The Affordable Care Act on the one year anniversary of the Patient’s Bill of Rights

[a777pilot]

You are attempting to limit American citizens' fundamental right to seek redress for wrongs committed to them because you think it is making our health care system too expensive when in reality torts and related costs comprise an exceedingly small percentage of our health care expenditures.

It's bad on the cost/benefit analysis.

Tort reform, to a loser pays system, would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. This would in no way limit any citizen from redress of grievances against medical malpractice. The advantage would be lower costs and fewer unnecessary law suits clogging our courts.

 

[Ausm]

What the hell does it matter if she is happy? I could care less and have never said I did care about her happyness. I am asking why you think it is insulting for me to say she has an option to dump her medical obligations while you are applauding she was able to do something similar onto premium payers.

Hey you need to take a couple twists out of your G-string buddy.

I thinks it insulting that you were assuming that is what everyone does when they are faced with a monstrous medical bills and I was happy that she was covered by her parents insurance and if you think that is obligating your debt to premium payers well I hate to break this to you but it happens to everyone that has fucking insurance...

 

[fskimospy]

Tort reform, to a loser pays system, would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. This would in no way limit any citizen from redress of grievances against medical malpractice. The advantage would be lower costs and fewer unnecessary law suits clogging our courts.

Uhmm, it absolutely would limit citizens' right to redress. Court cases are amazingly expensive and most average people would be unable to risk total financial ruin by filing one, even if the probability of success was good. Justice shouldn't only be available to those who can afford it.

Regardless of that, as I and other said, torts just aren't a significant driver of medical costs. They are a distraction that you've foolishly bought into.

 

[Genx87]

Hey you need to take a couple twists out of your G-string buddy.

I thinks it insulting that you were assuming that is what everyone does when they are faced with a monstrous medical bills and I was happy that she was covered by her parents insurance and if you think that is obligating your debt to premium payers well I hate to break this to you but it happens to everyone that has fucking insurance...

That might be but at the end of the day she didnt pay her bills, somebody else did. So why you think it is insulting to say she has an option to walk from her debt is interesting to me. She essentially did the same by being on insurance.

 

[a777pilot]

I agree that tort reform in and of itself would have a small effect on total cost but if all my suggestions were implemented the system would work much better than having the government take over.

BoboCare was NOT about providing health care to Americans. It was about the federal government gathering more and more control and power over the economy of the United States, because Bobo, the Post Turtle, doesn't trust America business.

 

[Ausm]

That might be but at the end of the day she didnt pay her bills, somebody else did. So why you think it is insulting to say she has an option to walk from her debt is interesting to me. She essentially did the same by being on insurance.

I guess then everyone that has insurance is walking away from their bills then? She is paying her parents for the coverage or isn't that good enough for you either? What should we do tell her to fuck off and die like the Republican plan?

I get that you don't like the Health care bill please take your agnst out on someone else....BYE

I really don't get why I have to explain this fucking thing to the nth degree for you...

 

[Ausm]

I agree that tort reform in and of itself would have a small effect on total cost but if all my suggestions were implemented the system would work much better than having the government take over.

BoboCare was NOT about providing health care to Americans. It was about the federal government gathering more and more control and power over the economy of the United States, because Bobo, the Post Turtle, doesn't trust America business.

LMAO...if it was so bad then why did the Republicans do absolutely squat to improve anything in this bill besides Filibuster after Filibuster. If they did offer improvements please list them and I will forward them to my Congressman

 

[fskimospy]

I agree that tort reform in and of itself would have a small effect on total cost but if all my suggestions were implemented the system would work much better than having the government take over.

BoboCare was NOT about providing health care to Americans. It was about the federal government gathering more and more control and power over the economy of the United States, because Bobo, the Post Turtle, doesn't trust America business.

Little did we know that the secret to reforming the US health care system resided in a semi-literate beardo in Flower Mound, TX. Thanks for the info!

 

[xBiffx]

Little did we know that the secret to reforming the US health care system resided in a semi-literate beardo in Flower Mound, TX. Thanks for the info!

No I thought it was the all knowing, all caring, protector of the people from Chicago, I mean Connecticut, I mean Kenya, I mean Hawaii..who knows.

 

[fskimospy]

No I thought it was the all knowing, all caring, protector of the people from Chicago, I mean Connecticut, I mean Kenya, I mean Hawaii..who knows.

You have some other bullshit points that you've made in this thread to go address, shouldn't you do that before making new stupid ones?

 

[xBiffx]

You have some other bullshit points that you've made in this thread to go address, shouldn't you do that before making new stupid ones?

Addressed. Sorry they are not to your liking. Stop deflecting away from your bullshit points by calling out my "bullshit points".

 

[Throckmorton]

Yay, lets all celebrate that complete steaming pile of crap of a bill. Not.

Just wait to see how wonderful you'll think it is when you try to get an appointment with a PCP and it takes 4 months.

Huh? How the hell would it be any different from how it is now? Do you just like to make stuff up?

 

[Throckmorton]

Tort reform, to a loser pays system, would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. This would in no way limit any citizen from redress of grievances against medical malpractice. The advantage would be lower costs and fewer unnecessary law suits clogging our courts.

You live in Texas. Texas has tort reform. Tell us how that has worked out.


Edit: Here http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/09/01/6097/analysis-mythical-benefits-tort-reform-texas

 

[Ldir]

You have some other bullshit points that you've made in this thread to go address, shouldn't you do that before making new stupid ones?

Don't waste your time. He's been here a month. All he does is repeat GOP talking points. He is a clueless moron.

 

[WackyDan]

Yes you can freely switch your job at anytime but no you can't take your insurance with you unless you have your own private coverage.

You can take your insurance with you under COBRA for 18 months. You can also enroll in the insurance at the new employer.

Granted... Not every employer offers insurance or great insurance, so you must compete like everyone else for the better jobs.

 

[fskimospy]

You can take your insurance with you under COBRA for 18 months. You can also enroll in the insurance at the new employer.

Granted... Not every employer offers insurance or great insurance, so you must compete like everyone else for the better jobs.

You can take your insurance with you so long as you pay the entire premium, which for a family adds on about an extra $1,000 a month to your bills. How is that a viable solution for the average American?

 

[WackyDan]

You can take your insurance with you so long as you pay the entire premium, which for a family adds on about an extra $1,000 a month to your bills. How is that a viable solution for the average American?

I did it for 8 months while unemployed last year. It is expensive, and wasn't my favorite expense to pay. I had the funds set aside to pay well before I was laid off.

I know not every family has those finances in place. I agree that some health reforms were needed... unfortunately we got a reform bill that has a couple of good points, and a whole lot of screwing of the middle class. That I can already count in dollars what this bill is cost me, is telling to me personally.

 

[Ausm]

No I thought it was the all knowing, all caring, protector of the people from Chicago, I mean Connecticut, I mean Kenya, I mean Hawaii..who knows.

I didn't realize you were a closet birther all the credibility I gave you in the past (Which wasn't much) just got shot in the ass

 

[shadow9d9]

Why is Tort Reform a "right" wing issue? Besides, I was espousing on tort reform before the so called right wing was. Maybe they got the idea from me.

It has been done in states to no effect already.

 

[shadow9d9]

I agree that tort reform in and of itself would have a small effect on total cost but if all my suggestions were implemented the system would work much better than having the government take over.

BoboCare was NOT about providing health care to Americans. It was about the federal government gathering more and more control and power over the economy of the United States, because Bobo, the Post Turtle, doesn't trust America business.

You already pay for the sickest and elderly of the population, as well as those without insurance. Insurances cover less people and make more profit than ever. Instead of using those profits to subsidize the sick and the elderly, the money is just profits for some companies... In the end, we pay twice while the corporations walk away with massive profits.

 

[shira]

Yup... It sure helped me too. Now my FSA can't be used for some meds that were over the counter, but now require a script for the FSA to cover them... and the doctor requires a visit in order to write said script the first time meaning I pay a co-pay, and have to take time out of my day on an un-needed appointment.

Furthermore, next year is the last year I'll have a $5100 cap on my FSA. For 2013's enrollment the FSA cap is reduced to a federally mandated $2500. To put things in perspective for you... I've used every bit of that $5100 each year these last couple of years due to my wife's medical needs and now that of my daughter who was born 13 weeks premature. The reform bill will now expose $2600 of my income to taxes, while increasing my out of pocket costs on health care. Why they chose to wack FSA's like that is beyond me, other than the tax grab.

Way to fucking go Democrats...You really are helping, but in bad way.

If you had a fvcking brain you'd understand that one of the major drivers causing the rise in health care costs is demand. And when people are insulated from health care costs - by employer-subsidized premiums, by low deductibles, and by FSA plans - demand goes up.

But any real attempt to control health care costs will involve shared pain, and will be met by hordes of NIMBY fools like you screaming that their own personal little benefits are sacrosanct. You're incapable of understanding the big picture because you're so caught up in your own little financial world.

 

[shadow9d9]

If you had a fvcking brain you'd understand that one of the major drivers causing the rise in health care costs is demand. And when people are insulated from health care costs - by employer-subsidized premiums, by low deductibles, and by FSA plans - demand goes up.

But any real attempt to control health care costs will involve shared pain, and will be met by hordes of NIMBY fools like you screaming that their own personal little benefits are sacrosanct. You're incapable of understanding the big picture because you're so caught up in your own little financial world.

Healthcare is a necessity...this is why it needs to be regulated like our other necessities. Why should corporations make huge profits while refusing to cover the elderly and the sick instead of one system where the profits help the taxpayers...

Demand keeps going up for electricity.. they are not allowed to just charge whatever they want... electricity would be the price of healthcare if it were left to the "free market."

And no, sacrifice would not be needed. We could pay half and cover everyone, just like every other first world country.

Pretty simple. Instead of paying for the elderly as taxpayers, then our own premiums, and then the ER patients that are uninsured... we could all be part of one system that helps everyone together. That is why every other first world country covers everyone for half the price.. no worrying about copays, being denied, going out of network, etc.

 

[xBiffx]

I didn't realize you were a closet birther all the credibility I gave you in the past (Which wasn't much) just got shot in the ass

Came out of the closet along time ago. I'm flaming mad now as your friends like to point out so frequently.

 

[sactoking]

It's too early to say if the PPAC is a success or failure; relatively few of the measures have been implemented. Some that have (no lifetime caps) are relatively minor while others (zero-cost preventive care) have rather hefty grandfather clauses. The lynchpin of "upside" is the exchanges, which aren't in place yet, and the lynchpin of "downside" is the tax increases, which also aren't in place yet.

 

[WackyDan]

If you had a fvcking brain you'd understand that one of the major drivers causing the rise in health care costs is demand. And when people are insulated from health care costs - by employer-subsidized premiums, by low deductibles, and by FSA plans - demand goes up.

But any real attempt to control health care costs will involve shared pain, and will be met by hordes of NIMBY fools like you screaming that their own personal little benefits are sacrosanct. You're incapable of understanding the big picture because you're so caught up in your own little financial world.

Fuck you kindly. Nice trolling. I'm sure adding millions of more Americans to medicaid is going to feel good when my state taxes increase along with it. The middle class isn't the problem, yet we are paying for this bullshit bill. Our premiums won't go down one bit, and some of our employers will be dropping coverage -Period.

That is ok though, stand up on your liberal podium and wax poetically about utopia you fuck stick. I bet shared pain is so great you don't even have to share any on your end. Fucking asshole.