The Answer Isn't Socialism; It's Capitalism That Better Spreads the Benefits

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of the Productivity Revolution

By Robert Reich

Francois Hollande's victory doesn't and shouldn't mean a movement toward socialism in Europe or elsewhere. Socialism isn't the answer to the basic problem haunting all rich nations.

The answer is to reform capitalism. The world's productivity revolution is outpacing the political will of rich societies to fairly distribute its benefits. The result is widening inequality coupled with slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment.

In the United States, almost all the gains from productivity growth have been going to the top 1 percent, and the percent of the working-age population with jobs is now lower than it's been in more than thirty years (before the vast majority of women moved into paid work).

Inequality is also growing in Europe, along with chronic joblessness. Europe is finding it can no longer afford generous safety nets to catch everyone who has fallen out of the working economy.

Consumers in China are gaining ground but consumption continues to shrink as a share of China's increasingly productive economy, while inequality in China is soaring. China's wealthy elites are emulating the most conspicuous consumption of the rich in the West.

At the heart of the productivity revolution are the computers, software, and the Internet that have found their way into the production of almost everything a modern economy creates. Factory workers are being replaced by computerized machine tools and robotics; office workers, by software applications; professionals, by ever more specialized apps; communications and transportation workers, by the Internet.

Some work continues to be outsourced abroad to very low-wage workers in developing nations but this is not the major cause of the present trend. This work now comprises such a tiny fraction of the costs of production that it's becoming cheaper for companies to do more of it at home with computers and software, and even bring back some of it ("in-source") from abroad.

Consumers in rich nations are reaping some of the benefits of the productivity revolution in the form of lower prices or more value for the money -- consider the cost of color TVs, international phone calls, or cross-country flights compared to what they were before.

But most of the gains are going to the shareholders who own the companies, and to the relatively small number of very talented (or very lucky and well-connected) managers, engineers, designers, and legal or financial specialists on whom the companies depend for strategic decisions about what to produce and how.

Increasingly, via stock options and bonuses, the owners and the "talent" are one and the same. While many other people indirectly own shares of stock through their pensions and 401-K plans, 90 percent of the value of all financial assets in the U.S. belongs to the richest 10 percent of the American population.

Meanwhile, a large number of low-paid service workers sell personalized comfort and attention -- something software can't do -- in the retail, restaurant, hotel, and hospital sectors (most U.S. job growth since 2009 has occurred here.) Others -- temps, contract workers, the under- and partially-employed, fill in where they can. A growing number are not working.

The problem is not that the productivity revolution has caused unemployment or under-employment. The problem is its fruits haven't been widely shared. Less work isn't a bad thing. Most people prefer leisure. A productivity revolution such as we are experiencing should enable people to spend less time at work and have more time to do whatever they'd rather do.

The problem comes in the distribution of the benefits of the productivity revolution. A large portion of the population no longer earns the money it needs to live nearly as well as the productivity revolution would otherwise allow. It can't afford the "leisure" its now experiencing involuntarily.

Not only is this a problem for them; it's also a problem for the overall economy. It means that a growing portion of the population lacks the purchasing power to keep the economy going. In the United States, consumers account for 70 percent of economic activity. If they as a whole cannot afford to buy all the goods and services the productivity revolution is generating, the economy becomes stymied. Growth is anemic; unemployment remains high.

That's why "supply-side" tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy are perverse. Corporations and the rich don't need more tax cuts; they're swimming in money as it is. The reason they don't invest in additional productive capacity and hire more people is they don't see a sufficient market for the added goods and services, which means an inadequate return on such investment.

But more Keynesian stimulus won't help solve the more fundamental problem. Although added government spending has gone some way toward filling the gap in demand caused by consumers whose jobs and incomes are disappearing, it can't be a permanent solution. Even if the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes, deficits would soon get out of control. Additional public investments in infrastructure and basic research and development can make the economy more productive - but more productivity doesn't necessarily help if a growing portion of the population can't absorb it.

What to do? Learn from our own history.

The last great surge in productivity occurred between 1870 and 1928, when the technologies of the first industrial revolution were combined with steam power and electricity, mass produced in giant companies enjoying vast economies of scale, and supplied and distributed over a widening system of rails. That ended abruptly in the Great Crash of 1929, when income and wealth had become so concentrated at the top (the owners and financiers of these vast combines) that most people couldn't pay for all these new products and services without going deeply and hopelessly into debt -- resulting in a bubble that loudly and inevitably popped.

If that sounds familiar, it should. A similar thing happened between 1980 and 2007, when productivity revolution of computers, software, and, eventually, the Internet spawned a new economy along with great fortunes. (It's not coincidental that 1928 and 2007 mark the two peaks of income concentration in America over the last hundred years, in which the top 1 percent raked in over 23 percent of total income.)

But here's the big difference. During the Depression decade of the 1930s, the nation reorganized itself so that the gains from growth were far more broadly distributed. The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 recognized unions' rights to collectively bargain, and imposed a duty on employers to bargain in good faith. By the 1950s, a third of all workers in the United States were unionized, giving them the power to demand some of the gains from growth. Meanwhile, Social Security, unemployment insurance, and worker's compensation spread a broad safety net. The forty-hour workweek with time-and-a-half for overtime also helped share the work and spread the gains, as did a minimum wage. In 1965, Medicare and Medicaid broadened access to health care. And a progressive income tax, reaching well over 70 percent on the highest incomes, also helped ensure that the gains were spread fairly.

This time, though, the nation has taken no similar steps. Quite the contrary: A resurgent right insists on even more tax breaks for corporations and the rich, massive cuts in public spending that will destroy what's left of our safety nets, including Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, fewer rights for organized labor, more deregulation of labor markets, and a lower (or no) minimum wage.

This is, quite simply, nuts.

And this is why a second Obama administration, should there be one, must focus its attention on more broadly distributing the gains from growth. This doesn't mean "redistributing" from rich to poor, as in a zero-sum game. To the contrary, the rich will do far better with a smaller share of a robust, growing economy than they're doing with a large share of an economy that's barely moving forward.

This will require real tax reform -- not just a "Buffett" minimal tax but substantially higher marginal rates and more brackets at the top, with a capital gains rate matching the income-tax rate. It also means a larger Earned Income Tax Credit, whose benefits extend high into the middle class. That will enable many Americans to move to a 35-hour workweek without losing ground -- thereby making room for more jobs.

It means Medicare for all rather than an absurdly-costly system that relies on private for-profit insurers and providers.

It will require limiting executive salaries and empowering workers to get a larger share of corporate profits. The Employee Free Choice Act should be an explicit part of the second-term agenda.

It will require strict limits on the voracious, irresponsible behavior of Wall Street, from which we've all suffered. The Glass-Steagall Act must be resurrected (the so-called Volcker Rule is more ridden with holes than cheese), and the big banks broken up.

And it will necessitate a public educational system - including early child education - second to none, and available to all our young people.

We don't need socialism. We need a capitalism that works for the vast majority. The productivity revolution should be making our lives better -- not poorer and more insecure. And it will do that when we have the political will to spread its benefits.
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I was inspired to post this, 1. because I have been talking to LunarRay about economics and 2. because I just saw somebody in another thread mention what I call the 'conservative, fuck-yourself-in-the-ass, brain defect that makes progress in anything impossible. Where will the political will come from to save ourselves?

Would the conservatives care to explain why the ideas expressed above must never be implemented? You have been sold an enormous tons of garbage and I invite you to spew it here. I am looking for a fight and I also know I am right, that everything Rich says needs to happen does need to happen. So lay out your pathetic arguments and I'll prove it.
 
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It also means a larger Earned Income Tax Credit, whose benefits extend high into the middle class. That will enable many Americans to move to a 35-hour workweek without losing ground

Idiot, and unicorns will all come out of the sky with piles of money and dish it out like Santa.
 

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It also means a larger Earned Income Tax Credit, whose benefits extend high into the middle class. That will enable many Americans to move to a 35-hour workweek without losing ground -- thereby making room for more jobs.

Because the EITC is basically just welfare renamed to as a Tax Credit.

If you look at it, it basically gives money to poor people with children (sound similar to welfare?). With a bare pittance to single people (probably to help cover up its true purpose)
 

werepossum

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Because Robert Reich is a moron. He is just trying to re-label Socialism.
Exactly. "We don't need socialism, we need socialism re-labeled as capitalism" is just too moronic to be taken seriously.

Robert Reich needs to spend more time on his remedial hand tools identification exercises and less time trying to sell socialism with obfuscation.
 

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We were soooooo close. I mean so close to completely demolishing the 1% and the .001%. But we just HAD to turn on the printing presses and bail them out because somehow market performance relates to middle and lower class income and employment.

With welfare and unemployment already in place, the spate of unemployed wouldn't have felt much hardship. The market could have liquidated, wealth of the top 1% would have been reduced by 10fold, and .001% probably closer to 50. The bailouts served their purpose though, common folk get to deal with 10% employment in metro areas while the stock market is back to 13,000.
 

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Because the EITC is basically just welfare renamed to as a Tax Credit.

If you look at it, it basically gives money to poor people with children (sound similar to welfare?). With a bare pittance to single people (probably to help cover up its true purpose)

Boy, wait till you hear about Milton Friedman, he wanted to give them a negative income tax, and that would have covered people WITHOUT children too.
 

Jaskalas

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Your 'better' Capitalism should be tried and practiced in States that are willing to have it. If it is so glorious as you say then no doubt you'll grow richer and we'll grow poorer. Then we'll be crying like babies to emulate your greatness.

So go on Lefties, drop the Federal mandate and go for the gold without 'brain damaged' conservatives holding you back. Go prove your greatness and then get back to us on that.
 

Matt1970

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Your 'better' Capitalism should be tried and practiced in States that are willing to have it. If it is so glorious as you say then no doubt you'll grow richer and we'll grow poorer. Then we'll be crying like babies to emulate your greatness.

So go on Lefties, drop the Federal mandate and go for the gold without 'brain damaged' conservatives holding you back. Go prove your greatness and then get back to us on that.

We don't need to do that. Just wait and see what happens to France.
 
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Your 'better' Capitalism should be tried and practiced in States that are willing to have it. If it is so glorious as you say then no doubt you'll grow richer and we'll grow poorer. Then we'll be crying like babies to emulate your greatness.

So go on Lefties, drop the Federal mandate and go for the gold without 'brain damaged' conservatives holding you back. Go prove your greatness and then get back to us on that.

States are not the answer you are looking for. How would you test such a system in any state in the US when they could just move to a state not doing it? To do something of that scale would be an all or nothing approach. The idea of states trying this only sounds good and i agree. But it could never be given a fair shake doing it that way.
 

Matt1970

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He is trying to play it both ways. Blame the wealth at the top on lower taxes but then turn around and say they will make just as much with higher taxes. Just check my drivers license and it confirms, I wasn't born last week.

It means Medicare for all rather than an absurdly-costly system that relies on private for-profit insurers and providers.

That shouldn't be but another Trillion or so. Of course you will have to put off the guaranteed, house, car, Masters Degree, cellphone, laptop and big screen TV for all.
 

Matt1970

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States are not the answer you are looking for. How would you test such a system in any state in the US when they could just move to a state not doing it? To do something of that scale would be an all or nothing approach. The idea of states trying this only sounds good and i agree. But it could never be given a fair shake doing it that way.

Why would anyone want to move away from such a noble plan? It guarantees the same success for the upper 1% while dishing out boat loads of money to the lesser classes.
 

fskimospy

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That shouldn't be but another Trillion or so. Of course you will have to put off the guaranteed, house, car, Masters Degree, cellphone, laptop and big screen TV for all.

How would Medicare for all cost an extra trillion or so? I don't think you've thought this through.
 

Matt1970

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How would Medicare for all cost an extra trillion or so? I don't think you've thought this through.

Adding 200 Million people onto the Medicare role since you are doing away with private insurance. It more than triples the amount of people on it now and we spent just under $800 Billion on Medicare/Medicaid for 2010.
 

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He is trying to play it both ways. Blame the wealth at the top on lower taxes but then turn around and say they will make just as much with higher taxes. Just check my drivers license and it confirms, I wasn't born last week.



That shouldn't be but another Trillion or so. Of course you will have to put off the guaranteed, house, car, Masters Degree, cellphone, laptop and big screen TV for all.

Federal programs by law not able to negotiate for price are a laugh. You do see the denial of the Capitalist system in this?
 

fskimospy

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Adding 200 Million people onto the Medicare role since you are doing away with private insurance. It more than triples the amount of people on it now and we spent just under $800 Billion on Medicare/Medicaid for 2010.

So why would that cost an extra trillion dollars? Think about it for a minute.
 

Matt1970

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So why would that cost an extra trillion dollars? Think about it for a minute.

Bye Bye private Insurance, Hello 200 Million new people on Government Health Care. You might fit that under a Trillion if you can get the cost of insuring each person under $5,000 a year.
 

fskimospy

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Bye Bye private Insurance, Hello 200 Million new people on Government Health Care. You might fit that under a Trillion if you can get the cost of insuring each person under $5,000 a year.

Right. So where's the cost? Do you believe private insurance is free?
 

werepossum

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States are not the answer you are looking for. How would you test such a system in any state in the US when they could just move to a state not doing it? To do something of that scale would be an all or nothing approach. The idea of states trying this only sounds good and i agree. But it could never be given a fair shake doing it that way.
The one thing common to all progressive plans is that they can only work if implemented by everyone. Strange how any possible alternative always makes proggie plans fail. It's almost like having something with which to compare them makes them fail . . .

Kind of like how we can save $400 billion in Medicare waste, fraud and abuse - but only if we first spend that $400 billion on something else.
 

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Exactly. "We don't need socialism, we need socialism re-labeled as capitalism" is just too moronic to be taken seriously.

Robert Reich needs to spend more time on his remedial hand tools identification exercises and less time trying to sell socialism with obfuscation.

What's the point in quibbling with his choice of words, i.e. how he chooses to label something? I think we're entitled to infer that the semantic argument being advanced by conservatives in this thread does nothing but poorly mask their inability to actually confront the substantive points being made.

Reich is correct. The American conservative economic agenda will not promote American prosperity.
 

fskimospy

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So the Governemnt isn't going to pick up the check in the Socialist Nightmare Plan?

Your choice of labels for things says a lot about how deeply trapped you are in your own ideology.

The government will pay for increased medicare enrollments. Presumably since everyone in the US will be on public insurance in that situation, private insurance costs will decline hugely. If the US stops spending $1 trillion on private health care and starts spending $1 trillion on public health care, it's awfully hard to see that as 'costing' $1 trillion.