, maybe I'll read the book.

 

Witling

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Oh, Heart! I love the statistics you cite to show that Bush isn't stupid. Actually, although I think he is probably a nice person, he's dumb enough to have to let technically competent people manage events.

One of my favorite Bush stories (which is really about his managers) concerns 9/11. Oh my God, what do we do? I know! Most secure place in the U.S. The missle silo installations. Bush nips there and one of his clever aids says, "Hook us up to national TV. The guy there responds, "Hey, these places were designed in the 50's and built in the 60's. No TV hookups. Will a phone line do?" Zip! Bush is out of there. In the early 21st century, if you can't get on TV , you might as well be dead.

Bush is a place holder -- rather like the zeros in numbers.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Bush is so stupid, the stock matket is up, he has >60% approval rating, saddam has ben humilated/captured, afganistan has setup it's own democracy, iran, syria, n korea have all sent out peace feelers, the economy is reviving (and yes, jobs will increase nicely as well if you have some patience), interest rates are low, and he is odd's on favored to win re-election. He's co=opted the Dems on prescription drugs and latino immigration issues.....
Way to wave the flag there heartsurgeon, but please tell us when Bush started controlling the stock market.
 

Genesys

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The point is that the credentials of the critics just keep getting better. How can Howard Dean's assertion that the capture of Saddam hasn't made us safer be dismissed as bizarre, when a report published by the Army War College says that the war in Iraq was a "detour" that undermined the fight against terror?

Because people are being rather short sighted about the whole Iraq issue. Theyre not looking at the long term effects that regime change is going to have on the middle east [which as we know is a haven for terrorists]. Even now, look at the drastic changes that are happening because we decided to dethrone Saddam.

And people, remember, we are fighting a war against terror, not a war against al Qaeda alone. Saddam supported terrorists, and the President said we will go after anyone who supports terrorists. And so we did, but now the populace whines because attacking Iraq was/is not as justifiable as they would want it to be.