Murloc: That's cool but even religious people aren't like this. Most religious people just believe and follow moral standards because someone told them to, but can still be as unhappy as the atheists in their life and be unhappy about petty things.
I think you center the point of religion but many religious people don't.
Mo: Well my answer to that is that what you describe as religious people aren't in fact actually religious but only imagine that they are. But this is not so for all of them and who would not envy them because life can be no other way than as it is. The moving finger writes and having done so moves on and we can't erase a single jot of it. Is it not wise then to understand that existential pain is the result of attachment to the will of the ego over against surrender to ones immutable fate?
Mu: Only a personally developed spirituality would allow for this, the societal religions inherited from your parents are useless.
Mo: But the foundations for this understanding are all there in religion front and center. It is the ego that obscures them and it is surely the ego that is the enemy of religion.
Mu: I just don't believe so I make do.
Mo: I know. Me too. But if you think about it maybe you will agree that what Christ did was to illustrate the path to personal redemption. He suffered and died on the cross and rose from the dead to show you the way, that for everything about God's will that you reject and will not accept, you have been forgiven. What Christ said, in my opinion, is that if you but suffer and die you will not suffer for it is the real and total expression and feeling of grief that heals us completely. To surrender is to feel what you really do feel. This is what I think the Buddha did under the bo tree.
To be open to pain, to feel all of it to the fullest is to end fear, to become the moving finger, to be the ink. To be in the now is to end internal division.
The ego can't ever will itself to be. There is nothing one can become that one hasn't always been. There is nothing we can do but let go of everything.
Our pain is the impotency of our rage, the delusion of duality, the hate of the self against the self, our delusional feelings of guilt and sin made possible by language, the belief in put downs, abstract ideas like good and evil that do not exist. Only via words would we have ever turned against ourselves with the thought that we are worthless.
You may find many a neurotic animal that has been around people, but you will never find one who feels itself to be worthless, one who tortures itself by thinking.
All those thoughts have their origin in feelings we are afraid to feel but when felt to their roots, end there. To open ones heart to ones own grief is to heal, to return to the source of joy and being. This is what I believe. But more than believing, I know just a bit of this personally. I used to have such big good hands, but I was defeated by the Nothing. But to my utter and complete amazement, when I surrendered, it did too.