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Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, I think MS is a part of an MM hunter's rotation. MM is not the preferred spec for raiding these days though. It's more for PvP now. Last I checked, EJ reported that Survival hunters with the proper gear and spec can actually pump out more DPS than any other spec. BM isn't far behind that at all assuming they can keep their pet alive.

I've had a pretty poor time PVPing as MM and I have a pretty good feelin' that it'd be a lot easier if I were BM with TBW. Maybe you're talking about MM/S hunters though as I'm MM/BM /S (7/49/5).

Probably. I really don't know jack when it comes to hunters and PvP. I just know that any emphasis that I have witnessed when it comes to putting a fair amount of points in the MM tree was explained to me as being useful for PvP.
 

Aikouka

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Well, you can never complain about aimed shot's -healing debuff if you don't have a warrior ( which a 3 hunter team obviously does not :p ). They probably also like scatter shot, but even then, can't do much against a rogue when yer stunned unless you trink + SS.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, you can never complain about aimed shot's -healing debuff if you don't have a warrior ( which a 3 hunter team obviously does not :p ). They probably also like scatter shot, but even then, can't do much against a rogue when yer stunned unless you trink + SS.

Consider more than the Arena though. A proper Arena spec can be very different than a proper BG spec.
 

xboxist

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Beat Vashj last night! Took 4 nights total (about 12 hours). Damn it feels good to drop that bitch.

I think my guild was motivated to prove that we could beat her before the 2.4 changes. I'm glad everyone stuck it out. This is a big win for us, but to this day nothing has been as big as beating Vael for the first time. Spent 2 months on that guy. Then we proceeded to clear all of BWL two weeks later. lol
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
wow 2 months on vael? ouch

I remember when we first started BWL. I can't remember if we started before we beat Rag or after though (BWL had just come out though). We spent sooooo long trying to get the Razorgore fight down. It was just a mix of getting the kiting right and the DPS doing well. Once we figured out the trick to aggroing everything on razorgore, putting him in the opposite corner of the orb, releasing control of razorgore and then having someone else use the orb... it became absolutely trivial. Even if our pally kiters died, anyone with some speed increases could do the orb trick. Our rogue raid leader even did it once. I think this was a bit easier as Horde though since they had EB totems. But they of course could yell about our Fear Ward and Blessing of Salvation :p.

We never spent that long on Vaelastrasz though. I do remember our first attempt at Vael was quite short... I think we survived about 12 seconds :laugh:. Once we got our tank rotation down (without threat meters ( /flex ), you wussies), he was quite easy. Although, I think one of my favorite raiding moments was on Vael. We pretty much had what looked like a wipe. Everyone was dyin' left and right. The only person left up... a Paladin. I know what ya thinkin, "Ahh, you were done for." Nope... that Paladin just bubbled, went up and killed Vael :Q!
 

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so on my rogue, once i started raiding again at lvl 70 I switched to mouse for movement and left hand on 1-5 for moves. I have my cycle of 1SnD/5Ruptures. I know mouse clickers get a really bad rap, but what is the most effecient for raid healing? Specifically a resto druid.

What mods? What healing cycle (if there is one)? What kind of hand placement (mouse to select who to heal, hand to cast heals 1-5 kinda thing)?
 

xboxist

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We could only spend one night there a week with everyone's schedules. So we basically had to relearn the fight each week as the tactics in our heads grew stale. But then we finally forced changes and bumped it up to two nights of BWL a week and finally got him before long after that. But it felt like an eternity. Was very hard to encourage signups after several failed nights, as you can imagine.
 

Xavier434

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Razorgore didn't take us long but Vael took us forever. At the time, we were kind of troubled when it came to attendance though so we spent most of our raids trying to kill Vael with less than 40 people and very few rogues (lots of rogues made that fight so much easier).
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: xboxist
We could only spend one night there a week with everyone's schedules. So we basically had to relearn the fight each week as the tactics in our heads grew stale. But then we finally forced changes and bumped it up to two nights of BWL a week and finally got him before long after that. But it felt like an eternity. Was very hard to encourage signups after several failed nights, as you can imagine.

We had the sign-up issue on Razorgore which pushed back progression a bit. MC was ez epix and BWL was ez repair billz... pretty logical which one you should do. Although, as a rogue, I hated the Razorgore fight. The fight is so anti-rogue when you're fighting Razorgore himself that it's not even funny :(. We had to try to hide behind pillars and go out after he does his AoE fireball.. but you hope he doesn't flame breath once you walk out lulz.

Vael was more fun, especially when I was Assassination. I will admit that I pulled aggro once as assassination though :eek:. Although, I didn't catch no flack, because I was rogue class leader :cool:.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: xboxist
We could only spend one night there a week with everyone's schedules. So we basically had to relearn the fight each week as the tactics in our heads grew stale. But then we finally forced changes and bumped it up to two nights of BWL a week and finally got him before long after that. But it felt like an eternity. Was very hard to encourage signups after several failed nights, as you can imagine.

We had the sign-up issue on Razorgore which pushed back progression a bit. MC was ez epix and BWL was ez repair billz... pretty logical which one you should do. Although, as a rogue, I hated the Razorgore fight. The fight is so anti-rogue when you're fighting Razorgore himself that it's not even funny :(. We had to try to hide behind pillars and go out after he does his AoE fireball.. but you hope he doesn't flame breath once you walk out lulz.

Vael was more fun, especially when I was Assassination. I will admit that I pulled aggro once as assassination though :eek:. Although, I didn't catch no flack, because I was rogue class leader :cool:.

sounds like you needed better healers for razorgore, we always just stood there :/ vael took us a week or 2, actually starting BWL is what took forever getting people to come to razor was a PITA and resulted in me kicking 10 people out of the guild who wanted to just do AV and not raid, the message got across that that was not cool and things changed,

i think we 32 manned bloodlord and 28 manned the first 3 drakes on our first downings on a random off night
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
sounds like you needed better healers for razorgore, we always just stood there :/ vael took us a week or 2, actually starting BWL is what took forever getting people to come to razor was a PITA and resulted in me kicking 10 people out of the guild who wanted to just do AV and not raid, the message got across that that was not cool and things changed,

i think we 32 manned bloodlord and 28 manned the first 3 drakes on our first downings on a random off night

Ehh the healers never really cared about us poor rogues :(. We mostly took care of ourselves during fights.

Broodlord Lashlayer wasn't too bad for us, but what I hated so much was being a rogue on the trash up to him. Suppression Rooms were a horrible idea by Blizzard and I curse them even now just remembering how boring it was. We had aggro issues on Broodlord since tanks tended to get knocked back by the blast wave (which reduced aggro as well as the knockback which reduced aggro). What we actually did was send our casters in at a blast wave to help reduce their aggro. Flamegor wasn't too bad, except when he'd shift (usually when switching tanks) and it'd put the tanks out of line of sight with their intended healers.

Ebonroc was a joke in comparison... the trash getting up to him was harder than he was. I hated those damn goblins. I think the only time when we had problems on Ebonroc was when the tank changing didn't go well. Then you had the only two random fights in BWL... Chromaggus and Nefarion. We first tried doing Chromaggus by the door leading into the room where his lever is, but we found this to not be too efficient. We then switched to doing him down where you do Ebonroc (by the nooks) which adds two areas to hide by... one in front of him and one behind him.

You know, I kind of miss those days when raiding was new and not so damn boring.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Anubis
sounds like you needed better healers for razorgore, we always just stood there :/ vael took us a week or 2, actually starting BWL is what took forever getting people to come to razor was a PITA and resulted in me kicking 10 people out of the guild who wanted to just do AV and not raid, the message got across that that was not cool and things changed,

i think we 32 manned bloodlord and 28 manned the first 3 drakes on our first downings on a random off night

Ehh the healers never really cared about us poor rogues :(. We mostly took care of ourselves during fights.

Broodlord Lashlayer wasn't too bad for us, but what I hated so much was being a rogue on the trash up to him. Suppression Rooms were a horrible idea by Blizzard and I curse them even now just remembering how boring it was. We had aggro issues on Broodlord since tanks tended to get knocked back by the blast wave (which reduced aggro as well as the knockback which reduced aggro). What we actually did was send our casters in at a blast wave to help reduce their aggro. Flamegor wasn't too bad, except when he'd shift (usually when switching tanks) and it'd put the tanks out of line of sight with their intended healers.

Ebonroc was a joke in comparison... the trash getting up to him was harder than he was. I hated those damn goblins. I think the only time when we had problems on Ebonroc was when the tank changing didn't go well. Then you had the only two random fights in BWL... Chromaggus and Nefarion. We first tried doing Chromaggus by the door leading into the room where his lever is, but we found this to not be too efficient. We then switched to doing him down where you do Ebonroc (by the nooks) which adds two areas to hide by... one in front of him and one behind him.

You know, I kind of miss those days when raiding was new and not so damn boring.

Anubis is right about the healers. They should have been healing through the fireball damage. On Broodlord, your tanks should have backed up into one of the corners so the knockback did not cause any issues. You are definitely right about Ebon and the trash leading to him. Chromag was just a pain, but not as bad as Vael. Nef was easy once you mastered P1.
 

Anubis

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wow you actully pulled chromagg all the way down there? we did the doorway method always worked fine, 1 shotted on our first 40 man night, had Bronze then also
 

abaez

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I remember the one hour timer on vael when BWL first came out. Never has our guild been so fast at wipe recovery it was crazy.

We'd wipe and everyone would be back in and fully buffed in 3 minutes to pull again. It was actually kind of a rush as the timer ran out... two minutes left RUN RUN. Nowadays it takes 5 minutes just to switch someone out ;(
 

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I still remember beating the original Broodlord Lashlayer, you know, the version that dropped all aggro instead of just half. I reckon he's still the hardest boss in WoW, it required a death rotation with out of combat ressurrections to beat. Ah the old times.
 

lupi

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I'm a little over halfway to 62 and still have EPL and Sith to do. I also started along the dreadsteed quest, as if I didn't empty my wallet on the actual quest looking at the AH for current cost for the remaining items is just about absurd now. Guess after I get to 70 I'll have to level up some of my other guys just so I can get the remaining items.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Anubis
many locks still have some of the items needed for teh steed, i have 2

so you dont need to buy them all

I wasn't even worried about that part yet, things like the black dragonscales are bad enough.
 

lupi

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I've started playing around with this LFG channel and found it's not so bad if you just don't have auto join turned on. Then you can use the channel and whatever you selected really doesn't matter.

I wonder though how many others actually use this channel since it doesn't just appear at log on.
 

lupi

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I've gotten 6 <60 blue drops so far and have sold 5 of them for about 90g after taxes...which is good as it cost me about 90g to buy the rest of the items off of the AH to complete the turn ins for the Dreadsteed quest. Managed to hook up with someone else doing the quest and am riding my dreadsteed again :)


Course now I'm flat broke again.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: lupi
I've started playing around with this LFG channel and found it's not so bad if you just don't have auto join turned on. Then you can use the channel and whatever you selected really doesn't matter.

I wonder though how many others actually use this channel since it doesn't just appear at log on.

Sometimes I sign up for a group just to join the channel with something like, "NOT REALLY LOOKING FOR A GROUP" as my note. People still ask me to join ~_~. Like the time I finished the warlock epic mount quest on my Shaman and Warlock (yet again, another /patontheback for me, because it's one of my proudest moments in WoWdom), I joined up in some random instance to see if anyone else wanted to go.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: lupi
I've started playing around with this LFG channel and found it's not so bad if you just don't have auto join turned on. Then you can use the channel and whatever you selected really doesn't matter.

I wonder though how many others actually use this channel since it doesn't just appear at log on.

Sometimes I sign up for a group just to join the channel with something like, "NOT REALLY LOOKING FOR A GROUP" as my note. People still ask me to join ~_~. Like the time I finished the warlock epic mount quest on my Shaman and Warlock (yet again, another /patontheback for me, because it's one of my proudest moments in WoWdom), I joined up in some random instance to see if anyone else wanted to go.

you can just set it for LFG ZONE and turn off auto join then you can see all the spam and never have to worry about being invited to anything
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Mana
I still remember beating the original Broodlord Lashlayer, you know, the version that dropped all aggro instead of just half. I reckon he's still the hardest boss in WoW, it required a death rotation with out of combat ressurrections to beat. Ah the old times.

I don't know...I think it was just important that DPS keep their cool and allow a second tank to remain #2 on the aggro list at all times. These days, raid bosses require the DPS to stay in check much more than they used to. In the old days, you could allow a good percentage of your DPS to die and still be ok. These days, even one or two deaths can put the whole raid on their toes fearing a wipe on certain bosses.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Mana
I still remember beating the original Broodlord Lashlayer, you know, the version that dropped all aggro instead of just half. I reckon he's still the hardest boss in WoW, it required a death rotation with out of combat ressurrections to beat. Ah the old times.

I don't know...I think it was just important that DPS keep their cool and allow a second tank to remain #2 on the aggro list at all times. These days, raid bosses require the DPS to stay in check much more than they used to. In the old days, you could allow a good percentage of your DPS to die and still be ok. These days, even one or two deaths can put the whole raid on their toes fearing a wipe on certain bosses.

off the top of my head i can only think of 1 fight where 1 DPS person dieing = wipe, and thats Bloodboil and that only happens when the person who get the felrage dies and ge proceeds to 1 shot everyone

on our first archi kill we had 3 people die, all 3 were pallys
 
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