The American Dollar is going Bye Bye.

esquared

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Seriously. Are we tired of winning?
I just pray that we have something left of this country
when we get rid of him.

Remember folks to vote in 2020
Your country depends on it.
 

Jhhnn

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Despite Trump over playing America's hand rather badly the dollar's grip on world financial markets is very strong. Over 60% of the World's reserve currency is dollars.
 

Greenman

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I thought you fellows wanted sanctions against Russia? Did you think they would just bend over and grab their knees?
 

nickqt

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I thought you fellows wanted sanctions against Russia? Did you think they would just bend over and grab their knees?
Has it been Democrats creating tariffs over the past 2 years? I thought there was a Republican in the White House (of course, if Strongman Trump loses in 2020, Republicans will start white-washing him from their memories and history by saying he was really a Democrat, just like the last failure your party installed in the White House).

Tired of winning, indeed.
 

brycejones

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I thought you fellows wanted sanctions against Russia? Did you think they would just bend over and grab their knees?
This is really driven by the trade war with China. Something that was and is completely unnecessary. If you take China out of the equation this whole thing is doa.
 
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Greenman

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This is really driven by the trade war with China. Something that was and is completely unnecessary. If you take China out of the equation this whole thing is doa.
I think the trade war with China was past due. Sooner or later we were going to have to take some action, might as well get through the ugly part now.
 

Maxima1

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This is really driven by the trade war with China. Something that was and is completely unnecessary. If you take China out of the equation this whole thing is doa.

They've wanted to do this for a long time, and it really doesn't matter all that much. The EU also wanted a strong reserve currency.
 

1prophet

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This is really driven by the trade war with China. Something that was and is completely unnecessary. If you take China out of the equation this whole thing is doa.
The only reason China is in the equation is because of the 1% enjoying the fruits of the cheap labor of a country that woefully disregards or lacks the laws, rules and regulation that protect workers, the environment, etc. that is taken for granted as inalienable rights in western countries, but are a detriment to the money only matters crowd.

China knows this and has longed planned by sacrificing its people and environment while dangling the cheap labor carrot in front of the greed is good profit only matters western corporate executives, so they can get the necessary technical know how in manufacturing.

Thanks to the fallacy known as democracy through free markets promoted by the rich in western countries as some sort of noble cause while they were raking in the dough by telling the people in their own countries how they are only sending over menial blue collar jobs and everyone should go to college and make the big bucks in some office somewhere, except now China has the big bucks while the ever eroding American middle class is drowning in debt and continuous lower standard of living.

And before the but Trump or blame Trump crowd chimes in, the truth is someone like Trump doing what he is doing is the equivalent of showing up a day late and a dollar short to close the barn door long after the horse has already left,

The democrat party should have prevented this a long time ago by realizing the purpose of outsourcing to China was just an end run around the hard fought, labor, safety, environmental laws, as well as wages and benefits, unfortunately too many republican lite types (Clintons and their cronies) corrupted the party while pretending to still care about the unions, labor, wages etc. for people voting for them.

China should have been held to the same standards for selling to the USA as American Domestic companies were when they were like this top picture.

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Just don't see how America is going to get out of the hole they dug themselves into while raising up China to the picture below and that was about 10 years ago.
 

Mai72

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ivwshane

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The only reason China is in the equation is because of the 1% enjoying the fruits of the cheap labor of a country that woefully disregards or lacks the laws, rules and regulation that protect workers, the environment, etc. that is taken for granted as inalienable rights in western countries, but are a detriment to the money only matters crowd.

China knows this and has longed planned by sacrificing its people and environment while dangling the cheap labor carrot in front of the greed is good profit only matters western corporate executives, so they can get the necessary technical know how in manufacturing.

Thanks to the fallacy known as democracy through free markets promoted by the rich in western countries as some sort of noble cause while they were raking in the dough by telling the people in their own countries how they are only sending over menial blue collar jobs and everyone should go to college and make the big bucks in some office somewhere, except now China has the big bucks while the ever eroding American middle class is drowning in debt and continuous lower standard of living.

And before the but Trump or blame Trump crowd chimes in, the truth is someone like Trump doing what he is doing is the equivalent of showing up a day late and a dollar short to close the barn door long after the horse has already left,

The democrat party should have prevented this a long time ago by realizing the purpose of outsourcing to China was just an end run around the hard fought, labor, safety, environmental laws, as well as wages and benefits, unfortunately too many republican lite types (Clintons and their cronies) corrupted the party while pretending to still care about the unions, labor, wages etc. for people voting for them.

China should have been held to the same standards for selling to the USA as American Domestic companies were when they were like this top picture.

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Just don't see how America is going to get out of the hole they dug themselves into while raising up China to the picture below and that was about 10 years ago.

The Democrat party should have fixed it? Fuck you. Although this is the one time you can use "both sides".

The TPP was the answer you were looking for. What was your position on it again? Yeah, you aren't blameless.
 
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cytg111

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I thought you fellows wanted sanctions against Russia? Did you think they would just bend over and grab their knees?
You know the "enemy of my enemy...", well, this is what is going on here... You read about Russia and Chinas joined military excersice over south korea too right? Building their own axis/response to NATO as well?
Trump is giving away all your cards here... in broad daylight...
The victim? Democracy.
Pulling the strings? Ill let you watch this one more time
You cant possibly be in doubt as to where Trumps loyalties lie after that.
 
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Mai72

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The only reason China is in the equation is because of the 1% enjoying the fruits of the cheap labor of a country that woefully disregards or lacks the laws, rules and regulation that protect workers, the environment, etc. that is taken for granted as inalienable rights in western countries, but are a detriment to the money only matters crowd.

China knows this and has longed planned by sacrificing its people and environment while dangling the cheap labor carrot in front of the greed is good profit only matters western corporate executives, so they can get the necessary technical know how in manufacturing.

Thanks to the fallacy known as democracy through free markets promoted by the rich in western countries as some sort of noble cause while they were raking in the dough by telling the people in their own countries how they are only sending over menial blue collar jobs and everyone should go to college and make the big bucks in some office somewhere, except now China has the big bucks while the ever eroding American middle class is drowning in debt and continuous lower standard of living.

And before the but Trump or blame Trump crowd chimes in, the truth is someone like Trump doing what he is doing is the equivalent of showing up a day late and a dollar short to close the barn door long after the horse has already left,

The democrat party should have prevented this a long time ago by realizing the purpose of outsourcing to China was just an end run around the hard fought, labor, safety, environmental laws, as well as wages and benefits, unfortunately too many republican lite types (Clintons and their cronies) corrupted the party while pretending to still care about the unions, labor, wages etc. for people voting for them.

China should have been held to the same standards for selling to the USA as American Domestic companies were when they were like this top picture.

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Just don't see how America is going to get out of the hole they dug themselves into while raising up China to the picture below and that was about 10 years ago.

The 1% didn't just benefit. The middle class benefited as well. Cheap labor, cheap products. Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot, Best Buy, Apple etc. Let's not forget this. As a country we've become conditioned to search for low prices. I just picked up a vacuum last month for $45 from Walmart. It was made in China.

Bitcoin might be the way to go.
 

ch33zw1z

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The 1% didn't just benefit. The middle class benefited as well. Cheap labor, cheap products. Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot, Best Buy, Apple etc. Let's not forget this. As a country we've become conditioned to search for low prices. I just picked up a vacuum last month for $45 from Walmart. It was made in China.

Bitcoin might be the way to go.

You're on the surface. The middle class did not benefit in the same way the 1% did, or is still.
 

cytg111

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What you're saying is that it doesn't matter what Trump does, he's wrong. So very strange.
Explain?
And yes, by definition, until proven otherwise case by case, when Trump does something its bad.
Why?
Cause he is taking directions from The Vlad, and The Vlad dont want anything good for you.
You just cant or wont see it. Watch the Helsinki video again. Wonder why Slow havent been inhere yet?