The Administration attempts to muzzle top NASA scientist's climate-change statements

shira

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It's about time the lid was blown off of this continuing practice by the Bush administration to try to silence scientists whose research conclusions contradict Bush ideology. The article is long, but it's worth the time.

NY Times story
The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

The scientist, James E. Hansen, longtime director of the agency's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in an interview that officials at NASA headquarters had ordered the public affairs staff to review his coming lectures, papers, postings on the Goddard Web site and requests for interviews from journalists.


Dr. Hansen said he would ignore the restrictions. "They feel their job is to be this censor of information going out to the public," he said.

Dean Acosta, deputy assistant administrator for public affairs at the space agency, said there was no effort to silence Dr. Hansen. "That's not the way we operate here at NASA," Mr. Acosta said. "We promote openness and we speak with the facts."

He said the restrictions on Dr. Hansen applied to all National Aeronautics and Space Administration personnel. He added that government scientists were free to discuss scientific findings, but that policy statements should be left to policy makers and appointed spokesmen.

Mr. Acosta said other reasons for requiring press officers to review interview requests were to have an orderly flow of information out of a sprawling agency and to avoid surprises. "This is not about any individual or any issue like global warming," he said. "It's about coordination."

Dr. Hansen strongly disagreed with this characterization, saying such procedures had already prevented the public from fully grasping recent findings about climate change that point to risks ahead.

"Communicating with the public seems to be essential," he said, "because public concern is probably the only thing capable of overcoming the special interests that have obfuscated the topic."

Dr. Hansen, 63, a physicist who joined the space agency in 1967, directs efforts to simulate the global climate on computers at the Goddard Institute in Morningside Heights in Manhattan.

Since 1988, he has been issuing public warnings about the long-term threat from heat-trapping emissions, dominated by carbon dioxide, that are an unavoidable byproduct of burning coal, oil and other fossil fuels. He has had run-ins with politicians or their appointees in various administrations, including budget watchers in the first Bush administration and Vice President Al Gore.

In 2001, Dr. Hansen was invited twice to brief Vice President Dick Cheney and other cabinet members on climate change. White House officials were interested in his findings showing that cleaning up soot, which also warms the atmosphere, was an effective and far easier first step than curbing carbon dioxide.

He fell out of favor with the White House in 2004 after giving a speech at the University of Iowa before the presidential election, in which he complained that government climate scientists were being muzzled and said he planned to vote for Senator John Kerry.

But Dr. Hansen said that nothing in 30 years equaled the push made since early December to keep him from publicly discussing what he says are clear-cut dangers from further delay in curbing carbon dioxide.

In several interviews with The New York Times in recent days, Dr. Hansen said it would be irresponsible not to speak out, particularly because NASA's mission statement includes the phrase "to understand and protect our home planet."

He said he was particularly incensed that the directives had come through telephone conversations and not through formal channels, leaving no significant trails of documents.

Dr. Hansen's supervisor, Franco Einaudi, said there had been no official "order or pressure to say shut Jim up." But Dr. Einaudi added, "That doesn't mean I like this kind of pressure being applied."

The fresh efforts to quiet him, Dr. Hansen said, began in a series of calls after a lecture he gave on Dec. 6 at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. In the talk, he said that significant emission cuts could be achieved with existing technologies, particularly in the case of motor vehicles, and that without leadership by the United States, climate change would eventually leave the earth "a different planet."

The administration's policy is to use voluntary measures to slow, but not reverse, the growth of emissions.

After that speech and the release of data by Dr. Hansen on Dec. 15 showing that 2005 was probably the warmest year in at least a century, officials at the headquarters of the space agency repeatedly phoned public affairs officers, who relayed the warning to Dr. Hansen that there would be "dire consequences" if such statements continued, those officers and Dr. Hansen said in interviews.

Among the restrictions, according to Dr. Hansen and an internal draft memorandum he provided to The Times, was that his supervisors could stand in for him in any news media interviews.

Mr. Acosta said the calls and meetings with Goddard press officers were not to introduce restrictions, but to review existing rules. He said Dr. Hansen had continued to speak frequently with the news media.

But Dr. Hansen and some of his colleagues said interviews were canceled as a result.

In one call, George Deutsch, a recently appointed public affairs officer at NASA headquarters, rejected a request from a producer at National Public Radio to interview Dr. Hansen, said Leslie McCarthy, a public affairs officer responsible for the Goddard Institute.

Citing handwritten notes taken during the conversation, Ms. McCarthy said Mr. Deutsch called N.P.R. "the most liberal" media outlet in the country. She said that in that call and others, Mr. Deutsch said his job was "to make the president look good" and that as a White House appointee that might be Mr. Deutsch's priority.

But she added: "I'm a career civil servant and Jim Hansen is a scientist. That's not our job. That's not our mission. The inference was that Hansen was disloyal."

Normally, Ms. McCarthy would not be free to describe such conversations to the news media, but she agreed to an interview after Mr. Acosta, at NASA headquarters, told The Times that she would not face any retribution for doing so.

Mr. Acosta, Mr. Deutsch's supervisor, said that when Mr. Deutsch was asked about the conversations, he flatly denied saying anything of the sort. Mr. Deutsch referred all interview requests to Mr. Acosta.

Ms. McCarthy, when told of the response, said: "Why am I going to go out of my way to make this up and back up Jim Hansen? I don't have a dog in this race. And what does Hansen have to gain?"

Mr. Acosta said that for the moment he had no way of judging who was telling the truth. Several colleagues of both Ms. McCarthy and Dr. Hansen said Ms. McCarthy's statements were consistent with what she told them when the conversations occurred.

"He's not trying to create a war over this," said Larry D. Travis, an astronomer who is Dr. Hansen's deputy at Goddard, "but really feels very strongly that this is an obligation we have as federal scientists, to inform the public."

Dr. Travis said he walked into Ms. McCarthy's office in mid-December at the end of one of the calls from Mr. Deutsch demanding that Dr. Hansen be better controlled.

In an interview on Friday, Ralph J. Cicerone, an atmospheric chemist and the president of the National Academy of Sciences, the nation's leading independent scientific body, praised Dr. Hansen's scientific contributions and said he had always seemed to describe his public statements clearly as his personal views.

"He really is one of the most productive and creative scientists in the world," Dr. Cicerone said. "I've heard Hansen speak many times and I've read many of his papers, starting in the late 70's. Every single time, in writing or when I've heard him speak, he's always clear that he's speaking for himself, not for NASA or the administration, whichever administration it's been."

The fight between Dr. Hansen and administration officials echoes other recent disputes. At climate laboratories of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, for example, many scientists who routinely took calls from reporters five years ago can now do so only if the interview is approved by administration officials in Washington, and then only if a public affairs officer is present or on the phone.

Where scientists' points of view on climate policy align with those of the administration, however, there are few signs of restrictions on extracurricular lectures or writing.


One example is Indur M. Goklany, assistant director of science and technology policy in the policy office of the Interior Department. For years, Dr. Goklany, an electrical engineer by training, has written in papers and books that it may be better not to force cuts in greenhouse gases because the added prosperity from unfettered economic activity would allow countries to exploit benefits of warming and adapt to problems.

In an e-mail exchange on Friday, Dr. Goklany said that in the Clinton administration he was shifted to nonclimate-related work, but added that he had never had to stop his outside writing, as long as he identified the views as his own.

"One reason why I still continue to do the extracurricular stuff," he wrote, "is because one doesn't have to get clearance for what I plan on saying or writing."
 

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After that speech and the release of data by Dr. Hansen on Dec. 15 showing that 2005 was probably the warmest year in at least a century, officials at the headquarters of the space agency repeatedly phoned public affairs officers, who relayed the warning to Dr. Hansen that there would be "dire consequences" if such statements continued, those officers and Dr. Hansen said in interviews.

Each year keeps getting warmer and has been that way since the Ice Age, even before cars were invented.
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
After that speech and the release of data by Dr. Hansen on Dec. 15 showing that 2005 was probably the warmest year in at least a century, officials at the headquarters of the space agency repeatedly phoned public affairs officers, who relayed the warning to Dr. Hansen that there would be "dire consequences" if such statements continued, those officers and Dr. Hansen said in interviews.

Each year keeps getting warmer and has been that way since the Ice Age, even before cars were invented.



CO2 levels jump starting with the industrial revolution
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
After that speech and the release of data by Dr. Hansen on Dec. 15 showing that 2005 was probably the warmest year in at least a century, officials at the headquarters of the space agency repeatedly phoned public affairs officers, who relayed the warning to Dr. Hansen that there would be "dire consequences" if such statements continued, those officers and Dr. Hansen said in interviews.

Each year keeps getting warmer and has been that way since the Ice Age, even before cars were invented.
CO2 levels jump starting with the industrial revolution
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: conjur
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.

And those ice caps were there for how long?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
LOL planetforlife.com!

If a site called Alienanalprobes.com posted data showing that summer daylight hours wer longer than winter ones, would they be wrong?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: conjur
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.

And those ice caps were there for how long?
A wee bit longer than you
 

Kerouactivist

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: conjur
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.

And those ice caps were there for how long?

How can you conciously choose the side you choose?
Are you sick?
 

Moonbeam

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Anybody who knows the Bible knows that the Rapture has nothing to do with global warming. Global warming is pure bunk.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: conjur
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.

And those ice caps were there for how long?

A majority of the world's top scientists in this field agree that man's industrial activities are accelerating global warming. As lay people, we are pretty much forced to look to the experts for a position on this issue. Why should we listen to you? Your qualifications & expertise in this field are..?
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Global warming is pure bunk.

What do you mean? Global warming is a fact. The issue is whether it is caused by man's activities on the planet, or whether it is occurring independently of any of our industrial activities and production of waste products like CO2 or soot.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Global warming is pure bunk.

What do you mean? Global warming is a fact. The issue is whether it is caused by man's activities on the planet, or whether it is occurring independently of any of our industrial activities and production of waste products like CO2 or soot.

It is a non issue because it is not a part of the End Times in the Bible. Worry about global warming, therefore, is a waste of time. Everybody knows that. Geez.
 

AnitaPeterson

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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Here... more warnings about climate change, with extensive data provided from major European studies...:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4660938.stm

We are gambling with our children's future, but most of us are too damn greedy to do anything about it.

Did you destroy your car in front of your neighbors to show them the way?
Did you replace it with a bike?

I drive an Echo... what do you drive, jackass?
 

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Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Here... more warnings about climate change, with extensive data provided from major European studies...:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4660938.stm

We are gambling with our children's future, but most of us are too damn greedy to do anything about it.

Did you destroy your car in front of your neighbors to show them the way?
Did you replace it with a bike?

I drive an Echo... what do you drive, jackass?

I got no car, dear criminal against humanity!
Your Echo increases the greenhouse effect everytime you use it. Who are you to criticize Bush?
 

shira

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: conjur
And post-Ice Age warming doesn't usually result in the ice caps disappearing by 25-30% in less than 100 years.

And those ice caps were there for how long?

A majority of the world's top scientists in this field agree that man's industrial activities are accelerating global warming. As lay people, we are pretty much forced to look to the experts for a position on this issue. Why should we listen to you? Your qualifications & expertise in this field are..?
Actually, "majority" is significant understatement. "Most" is more accurate. And almost all of those who dissent from the prevailing view are doing research funded by industry groups who have a vested interest in laissez faire policies.
 

RichardE

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I find it interesting, that in reality both sides of the spectrum (right and left) want to reduce greenhouse gases. The only difference being the left want to do it, not caring about the financial impact, wheras the right want to do it, without being hurt in productivity, lost jobs ect. If we were able to find a middle ground, we would more than likely solve this problem. As well, if we diverted all the funding we give to tree ring analiserz, summits, ect, into fusion, or other viable alternatives to coal, gasoline, than perhaps we would more quickly find that middle ground we all seek.
 
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Originally posted by: RichardE
I find it interesting, that in reality both sides of the spectrum (right and left) want to reduce greenhouse gases. The only difference being the left want to do it, not caring about the financial impact, wheras the right want to do it, without being hurt in productivity, lost jobs ect. If we were able to find a middle ground, we would more than likely solve this problem. As well, if we diverted all the funding we give to tree ring analiserz, summits, ect, into fusion, or other viable alternatives to coal, gasoline, than perhaps we would more quickly find that middle ground we all seek.

I think you're mistaken about reality. You say both sides of the spectrum want to reduce greenhouse gasses, from what I can see, only one side acknowledges there's even a problem. Before a middle ground can be reached there has to be agreement about what the problem is and what the solutions are. As things stand right now, there's becoming less and less margin for a middle ground to be reached, we're gradually moving towards a point in time where our response is going to be costly and forced. If we could start addressing the issue now we'd have some breathing room to come up with solutions. Ice caps melting, permafrost thawing etc. is an indication that coming up with a middle ground is no longer an option, that boat has sailed. Until the US pulls it's head out of it's ass with regard to the environment we will continue down this path.

Another thought, if GWB indeed talks to God, he may believe there is no point in pre-empting environmental destruction as it is God's will that we have dominion over the earth and rapture will eliminate the need for a sustainable planet anyways.

 

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Ahhhh....this whole article and the "scientist's" OPINION are pure bs. After all, Bush didn't nominate him so what could he really know about what is truly happening? Global warming has yet to be even proven by anyone within the administration. /PabZen state of possession
 

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Fact: The Earth is getting warmer.

Greenhouse emissions are a theory to explain why the Earth is getting warmer. As of now, it is the most plausible theory out there.

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You can take a hands-on view of Global Warming by visiting the some glaciers up in Canada. I was in Jasper National Park, in Banf. They had markers on where the glacier was during different time periods (all the way back to 1900). It's pretty clear that it is receding at an exponential rate. One would imagine what it would be like if one were to visit 20 years from now, based on the current rate of recession.