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DrMrLordX

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Avalon, just curious, but are you still hitting 37s in SuperPi 1M with your rig at 340 HTT?

I'd like to know if you get the same SuperPi score using one of your DIMMs as opposed to two. Just curious. My main reason for wondering this is that, when I had WinXP booted at 310 HTT, I was able to run SuperPi 1M without difficulty, and I got 39s. That was at approximately 2.48 ghz, with my memory at DDR310, 2-2-2-5, 1T. I'd think you'd get more than two more seconds over me in SuperPi at 2.72 ghz, especially considering how slow my memory was running at the time.

EDIT: at 2.48 ghz, DDR 413, 3-3-3-8, 1T, I got 38s in SuperPi 1M. I think you may be running at 2T command rate, despite what your motherboard is telling you. Either that, or something else is affecting your memory performance/bandwidth negatively.
 

sangyup81

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and I'm starting to get the hint that the 256k cache versions OC better than the 128k cache chips.....
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: sangyup81
and I'm starting to get the hint that the 256k cache versions OC better than the 128k cache chips.....

It's starting to look that way,cause my 3000+ wasnt all that great.
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Avalon, just curious, but are you still hitting 37s in SuperPi 1M with your rig at 340 HTT?

I'd like to know if you get the same SuperPi score using one of your DIMMs as opposed to two. Just curious. My main reason for wondering this is that, when I had WinXP booted at 310 HTT, I was able to run SuperPi 1M without difficulty, and I got 39s. That was at approximately 2.48 ghz, with my memory at DDR310, 2-2-2-5, 1T. I'd think you'd get more than two more seconds over me in SuperPi at 2.72 ghz, especially considering how slow my memory was running at the time.

EDIT: at 2.48 ghz, DDR 413, 3-3-3-8, 1T, I got 38s in SuperPi 1M. I think you may be running at 2T command rate, despite what your motherboard is telling you. Either that, or something else is affecting your memory performance/bandwidth negatively.

Actually, when I ran the SuperPi bench, I was sitting in at 2.6ghz with my RAM running on a 133mhz divider giving me 216mhz/DDR433 at 2-3-3. I was getting about 36s everytime. Yanking out a stick and running the test again sounds like an excellent idea, though. In the meantime, I scored these and I'm hoping they will be here by Thursday...but definitely by Friday. Supposedly, those are unlabeled OCZ VX/Winbond UTT chips on those sticks, and the reviews so far sound stellar: people getting 250FSB 2-2-5 1T with 3.2-3.4v. I'm hoping I can do close to 250FSB with 3.1v 2-3-3-10. That would be insane. I'll have to run the single DIMM memory test tomorrow morning, when there is some light around here :)
I'll let you know.

*Edit*
My Geil memory sucks. It won't do CAS 2 past 220FSB, and CAS 2.5 past 225FSB. CAS 3 it won't even boot. But, the stuff just looks so damn cool...lol. The new TwinMOS should be smokin!
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: sangyup81
if you can hit 2.5 stable with your 2800+, I may get one of my own and ebay my 2600+

My 2800+ is Pi stable at 2.48 ghz, but it's not Prime stable. I think it may have to do with board or memory. I fiddled with memory and vcore, and it becames Prime-stable while only Prime was running, but if I loaded up some instant-messenger clients(ICQ and Yahoo Messenger, notably), it killed Prime.

I'm not 100% sure what I could do to really make it Prime stable at 2.48 ghz, but my system has a lot of weak points compared to Avalon's. Namely, my PSU is an Antec Smartpower 400W(could be better), and my board is the Chaintech VNF3-250(DFI would be better). Also, I'm using stock cooling. An XP-90 or 120 or somethin would probably help things out, as would better RAM with some heat-spreaders.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Avalon


Actually, when I ran the SuperPi bench, I was sitting in at 2.6ghz with my RAM running on a 133mhz divider giving me 216mhz/DDR433 at 2-3-3. I was getting about 36s everytime. Yanking out a stick and running the test again sounds like an excellent idea, though. In the meantime, I scored these and I'm hoping they will be here by Thursday...but definitely by Friday. Supposedly, those are unlabeled OCZ VX/Winbond UTT chips on those sticks, and the reviews so far sound stellar: people getting 250FSB 2-2-5 1T with 3.2-3.4v. I'm hoping I can do close to 250FSB with 3.1v 2-3-3-10. That would be insane. I'll have to run the single DIMM memory test tomorrow morning, when there is some light around here :)
I'll let you know.

*Edit*
My Geil memory sucks. It won't do CAS 2 past 220FSB, and CAS 2.5 past 225FSB. CAS 3 it won't even boot. But, the stuff just looks so damn cool...lol. The new TwinMOS should be smokin!

That's some nice RAM you're getting there. Looks like they can take some serious volts, too. Hope they work better than the Geil stuff. Not booting at CAS 3 is not cool.

If you were getting 36s at 2.6 ghz with your RAM at 216 mhz, hmm . . . sounds about right actually. Might be interesting to try it with one DIMM anyway, just to see what, if anything, transpires.
 

Budman

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Originally posted by: sangyup81
if you can hit 2.5 stable with your 2800+, I may get one of my own and ebay my 2600+

My 2800+ is Pi stable at 2.48 ghz, but it's not Prime stable. I think it may have to do with board or memory. I fiddled with memory and vcore, and it becames Prime-stable while only Prime was running, but if I loaded up some instant-messenger clients(ICQ and Yahoo Messenger, notably), it killed Prime.

I'm not 100% sure what I could do to really make it Prime stable at 2.48 ghz, but my system has a lot of weak points compared to Avalon's. Namely, my PSU is an Antec Smartpower 400W(could be better), and my board is the Chaintech VNF3-250(DFI would be better). Also, I'm using stock cooling. An XP-90 or 120 or somethin would probably help things out, as would better RAM with some heat-spreaders.

When you start adding the price of a new psu,heatsink,mobo.... you're better off just getting a faster cpu to begin with. ;)
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Budman
When you start adding the price of a new psu,heatsink,mobo.... you're better off just getting a faster cpu to begin with. ;)

Indeed. That's why I'm just gonna be happy with a Prime-stable 2.4 ghz.
 

Toro 45

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Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Avalon, just curious, but are you still hitting 37s in SuperPi 1M with your rig at 340 HTT?

I'd like to know if you get the same SuperPi score using one of your DIMMs as opposed to two. Just curious. My main reason for wondering this is that, when I had WinXP booted at 310 HTT, I was able to run SuperPi 1M without difficulty, and I got 39s. That was at approximately 2.48 ghz, with my memory at DDR310, 2-2-2-5, 1T. I'd think you'd get more than two more seconds over me in SuperPi at 2.72 ghz, especially considering how slow my memory was running at the time.

EDIT: at 2.48 ghz, DDR 413, 3-3-3-8, 1T, I got 38s in SuperPi 1M. I think you may be running at 2T command rate, despite what your motherboard is telling you. Either that, or something else is affecting your memory performance/bandwidth negatively.

Actually, when I ran the SuperPi bench, I was sitting in at 2.6ghz with my RAM running on a 133mhz divider giving me 216mhz/DDR433 at 2-3-3. I was getting about 36s everytime. Yanking out a stick and running the test again sounds like an excellent idea, though. In the meantime, I scored these and I'm hoping they will be here by Thursday...but definitely by Friday. Supposedly, those are unlabeled OCZ VX/Winbond UTT chips on those sticks, and the reviews so far sound stellar: people getting 250FSB 2-2-5 1T with 3.2-3.4v. I'm hoping I can do close to 250FSB with 3.1v 2-3-3-10. That would be insane. I'll have to run the single DIMM memory test tomorrow morning, when there is some light around here :)
I'll let you know.

*Edit*
My Geil memory sucks. It won't do CAS 2 past 220FSB, and CAS 2.5 past 225FSB. CAS 3 it won't even boot. But, the stuff just looks so damn cool...lol. The new TwinMOS should be smokin!



Good luck with the Twinmos sticks I've the read the reviews on it too and ordered a pair. Looks like the AA4t sticks are the sweetness. I might have to try the newer dfi bios to get 3.2volts to my ram. I here these really fly when you can supply higher volts.
 

Avalon

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Ran SuperPI twice with one stick of memory. I'm getting about 37s now.
 

DrMrLordX

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Hmm, so much for that idea. At least this means you are definitely at 1T with two sticks of double-sided RAM. Wish I had gotten the same stuff *P Oh well.
 

Avalon

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I just tried the latest 76.10 XtremeG drivers, since everyone was raving about them. My 3dmark05 score dropped from 4170 to 4110. My doom 3 10x7 score dropped from 63.5 to 62.1, and my 16x12 score was exactly identical. Subjectively, I can't say that the image quality is any better than my 71.80 Forcewares.

I can't remember who said this just a couple weeks ago, but I remember them noting that setting your display panel quality slider to quality, and then unchecking all the optimizations that it would turn on, yielded what they thought was the same image quality as the high quality setting (99.9% close) while still giving magically better framerates.

I suspect the XtremeG drivers are doing something similar, to make those who use it think they are getting the best image quality and extra magical performance over the normal forcewares. Whether or not this is true, I'm not impressed with the performance regardless.
 

Avalon

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TwinMOS just wound up being some plane jane stuff. It did do 2-3-3-10 over its CAS 2.5 SPD at stock, though. Not a bad pair of memory, but my Geil can do that. Now to find a home for the TwinMOS stuff, and order some Mushkin....heh.
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
2-3-3 with volts or without

I was at 2.8v with the 2-3-3 settings, and tried 2-3-2 with up to 3.1v, and no go.
 

Leper Messiah

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Originally posted by: sangyup81
if you can hit 2.5 stable with your 2800+, I may get one of my own and ebay my 2600+

My 2800+ is Pi stable at 2.48 ghz, but it's not Prime stable. I think it may have to do with board or memory. I fiddled with memory and vcore, and it becames Prime-stable while only Prime was running, but if I loaded up some instant-messenger clients(ICQ and Yahoo Messenger, notably), it killed Prime.

I'm not 100% sure what I could do to really make it Prime stable at 2.48 ghz, but my system has a lot of weak points compared to Avalon's. Namely, my PSU is an Antec Smartpower 400W(could be better), and my board is the Chaintech VNF3-250(DFI would be better). Also, I'm using stock cooling. An XP-90 or 120 or somethin would probably help things out, as would better RAM with some heat-spreaders.
hmm...smart power isn't too bad, I could run a Clawhammer at 1.9vcore and not kill the 12v. It sounds like the caps on your mobo are hitting their limit.
 

gvbjr

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Avalon thats too bad about the chips i was hoping you would get the utt's so we could get an idea of their performance with your setup. Heres some infor on the mushkin blue.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=162

theres a good review of the mushkin blue. I read on oc forum that the only true utt is on ocz and twinmos. they said the rest were really ch5. However you can never be sure of what you are going to get becaues all manufacturers will substitute ic's to keep production running.

ocz speed bins their parts so you will get comparable performance and is less of a gamble but you pay a hefty premium for that.

However this was an interesting find http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=375537. Mushkin says that particular part from outpost is utt. go figure.
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: gvbjr
Avalon thats too bad about the chips i was hoping you would get the utt's so we could get an idea of their performance with your setup. Heres some infor on the mushkin blue.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=162

theres a good review of the mushkin blue. I read on oc forum that the only true utt is on ocz and twinmos. they said the rest were really ch5. However you can never be sure of what you are going to get becaues all manufacturers will substitute ic's to keep production running.

ocz speed bins their parts so you will get comparable performance and is less of a gamble but you pay a hefty premium for that.

However this was an interesting find http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=375537. Mushkin says that particular part from outpost is utt. go figure.

Yeah, they should be UTT. I kind of hope so, because I really want to try playing with them a little. If they aren't, I won't really be dissapointed or anything. I'll probably just stop for the meanwhile, and then wait for Venice before I try again.