The Alias Killed Bill!

FreshPrince

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well, sarc did, he killed David Carradine's character :D

which brings up the point..did anyone catch Alias instead of 24 tonight? I taped the other show so I'm covered. I like both shows, it's just that tonight's Alias is really good. You can finally see the story getting good again.

spoiler:

tonight they killed 2 characters: sloan and the monk (david carradine), but then Jack revived Sloanjust to torture him some more :p
 

techfuzz

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Any show where David Carradine's character gets offed is great. So much for the Kung Fu master!!

I liked the end when Syd went gung-ho and killed like a dozen guys just to get the hourglass! She kicked some major ass last night. I liked the look she gave her father after she came back and saw Sloan "dead".

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rh71

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I thought for sure that was the end of Sloane. They "hide" things like the wine-consuming just before the execution very well... gives them an "out"... good writing. I can't believe some of this stuff was planned since season 1... or at least they appear to be. Pure genius. I don't know how they could hold onto things for so long.
 

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Originally posted by: techfuzz
Any show where David Carradine's character gets offed is great. So much for the Kung Fu master!! I liked the end when Syd went gung-ho and killed like a dozen guys just to get the hourglass! She kicked some major ass last night. I liked the look she gave her father after she came back and saw Sloan "dead". techfuzz

he wooped sarcs butt major, but alas bullet > any kungFuMaster, even Bill himself ;)
 

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That was a good ep last night, one of the better ones this season. This show has so many plot holes it's ridiculous, but it's still entertaining.
 

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I thought you were talking about Kill Bill V2.

If you would have given away the ending (though i can probably guess it) I would have tracked you down and beat you ass.

But since I don't watch Alias it really doesn't matter
 

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
he wooped sarcs butt major, but alas bullet > any kungFuMaster, even Bill himself ;)
I enjoyed watching him beat sarc down with one hand. It was great how he just as easily took apart the gun in 3 moves and tossed it aside.

techfuzz
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: BigSmooth
That was a good ep last night, one of the better ones this season. This show has so many plot holes it's ridiculous, but it's still entertaining.
I'd like to hear about some of these plotholes because I don't pay 100% attention so I haven't caught any...
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
who wants to bet we haven't seen the last of the monk? ;)
He got 2 shotgun blasts (many entry wounds) to the chest. I don't know how he was able to speak for 30 seconds, but that's besides the point. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
who wants to bet we haven't seen the last of the monk? ;)
Francie lived because of the rumbaldi (sp) powers, why not Mr. monk too? Francie was pronounced dead and she came back to life (2x), so why not Mr. monk too? ;)

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Originally posted by: techfuzz
Originally posted by: FreshPrince who wants to bet we haven't seen the last of the monk? ;)
Francie lived because of the rumbaldi (sp) powers, why not Mr. monk too? Francie was pronounced dead and she came back to life (2x), so why not Mr. monk too? ;) techfuzz

true! very true....
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: techfuzz
Originally posted by: FreshPrince who wants to bet we haven't seen the last of the monk? ;)
Francie lived because of the rumbaldi (sp) powers, why not Mr. monk too? Francie was pronounced dead and she came back to life (2x), so why not Mr. monk too? ;) techfuzz

true!  very true....
Evil Francie ? After her end-of-season-2 battle with Syd ? Or are you talking about when good Francie was duplicated ?
 

FreshPrince

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: techfuzz
Originally posted by: FreshPrince who wants to bet we haven't seen the last of the monk? ;)
Francie lived because of the rumbaldi (sp) powers, why not Mr. monk too? Francie was pronounced dead and she came back to life (2x), so why not Mr. monk too? ;) techfuzz
true! very true....
Evil Francie ? After her end-of-season-2 battle with Syd ? Or are you talking about when good Francie was duplicated ?

aren't those the same person? :confused:
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
true! very true....
Evil Francie ? After her end-of-season-2 battle with Syd ? Or are you talking about when good Francie was duplicated ?[/quote]
The duplicated Evil Francie has 9 lives like a cat. She got shot down in the abandoned hotel and escaped from ambulence taking her away. She also survived a couple (triple-tapped) chest wounds before the fire at the end of season 2.

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rh71

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Yeah so does Jack Bauer. ;) Like they say... it's tv.

I just want to hear about the plotholes...
 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: rh71
Yeah so does Jack Bauer. ;) Like they say... it's tv.

I just want to hear about the plotholes...
I can't think of any off the top of my head. I'm not necessarily talking about major holes in the overall story arc, but MANY times while I am watching the show I have to wonder why a certain character does or fails to do something that is blatantly obvious with the information they have.
 

BigSmooth

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Just thought of a pretty good one. In the episode two weeks ago, after Vaughn and Sydney got the USB drive from the hacker dude, they went to a CIA safe house. Just as Sydney tells Vaughn she thinks she saw Lauren in the club, Lauren magically shows up at the freakin' front door. She says that Dixon told her she "might find them there". Oh, and she's wearing a monstrous purple ring that "her mother gave her" (what, for a funeral present?). This was prior to anyone getting real proof that Lauren was the mole.

OK, these are CIA agents in the middle of a mission. They should not be stupid enough to think that just because Lauren called Dixon crying, he would reveal the location of a CIA safe house to her! I don't care what kind of NSA clearance she has, that would not happen. Plus, she is still undercover for the Covenant indefinitely and that's the best she could come up with - "Dixon said you were here" - which is a lie that is incredibly easy to disprove (Syd could have called Dixon immediately and he would have refuted it). Syd does question it somewhat but puts on an accent and calls Lauren's mother (who is also Covenant and goes along with the ruse) instead of Dixon for... some reason.
Oh, and then the USB drive is mysteriously unreadable and Marshall says it was done intentionally, and not by the hacker... and STILL no one brings up Lauren's name in that conversation - even though she and Vaughn/Sydney are the only ones who had been around the drive. And Syd even seemed to NOTICE Lauren putting the big ol' (data-erasing) ring close to the USB drive while it was in the laptop... I guess that slipped her mind.
And still no one thinks to ask Dixon if he was the one that told Lauren where to find V/S.

Edit: later, Sydney does finally figure it out, but she only "suspects" Lauren so she talks to Jack about it and still never thinks to talk to Dixon, who could have provided proof that Lauren should not have known where to find them in the first place. Vaughn never suspects anything, of course.

That's the kind of thing that happens all the time on this show. Granted, there is a heavy amount of suspension of disbelief involved for a CIA/Spy-type show like this, but sometimes it's SO heavy that it becomes what I consider a plot hole. Like I said, even though it doesn't make sense sometimes, I still really enjoy the show. :)
 

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Originally posted by: BigSmooth
Just thought of a pretty good one. In the episode two weeks ago, after Vaughn and Sydney got the USB drive from the hacker dude, they went to a CIA safe house. Just as Sydney tells Vaughn she thinks she saw Lauren in the club, Lauren magically shows up at the freakin' front door. She says that Dixon told her she "might find them there". Oh, and she's wearing a monstrous purple ring that "her mother gave her" (what, for a funeral present?). This was prior to anyone getting real proof that Lauren was the mole. OK, these are CIA agents in the middle of a mission. They should not be stupid enough to think that just because Lauren called Dixon crying, he would reveal the location of a CIA safe house to her! I don't care what kind of NSA clearance she has, that would not happen. Plus, she is still undercover for the Covenant indefinitely and that's the best she could come up with - "Dixon said you were here" - which is a lie that is incredibly easy to disprove (Syd could have called Dixon immediately and he would have refuted it). Syd does question it somewhat but puts on an accent and calls Lauren's mother (who is also Covenant and goes along with the ruse) instead of Dixon for... some reason. Oh, and then the USB drive is mysteriously unreadable and Marshall says it was done intentionally, and not by the hacker... and STILL no one brings up Lauren's name in that conversation - even though she and Vaughn/Sydney are the only ones who had been around the drive. And Syd even seemed to NOTICE Lauren putting the big ol' (data-erasing) ring close to the USB drive while it was in the laptop... I guess that slipped her mind. And still no one thinks to ask Dixon if he was the one that told Lauren where to find V/S. That's the kind of thing that happens all the time on this show. Granted, there is a heavy amount of suspension of disbelief involved for a CIA/Spy-type show like this, but sometimes it becomes what I consider a plot hole. Like I said, even though it doesn't make sense sometimes, I still really enjoy the show. :)

damnit! I missed that episode :(
 

rh71

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I see where you're coming from... the type of how-can-that-happen-that-way. But to me, a plot hole is when the writer went one way with the story and completely contradicted himself at a later time. That's a plot hole. What I've been saying is that there's a lot of twists and turns that gets us, the viewers... making us think... how did we miss that ?! That's the genius I see in the writing. Things like what you brought up are pretty common, especially if you're also a 24 fan.

And about Dixon... why wouldn't it be true that Dixon told Lauren where they were ? That's why Syd wouldn't ask him about it. Dixon knows of the recent father's death and that Vaughn is the husband. He knows of no betrayal yet and he had more than probable cause to give her that information... even if they are indeed in the middle of the mission. I did raise an eyebrow to that too though... how this "safehouse" in another country can be so easily sought out. Lauren could've called in Covenant and taken out 2 good CIA agents at once. ;)
 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: rh71
I see where you're coming from... the type of how-can-that-happen-that-way. But to me, a plot hole is when the writer went one way with the story and completely contradicted himself at a later time. That's a plot hole. What I've been saying is that there's a lot of twists and turns that gets us, the viewers... making us think... how did we miss that ?! That's the genius I see in the writing. Things like what you brought up are pretty common, especially if you're also a 24 fan.
Actually, I don't watch a lot of TV dramas, so maybe it's normal, but it does seem excessive on Alias.

I do agree that the writing in general is good. Sometimes it gets bogged down with too much dialogue but overall I like the hints that are dropped each episode and the fact that seemingly insignificant stuff from previous episodes or even previous seasons is later found out to be very important.
 

rh71

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The number 47 is also very repetitive throughout the 3 seasons. I found that little tidbit at the SD-1 boards.
 

BigSmooth

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Originally posted by: rh71
And about Dixon... why wouldn't it be true that Dixon told Lauren where they were ? That's why Syd wouldn't ask him about it. Dixon knows of the recent father's death and that Vaughn is the husband. He knows of no betrayal yet and he had more than probable cause to give her that information... even if they are indeed in the middle of the mission. I did raise an eyebrow to that too though... how this "safehouse" in another country can be so easily sought out. Lauren could've called in Covenant and taken out 2 good CIA agents at once. ;)
A safe house, to me, is a place that is as secret as possible. There were no other defenses in place there - the secrecy is the only reason it could have been called a safe house.

I would think the location of a place like that would not be revealed to anyone that did not need to know where it was, even other CIA agents. Certainly not to people outside of the CIA (Lauren), and definitely not for personal reasons.