The Amish vote.

Ferocious

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The word on the street kinda of thing:

Supposedly many Amish people (who I've been told rarely vote) are energized this year and are going to be voting for Bush.

They are vehemently against same-sex marriage at all costs. And they want that constitutional ammendment.

 

Crimson

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Woot! Nice to have the Amish on board the neocon train... (Ride that choo-choo! WOO WOO!) Love their sofas and beds.. great quality stuff.
 

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It's an interesting debate in the Amish community in NC (which is one of the fastest growing in the country). Obviously, the Amish are socially conservative so if you show up talking about traditional families and protecting life . . . they are quite attentive. On the otherhand, the few I know are less than enthused by Iraq (and the militant nature of Busheviks).

My understanding is that the Bush campaign was really trying to drum up support in Amish communities.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
The word on the street kinda of thing:

Supposedly many Amish people (who I've been told rarely vote) are energized this year and are going to be voting for Bush.

They are vehemently against same-sex marriage at all costs. And they want that constitutional ammendment.
Why do they get to vote if they don't pay taxes? Representation without taxation?
 

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This is a Bs Thread started by someone who has no concept of Amish Life and their Lack of concern with the world outside of their communities "politically that is".
 

Ferocious

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They do pay taxes of course.

My understanding is that in certain groups, social security tax is avoided because they have shown to take care of their own and be self-sufficient in later years.

 

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
The word on the street kinda of thing:

Supposedly many Amish people (who I've been told rarely vote) are energized this year and are going to be voting for Bush.

They are vehemently against same-sex marriage at all costs. And they want that constitutional ammendment.
Originally posted by: smashp
This is a Bs Thread started by someone who has no concept of Amish Life and their Lack of concern with the world outside of their communities "politically that is".
Actually not. Bush operatives are said to be having a fair degree of success amongst many Amish with this wedge issue.

The saddest part of all this is that the Amish are supposed to be strict pacifists. :(
BIRD-IN-HAND, Pa. (AP) - The Amish live without electricity, cars, telephones, and usually, without voting. But they are being sought out this year as Republicans try to sign up every possible supporter in presidential battleground states.

Amish almost always side with the Republican Party when they do vote ? making them an attractive, if unlikely, voting bloc in the neck-and-neck campaign between President Bush and Democratic nominee John Kerry. A majority of the nation's Amish live in key swing states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

"Pennsylvania and Ohio are just absolute battleground states, and to think that the Amish could weigh in to the tune of thousands of votes that are clearly going to be Republican ? that could be very significant for Bush," said Chet Beiler, a former Amish who has been dropping off voter registration forms at Amish businesses and farms in hopes of signing up as many as 3,000 new voters.

As pacifists, most Amish avoid political activity that they believe would link them even indirectly with government-sponsored violence. But hot-button social issues, coupled with gentle prompting from people like Beiler, are galvanizing some Amish to register to vote.

"We hate that abortion issue," said Sam Stoltzfus, 60, an Amish farmer and gazebo maker in Pennsylvania's Lancaster County, where an estimated 27,000 Amish live. "We're totally against it. And as far as gay issues, that's completely contrary to the Bible."

The bearded Stoltzfus proudly says the Amish are "sort of swept up with Bush fever."

"You could hold up a dead mouse with a sign 'I love Bush' and we'd still probably think twice about stomping that mouse underfoot."

An estimated 180,000 Amish live in 28 states and Ontario. They are a reserved, Christian subculture in rural areas who descend from Swiss Germans and settled in Lancaster County in the early 1700s as part of William Penn's "holy experiment" in religious tolerance. The Amish do not drive cars, watch TV or use telephones in their homes, and are instantly recognizable by their horse-driven buggies and plain garb, bonnets and straw hats.

Physically casting a ballot will not be a problem for Amish in Lancaster County, where mechanical lever voting machines are still used.

"Their basic political inclinations are traditional and conservative," said Don Kraybill, a sociologist of Anabaptist studies at Elizabethtown College in Lancaster. "Although the Amish are not politically active, they make an enticing target for Republicans, politically, because they are likely going to vote Republican."

But experts believe fewer than 10 percent of Amish ever vote, and the prospect of them turning out in great numbers in November is "not going to happen," Kraybill said. "These things occur gradually, over 30 to 40 years ? not quickly."

Neither presidential campaign is targeting the Amish, although Bush privately met with about 30 Amish during a July 9 campaign trip through Lancaster County. Earlier this year, the Bush administration relaxed federal labor laws to let Amish teenagers work near dangerous woodworking machines. The Amish had lobbied for the changes for years.

Democrats have all but ceded the Amish vote to Republicans.

"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

Not all Amish are comfortable with the Bush administration ? particularly the president's decision to invade Iraq. But John Fisher, who welds iron products in Lancaster and is father of seven children, said Bush's "focus on the family" will win his vote.

Of the war, "something needed to be done," said Fisher, a member of Lancaster's Amish community. "I don't agree with war at all. But he had to do what he had to do."

In Ohio, Amish have begun reaching out to the state Republican Party to learn more about Bush, said party spokesman Jason Mauk. An estimated 55,000 Amish live in Ohio ? more than in any other state.

"A lot of Amish Ohioans respect the president as a man of faith and someone who leads with conviction," Mauk said. "These are people who care about our religious freedom and the moral fabric of society. That's motivating a lot of Amish to do what they have not done before, and reach out to us to start a dialogue."

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I hear the Amish love wars, tax cuts for the rich and dumping in the environment too.
 

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The few Quakers I've known, whose philosophy is similar to the Amish, would regard Bush's "God speaks thru me" comment as the height of arrogance, and conceit, an insult to God and their sensibilities...
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The few Quakers I've known, whose philosophy is similar to the Amish, would regard Bush's "God speaks thru me" comment as the height of arrogance, and conceit, an insult to God and their sensibilities...
Although your point about how most Quakers would view such a statement by Bush is quite correct, the idea that Quaker philopsophy is similar to that of the Amish is highly misleading.

Quakers may seem similar to Amish from some mainstream viewpoint (they both profess to be pacifist), but the down home fundamentalist Old Testament Bible literalism of the Amish is as different from the enlightened Quakers (they have no ministers and Quakers are deeply and profoundly encouraged to think for themselves) as neocon nasties are from true Christian liberals.

In many important ways, you couldn't GET more different. I know, I have had extensive contacts with both groups. I went to a Quaker college. I have attended Sunday Quaker service (Meeting) off and on for the last 30 years. I have also taken several classes at a Quaker retreat, Pendle Hill. My Dad's second wife was/is Quaker.

In the course of my long spiritual journey, I have even belonged to a Mennonite Church (they ARE similar to the Amish, especially the old order Mennonites), The one I belonged to was the oldest such congregation in North America, founded in 1687.

I get my milk from Mennonites, certified raw, unpasturized and unhomogenized, straight from their cows. There is nothing like the cream that forms at the top of unhomoginezed milk -- it takes me back to England.

Within a 20 mile radius of my home, there are several Quaker Meetinghouses and several Mennonite Churches. There is one in my (extremely small) hometown of Plumsteadville. From the link:
RELIGION
Most early settlers where English Quakers. The Plumstead Friends Meeting, was founded in 1727 and was the township's first religious establishment. A German Mennonite church was set up in Groveland in 1806.
I lived for a time in Lancaster County, just one hour West of where I now live, amongst the Amish. My then gf was a social worker who had extensive contact with Amish families who were foster parents to inner city kids. I know their beleifs, lifestyles and mores up front and personal.

Despite what look like surface similarities from afar, Quakers /= Amish.
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
They do pay taxes of course.

My understanding is that in certain groups, social security tax is avoided because they have shown to take care of their own and be self-sufficient in later years.

And they have been granted exemptions from some school taxes as well, since they have their own. (In fact, this line of Court decisions was part of the rationale in the voucher cases.)
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The few Quakers I've known, whose philosophy is similar to the Amish, would regard Bush's "God speaks thru me" comment as the height of arrogance, and conceit, an insult to God and their sensibilities...

I'm a Quaker and we're not like the Amish. (though I too, like Perknose, get real milk from them on occasion) :)
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Woot! Nice to have the Amish on board the neocon train... (Ride that choo-choo! WOO WOO!) Love their sofas and beds.. great quality stuff.

Train? Don't you mean buggy?