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Xavier434

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Oh Happy Days!

The new druid changes rock!

Druid

* Lifebloom: The bonus coefficient on the final bloom effect has been reduced by 20%. This spell will no longer cause error messages when interacting with Spellsteal or while the Druid is under the effects of Mind Control.
* Regrowth: The mana cost of this spell has been reduced by approximately 20%.


I am so glad my LB ticks are no longer being nerfed. The nerf to the bloom isn't bad at all despite what it may seem. That plus the reduction in regrowth cost + the regen buff everyone is getting with spirit will make regrowth a very viable option in long boss fights now. Overnight 2.4 for druids turned from a nerf to a buff. I suspect this isn't the end of the druid changes though. Something has got to give when it comes to the 2v2 arena. I suspect a nerf to our CC will be incoming shortly. I don't care though. As long as whatever it is does not effect PvE then I will be happy.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: AntiFreze
im an elixir spec and I love it. I have almost every flask and elixir. For raiding its great. Flask for new content, elixirs for farmed content. One time I proc'd 2 extra flasks, good day.

I rarely use my Xmute... I know, it's lazy. So do you guys just buy the cheapest primal and Xmute to the most expensive on a daily basis? I think the most I can make is 4g a day... well i guess thats 4g i didnt have before.

Yes. Earth -> Water is the most profitable transmute combo I have discovered. However, I am looking into a new means. Tests so far have proven to be successful but the results are slower. Your server's market can very easily destroy my idea, but I don't think any of the readers here are on my server and I like you guys a lot so what the hell.

Here is what I am trying. It requires you to have access to a JC that can cut Bracing Earthstorm Diamonds. On my server, these diamonds sell for about 90-110g a pop. The mats for transmuting an earthstorm diamond are Primal Earthx2, Primal Waterx2, and 9 green quality gems. The total cost in mats assuming I transmute 2 earths into 2 waters comes out to be around 26g for me. I then use my JC to cut a Bracing Earthstorm diamond. Selling that diamond for the minimum of 90g nets me 66g profit.

However, it is important to consider what I could be doing instead. It takes a total of 3 transmutes to do what I described above. I could be using those transmutes for earth -> water and just selling the waters for profit. The profit I gain from transmuting Earth -> Water is about 15g per transmute so 3 days worth is 45g in profit.

66g > 45g

The final cost is AH deposits which I lose. It usually takes me 2-3 tries to sell those diamonds which means I lose 1.8g per failed try. The end result is this:

66g-3.6g = 62.4g

62.4g > 45g

This process takes longer which means I need to be patient but that patience earns me an additional 17.4g more than what a simple earth -> water would get me every 3 days assuming I sell the diamonds for the minimum price. As far as I know, I am the only person on my server which does this. There are usually only 2-3 diamonds up which I need to undercut. These are often made by people who are leveling JC which means they do not fill the AH with a continuous supply. I haven't done this for very long so I do not know if it is full proof or not which is why I still stand by the Earth -> Water being the most profitable. That plus you need a JCer to do the above strat.

Transmute master ftw

Hehe I just did this again today. My earthstorm diamond transmute procced so I got double the diamonds :D

They both sold for 90g on the same day too so no deposit losses giving me a total of 132g profit. This new method might be what I stick with for a while.
 

lupi

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I've gotten 4 blues while leveling and am wondering how worthwhile it would be to sell on the AH, or has the market for twink'type gear died down. I'd be happy to just give them to alts, but as I haven't tracked AH habits for abit I'm not sure.


Here are the 4 items:

Dreamsinger Legguards
Kaleidoscope Chain
Necromancer Leggings
Thunderbrow Ring


The main downside of these items as for as the AH goes as you can see from their stats, they are each just above a BG level cutoff.
 

livingsacrifice

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Originally posted by: JAH
Originally posted by: livingsacrifice
Originally posted by: BadRobot
It depends on what class you are, and which blues on whether or not you can do heroics. Also there are certain instances that are noticably easier or harder than each other.

full resto druid and all blue items except for the cape which is lots of armor and stamina added

You'll be fine, but like others had said, having a good tank will make things much easier.

My heroic partner is a holy priest in full blues, but he he did just fine healing me - even when I tank those Fel demons in heroic BF that hit like a truck.

One thing I noticed about heroic PuG is that there are some people in full purple (elitist pricks) who will automatically discount your skills if they see you in blues. I had quite a few who would just drop party or make lame excuse to leave after inspecting other members. One time I had this shadow priest who cussed out our healer for a little mistake - so I promptly kick him out of the group and /ignore. Got a mage to rep him and clear the instance without any issue.


Thanks for all the help guys, I got one peice of the PVP druid resto set (gloves) and I have been working with my guild on getting kara attuned, I'm on the last part. I've got pretty much all blues and I had no problem healing on any of the bosses we faced in caverns of time. PvP I still suck at because my gear doesn't have very good resistance so people automatically target me in battle, not to mention getting called "noob druid" gets on my nerves, yet I'm sure I've been playing this game longer than 80% of the people on there.
 

Chimley

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We beat the game last night finally.. Illidan down :> Pretty weird how it happened too.. MT moved him to the trap.. and got destroyed as he enraged. But the trap went off.. so we burned him to about 2% and he went Demon Form. He was in Demon Form for about 5 seconds, then reverted back for the "End Fight" RP with Maiev (sic). Loots were double Protector, Hunter Bow, Healy Cape.
 

CalvinHobbes

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Originally posted by: lupi
I've gotten 4 blues while leveling and am wondering how worthwhile it would be to sell on the AH, or has the market for twink'type gear died down. I'd be happy to just give them to alts, but as I haven't tracked AH habits for abit I'm not sure.


Here are the 4 items:

Dreamsinger Legguards
Kaleidoscope Chain
Necromancer Leggings
Thunderbrow Ring


The main downside of these items as for as the AH goes as you can see from their stats, they are each just above a BG level cutoff.

When I get a drop like those I normally see if I can find something similar for a lot less on the AH. If I can, I sell the blue item.

Check to see if anyone is selling them on your server to get an idea about price. I remember I got the Dreamsinger Legguards in 1000 needles and sold it for quite a bit which was great for my character at the time.

Use auctioneer if you want to track the prices over time.
 

Aikouka

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So I started a 3v3 Arena Team (3 Hunters) with two people I know. Let's do a run down shall we...

3 PVE Spec Hunters... check!
0 PVP Trinkets... check!
0 Resilience... check!
3 Hunters in Greens and Blues... check!
0-10 streak for first week... check!

I probably shouldn't have expected at least we kill one person, but I guess that's what happens when you're the only one that knows specs and what that means, can tell what you need to kill, etc.

You know, I was also thinking. Why does an arena charter always cost the same amount? I mean the season is probably around 3/4 over right now yet you still pay the same 40g per person.
 

AntiFreze

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Quick rogue gemming question. I just got the badge boots (nin'jha) which have a red and a blue socket on them. the set bonus is +3 hit rating. I was thinking to do a +4agi +4hit in the red, and a 8hit in the blue and sacrifice the +3 hit rating.

what do you guys think?
 

Beev

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Finished my FSW set over the weekend. Now for Spellstrike and a Belt of Blasting. I'm probably going to wait for 2.4 for them, so I can just buy my vortexes and supply them to the crafter that makes my belt.
 

Aikouka

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In a somewhat interesting turn of events, it seems the top guild on my server (third best in US), Risen ( http://www.risen-guild.com ), is fed up with this sort of casual-ness that WoW is having and leaving. I've never really understood this attitude and worst off, it seems some of the complaints simply come from there being nothing given to the high-end raider. They did make another interesting point that I found somewhat valid (where as the rest I did not)... is that on the PTR, you pretty much help Blizzard tune bosses and essentially learn the encounter, but after that... it's all farming. The bosses never change and you already know the encounter.

What I did find a bit off was complaints that their loot luck seemed poor and they couldn't even finish a warglaive set where other "lesser" guilds have one if not multiple sets. I know I've seen at least one person in Premonition (second best guild on the server, twelfth in the US) with a warglaive set. But even then, yeah, sometimes loot drops suck. I'm surprised I don't see complaints on not getting a Phoenix mount to drop when I've seen "lesser guilds" with members that have one on both of my main servers.
 

Lamont Burns

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I played on Alleria for the first 12-18 months of WoW. I can see where Risen is coming from a bit I suppose, knowing their history pretty well. I don't think Failure(assuming he is still GM) hates casuals, he just doesn't feel enough is offered to him as a self-proclaimed hardcore. I would imagine for guilds like Risen the PTR is now the pinnacle of raiding almost, as that's the time you can separate yourself from other guilds to a degree. Once it's tuned and released, you just walk-in and repeat. Hence why world firsts past Naxx don't mean shit to most people. I guess when being on the PTR with an "employee who pays Blizzard mentality", it changes your perception and fun factor.

Loot luck is what it is. Maybe they should let you turn in T6 tokens for individual non set drops... seems like their trend atm. I have no perspective on this as I'm pretty casual as it is and don't hardcore raid, mainly PvP. I would disagree that Blizzard doesn't care about hardcore PvPers, however. Overall lack of varied content is a huge issue, but the catering to it is pretty high atm imo.

Risen and Blighted were the ones I always kept up with there on Alleria. I found it funny funneling all the necessary parts to Ts from Alliance to Horde to open the AQ Gates(MASSIVE faction population issues). I was using CT Mod for a good 3 months before I realized the creator was passing me in Org on almost a daily basis... pretty good historical server. So many allies on there big into DoTA too.
 

Aikouka

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Well, I mean... what else could they want as hardcore players? You and I know loot is all about luck and sometimes someone else will have better luck than you. It can really suck sometimes and you can feel slighted, but it's the luck of the draw. A 1% chance drop off a boss you've killed 3 times doesn't give you significantly more chance than someone that's killed it once for example.

But I do see how the PTR is changing the way hardcore raiders "fight" with eachother. No longer is it really world firsts anymore. It's PTR world firsts. I remember reading Curse when the Euros couldn't get on the PTR and the animosity that surrounded Americans getting the world firsts was astounding.

Maybe a nice factor would be if Blizzard rewarded those that helped them test the end-game content on PTRs. Maybe a free month or two of playtime? These players are essentially helping them get their patch ready for prime time and testing content that most players couldn't test.

I tried to "cash in" on their move back to FFXI (*shudder*) by seeing if they had any Boots of the Long Road patterns, but much to my dismay... they did not :(.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
In a somewhat interesting turn of events, it seems the top guild on my server (third best in US), Risen ( http://www.risen-guild.com ), is fed up with this sort of casual-ness that WoW is having and leaving. I've never really understood this attitude and worst off, it seems some of the complaints simply come from there being nothing given to the high-end raider. They did make another interesting point that I found somewhat valid (where as the rest I did not)... is that on the PTR, you pretty much help Blizzard tune bosses and essentially learn the encounter, but after that... it's all farming. The bosses never change and you already know the encounter.

What I did find a bit off was complaints that their loot luck seemed poor and they couldn't even finish a warglaive set where other "lesser" guilds have one if not multiple sets. I know I've seen at least one person in Premonition (second best guild on the server, twelfth in the US) with a warglaive set. But even then, yeah, sometimes loot drops suck. I'm surprised I don't see complaints on not getting a Phoenix mount to drop when I've seen "lesser guilds" with members that have one on both of my main servers.

If I remember correctly, I think the top SC guild just got warglaive to drop the other day. Given the comparable ease at which you can get equivalent type gear, through non-raid methods, I doubt this feeling will abate till the Blizz pendulum starts swinging back the other way.
 

Lamont Burns

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If they are happier with the grind that is FFXI, then yeah WoW is just not going to fulfill their gaming needs I don't think.

I agree on the point that loot acquiring has become amazingly easy if you think back to vanilla, in fact I think it has become maybe too easy... but it's no different than farming up HWL/GM gear prior to TBC. Back then tho we had a release date, and it was going to be a helluva lot sooner than WotLK.

However, after reading their forums it looks like Failure/Avelle became even more bitter to the game than they were before, which was already high. I guess they just had enough... for now.

They have a Global Arena Tournament.... how about a raid race! 10-20 raids zone in simultaneously, first to clear X amount of bosses including the final boss receives... something. cool. a mount! or a legendary! I do agree that top end PvE needs some sort of competition factor re-energized. It is what fuels a boatload of people that purely PvP in this game, and is what used to motivate some PvE people, at the top end.
 

QuantumPion

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Our rival alliance guild got 3 warglaives 3 weeks in a row, first their top rogue got both and then their top dps warrior got the MH. The top horde guilds were furious.

As for our guild, we have never seen a belt of blasting pattern. We have 15-20 of all the other patterns, as well as >100 vortexes between 3 tailors, yet have never gotten the pattern. Also, we haven't gotten any den mother's treads yet, to my dismay, even though the other BT guilds that have been doing BT for less then 1/3 as long as us have gotten and DE'ed multiple of them.
 

Glayde

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We've gotten a single mainhand in 26 kills. One skull which has since left the game. Zero bows. (but 10 of those stupid staffs that are now going to feral druids)

We got our first thunderfury in naxx, and our first belt of blasting pattern after we had killed kael.

 

abaez

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I can't get to the guild website now, but whatever the reasons, 10+ months between any new high end raid content is completely ridiculous for the amount of money that is pouring in.

 

Anubis

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heres the post that Risen made on their site

Ok, so it's a %@!@ty title, sue me. The idea is there, and everyone knows it's true. Blizzard no longer cares about the hardcore gamers, be that the raiders or the pvpers. Well, we're done with it. It wasn't just one thing really. While we were all excited to get some tier6 for our freshly 70 alts from this new badge gear, there's a part of you that just has to feel some pain when you look back at all the time you spent farming instances...for nothing.

About 2 weeks ago it became official. No, Risen is not a dead guild. We are a group of gamers that likes being the best we can be. Well, WoW isn't about that anymore, so we are taking WoW for what it is - casual. Some of us may be around running their casual content as they release it, others of us are taking an even more casual approach and deactivating until Wrath. It's kinda funny really. Shortly after making this decision, it was announced that Karazhan would now drop TEN epic gems per clear. Wow, that's more than we get in Hyjal half the time (not to mention that can be 10 spinels, not 9 emeralds and a lionseye!). I was just about to get pissed off when I read that, then I remembered it didn't affect me anymore and a wave of calm relief passed over me.

Not having been back in Black Temple for 2 weeks was kind of nice as well. As much as I loved still trying to complete our first warglaive set (along with Nihilum, DnT, and Vodka I believe?), it's nice not having to worry about it anymore. No longer have to worry that the 200th US guild to kill Illidan has 4x the warglaives that we have (3rd US?). And looking to the future, damn am I glad we won't have to farm Sunwell like we did Naxx. Not that we have anything to show for Naxx or BT. I'm sure Sunwell will be different, right?

But ya know, forget all that. What happened to the competition? What happened to the encounters that took time to learn? In BT PTR I said this, and people told me it would be different on live. It sure didn't seem that way to me. Nihilum praised the Souls encounter and Illidan both. Neither of those seemed even remotely challenging. Well, Sunwell PTR seems even worse. Granted, we quit before some of the later encounters...but if that instance is what we've been farming BT for 8 months waiting for then well, this post speaks for itself.

Well Blizzard, it was a fun 3 years. You want a casual game, we're playing your game casually. See you again in the expac. We'll give it another try most likely, see if anything has changed. In the meanwhile, if anyone has any suggestions for us, feel free to let us know (or if any devs from other games want a top guild to help with beta-testing! ^.^)! In the meanwhile, can look us up in other games (TF2, DotA, FFXI, and more).

-Failure
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: abaez
I can't get to the guild website now, but whatever the reasons, 10+ months between any new high end raid content is completely ridiculous for the amount of money that is pouring in.

But it's ridiculous for how many people? =\
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: abaez
I can't get to the guild website now, but whatever the reasons, 10+ months between any new high end raid content is completely ridiculous for the amount of money that is pouring in.

But it's ridiculous for how many people? =\

enough

if the raiding core dies WoW will die
 

Beev

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Originally posted by: Anubis
enough

if the raiding core dies WoW will die

100% false. Raiders are the minority. If, hypothetically, every raider quit playing, WoW would still probably have 4/5 of it's subscribers. The raiders do not, have never, and will never run WoW.
 
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