The Anti-SUV brigade just need to get over themselves :P

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Aquila76
I'm not against SUV's for occasional use. Like ScoobMaster says, when it comes to towing camping stuff or otherwise actually using the 'Utility' capabilities of an SUV they're unbeatable. I love when my whole family gets together for some quality time like this each year. However, this accounts for probably 5% of the use of these vehicles in the USA, and far less in the cites.
In my city, SUV's are driven for nothing more than showing off. They are also apparently purchased by people with the worst driving habits - fail to stop at 4-way intersections, fail to yield at mergings, blow through red lights to make their right turn, etc. - all because they think they can intimdate and force their way. Don't even get me started on the soccer-mom epidemic. While these vehicles can serve a purpose, they should remain just that - specific purpose, limited use vehicles - and not daily drivers. If you live in the wilds of Wyoming or the Outback of Australia where there are poor roads or often no roads, then an SUV suits your needs for a vehicle and that's fine with me. But in a town/city with paved maintained roads and highways, SUV's are nothing more than sight-constricting unfriendly-to-the-environment vehicles.

Good call. I know a guy who stopped driving a new BMW to get a Cadillac Escalade JUST TO SHOW OFF HIS MONEY. IMHO, there are many cars in that price range that look a hell of a lot cooler.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
here's what it is to me:

your SUV is a PHYSICAL DANGER to me and those I love. so yes, FVCK YOU for driving one if you don't need it. because anyone who fvcks with my personal safety, especially if it's just to look cool (if you think "soccer mom" is cool) can go fvck themselves. let me put it this way: if i ran through your home every day with a running chain saw because i thought it was cool and i like to pretend i might need to cut down a tree there some day, how would that make you feel?

ironically, SUV's have been proven time and time again to be more dangerous for those who drive them, too, but that's not my concern, just like someone eating fast food isn't my concern... and that's why the OP's analogy is totally bogus: it is completely beside the POINT.

of course, SUV's don't have to be so dangerous to everyone else on the road! it's just that manufacturers are too cheap and lazy to build strong and properly placed bumpers for them. On many SUV's, the bumper is purely cosmetic, or missing entirely. So when the SUV driver rear-ends someone, there's no chance for either vehicle's crumple zones to work. What happens is that super-strong truck frame goes right for the car driver's head, and there's nothing to slow it down. It doesn't have to be that way, but as long as regulations and consumers don't care, it's not going to change.

If SUV's were driven by people who need them, and driven like the vehicles they are: big, lumbering, dangerous vehicles that require caution, low speeds, and defensive driving, I wouldn't have an issue with them.

QFT

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
here's what it is to me:

your SUV is a PHYSICAL DANGER to me and those I love. so yes, FVCK YOU for driving one if you don't need it. because anyone who fvcks with my personal safety, especially if it's just to look cool (if you think "soccer mom" is cool) can go fvck themselves. let me put it this way: if i ran through your home every day with a running chain saw because i thought it was cool and i like to pretend i might need to cut down a tree there some day, how would that make you feel?

ironically, SUV's have been proven time and time again to be more dangerous for those who drive them, too, but that's not my concern, just like someone eating fast food isn't my concern... and that's why the OP's analogy is totally bogus: it is completely beside the POINT.

of course, SUV's don't have to be so dangerous to everyone else on the road! it's just that manufacturers are too cheap and lazy to build strong and properly placed bumpers for them. On many SUV's, the bumper is purely cosmetic, or missing entirely. So when the SUV driver rear-ends someone, there's no chance for either vehicle's crumple zones to work. What happens is that super-strong truck frame goes right for the car driver's head, and there's nothing to slow it down. It doesn't have to be that way, but as long as regulations and consumers don't care, it's not going to change.

If SUV's were driven by people who need them, and driven like the vehicles they are: big, lumbering, dangerous vehicles that require caution, low speeds, and defensive driving, I wouldn't have an issue with them.

QFT

Here have some :cheese: to go along with all the :wine:

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
By the way Dug, there is only one SUV with solid axles being sold in America anymore- the Jeep Wrangler. And a lot of them are switching to fully independent suspension.

No, the Land Rover


How about four-wheel independent suspension? Heck, how about four-wheel double-wishbone (aka double A-arm) suspension? Let's add light alloy wheels and inboard braking just for extra handling?

This stuff isn't making it to the market for the same reasons why SUVs are built like crap: car companies are money-hungry thieves.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: desy
😀
Well if they build it like those Mercedes Smart Cars should be pretty safe.
Personally I wouldn't want to haul kids around in one, but it would be a real nice vehicle for say a 2 car family as a city runabout and so forth.
The interesting part is the recyclable plastics made from organic materials as evidence we hopefully will be able to get a car much 'greener' bumper to bumper not just what is under the hood.

If it's light, it'll be a good candidate for aftermarket rice parts.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Injury
Your argument sucks because fast food is not a limited or highly required resource.

So you are saying you would have no problem with an alternative fuel SUV?

No, it's fluid mechanics. Their gas milage would still suck on the highways, no matter what's under the hood.

Are you quite down? Jesus ****** christ, are you going to make a new post for every stupid comment you make?

There are a couple topics for which I have a passion and can't resist discussing, and on the very top of that list, I'd have to say it'd be "cars."

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Injury
Your argument sucks because fast food is not a limited or highly required resource.

So you are saying you would have no problem with an alternative fuel SUV?

No, it's fluid mechanics. Their gas milage would still suck on the highways, no matter what's under the hood.

Are you quite down? Jesus ****** christ, are you going to make a new post for every stupid comment you make?

There are a couple topics for which I have a passion and can't resist discussing, and on the very top of that list, I'd have to say it'd be "cars."

Well you are proving how short sighted and intolerant you are.

BTW, you are showing how much of a car enthusiast you are with that Land Rover comment. No Land Rover sold in the US has solid axles.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Injury
Your argument sucks because fast food is not a limited or highly required resource.

So you are saying you would have no problem with an alternative fuel SUV?

No, it's fluid mechanics. Their gas milage would still suck on the highways, no matter what's under the hood.

Are you quite down? Jesus ****** christ, are you going to make a new post for every stupid comment you make?

There are a couple topics for which I have a passion and can't resist discussing, and on the very top of that list, I'd have to say it'd be "cars."

Do you frequently have discussions with yourself? Because you're the only one posting in this thread. 😕

 

[dug777]

Seriously, go & cry about obesity boys 😉

like i said, it kills more yanks, and costs YOU far more than a SUVs by a vast margin, so get a real cause why don't you?

😛

 

[WT]

Anyone up for a good old fashioned seal bashing this weekend ????





I'm kidding, I really like seals.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Injury
Your argument sucks because fast food is not a limited or highly required resource.

So you are saying you would have no problem with an alternative fuel SUV?

No, it's fluid mechanics. Their gas milage would still suck on the highways, no matter what's under the hood.

Are you quite down? Jesus ****** christ, are you going to make a new post for every stupid comment you make?

There are a couple topics for which I have a passion and can't resist discussing, and on the very top of that list, I'd have to say it'd be "cars."

Well you are proving how short sighted and intolerant you are.

BTW, you are showing how much of a car enthusiast you are with that Land Rover comment. No Land Rover sold in the US has solid axles.

The Land Rover Discovery, Discovery II, and Range Rover all had solid axles. You're probably thinking of the Land Rover III.

 

[piasabird]

Personally I hate SUV's but some people like them. I cant see buying a big hunk of junk SUV, but if you want one go ahead and spend your hard earned money. Just dont complain about the price of gas!

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Dug you have to realize we live in America, not Australia. People really don't use their SUVs here, wherease over there if someone has a Nissan Patrol or Toyota 70, it's for a good reason.

Seriously. If you USE an SUV or truck, then by god it was a good purchase. But when you have soccer Mom's carting around the rugrats in a V10 Excursion, while cautiously going over railroad tracks at 0.3mph, I have a damn good reason to hate them.

I also hate fat people who do nothing but push themselves further to morbid obesity. I'm not skinny, but I workout pretty regularly and my diet isn't too bad either.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Aquila76
Nothing's better for a laugh than watching one of these poor women trying to back their Tahoe out of a parking space at WalMart.

Hahahahaha, oh so true

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: dug777
Seriously, go & cry about obesity boys 😉

like i said, it kills more yanks, and costs YOU far more than a SUVs by a vast margin, so get a real cause why don't you?

😛

See, the problem is there are too many "causes" to take up in America. The fat, the poor, the oppressed, the old people who can't drive but no one will take away their drivers licenses, the damn australians who run their mouth :Q

😛

You get the point 😉

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: Aquila76
Nothing's better for pissing you off than watching one of these poor women take 10 minutes to back their Tahoe into a parking space at WalMart. And when they're done it's still taking up three spaces and half of the lane between the rows.

Hahahahaha, oh so true

fixed.