The 4 Endings of DM M&M [Formerly: or Gothic 3?]

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Alienwho

Originally posted by: apoppin
no one?

it seems really buggy still - from looking at their forums ... a LOT of people STILL can't get it to run ... many are waiting for the 2nd patch

it really doesn't appear to be OS related ... looking at the threads, i guess some people are running Win2k ... some with problems... some not

That's weird, i'm already on chapter 6 and it's been rock solid with no noticable bugs.

Win2K or XP?

look at the forums ... there are people reporting bugs beginning on Chapter 12

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/...4/m/6651084794?r=6651084794#6651084794

of course ... by the time i get to the end, there WILL be patch 1.02.

IF i can get it to run [for sure] on Win2K
:Q

this could be my THIRD bugged game in-a-row
[FEAR XP/NWN2/DMoMM...?]

i guess i could ALSO pick up G3 to make it my 4th
:disgust:

and by then i will be looking for a Fifth ...

... of Whiskey



maybe not ... i don't drink alcohol
:roll:

Here goes ... wish me luck!

[GOOD luck]

 

[apoppin]

well, it ran fine till i tried to exit to desktop {somewhere in Chapter 2}

THEN it had a runtime error [but no hard lock] ... just like HL2 did ... a couple of years ago

it has a good start and is easy to catch on what to do [UNlike NWN2] plus you get 'action' right away

i like the gameplay and the controls


unfortunately, the s..s.ss.s..sSSSSStutter is still there in the Source Engine, i see
:roll:

and crap lighting & shadows [at least i don't have to carry a torch]
:frown:

but it runs GREAT on my midrange system ... Reflect All, HDR, 11x8, 0aa/4xAF, med textures and everything else High .... might even play with AA

so....

Good choice and thanks for your suggestions!
:thumbsup:

 

[warcrow]

To help with the studdering, the bes tthing you can do is defrag the game files via Steam. Right click on the game and go into properties. Somewhere in there, there is an option (advanced tab?) to defrag game files. Do that, even if it's at 0%. Once you do that, do it again....and then once more.

now that that is done, give it a shot. GL!

 

[apoppin]

how long does that take via dial-up?

is there any other way? i installed using the DVD and 1.01 patch from Ubi

[actually stuttering isn't bad ... compared with HL2 ... happens especially when you change levels or 'save']

it also suffers from fairly long load times at the levels
[ok. i am REALLY spoiled by Oblivion]

it's pretty linear isn't it?

Or can you just ignore the storyline for awhile and go off exploring?

and do i need to stop and do the skill points every time it is available? ... can i do a bunch at once when i see where it is going?

Finally is it better to specialize or be a jack-of-all-trades?

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: apoppin
how long does that take via dial-up?

is there any other way? i installed using the DVD and 1.01 patch from Ubi

[actually stuttering isn't bad ... compared with HL2 ... happens especially when you change levels or 'save']

it also suffers from fairly long load times at the levels
[ok. i am REALLY spoiled by Oblivion]

it's pretty linear isn't it?

Or can you just ignore the storyline for awhile and go off exploring?

and do i need to stop and do the skill points every time it is available? ... can i do a bunch at once when i see where it is going?

Finally is it better to specialize or be a jack-of-all-trades?

What are you trying to download? (did I miss it in the thread?)

And you'll want the 1.01 patch if you don't already have it. It really does help.
There is also things like no-cd/dvd if you don't like putting in your dvd every time you want to start the game. New 1.01 no-dvd just came out
It might help with some studdering if it checks the dvd.

Yes, it's like HL2 (you have a few choices but it basically all lead to the same 4 endings depending on what you do (I won't spoil it for you, but if you want to know, PM me )

Anyway, there's no exploring, no buying things, no nothing like Oblivion. They are just two different types of games. However, they are both really fun, just in a different way.

Also, check out the Dark Messiah Tweak Guide, it may have a few tweaks to get performance a little better, but the load times will stay the same. You might want to especially check out the advanced tweaks because of settings a heapsize, and setting cl_smooth to 0, etc... can all reduce stuttering (read about it)

And I would advise to build up a couple skill points, then spend them. (some of the later upgrades take a few skill points (by a few, I mean like 6+ if i remember right). But you gain them pretty fast. I like to sort of concentrate more on brute strength and combat (thats just me) but if you like magic you can focus on that too.
In the beginning you might be able to spend some of the skill points at once, but some of the later levels might take a few more then 1 or 2 skill points as I have said. (I sometimes forgot about them so I just play till I realize that I got them and use them )

And favorite weapon in the game is the daggers. Small, light, and fast. I think they are by far the best weapon in the game (especially some of the more powerful and magic ones, they do like +6 damage, or +4 damage+lightning junk.

 

[apoppin]

not trying to D/L anything ... Warcrow mentioned defragging the game files via Steam

i have Patch 1.01 ... installed it immediately after installing the game

i don't think the noDVD patch will make a difference ... the stuttering isn't that bad [often barely noticeable; sometimes more ... but it's just a Source Engine Bug ... no biggie]

as i said, the game runs GREAT on my system ... i'll use the Tweak Guide only if i get into trouble ... i expect to upgrade my x850xt > 1950p so i expect even better next month.
[phew]

i already found both daggers and use them almost exclusively .... slice and dice ... that's my style
:evil:

and getting the idea to spend the skill points when i need them

fun game ... so far ... i didn't expect Oblivion ... thank the Dieties it is NOthing like NWN2!
[i expect Oblivion only with its X-pack, Dec 4th]

thanks for the tips


i will d/l the Gothic3 demo in the next week of overnights to see if i like it also ... but at least i got a game to play that i think i really will like
[maybe FEAR's x-pack, too ... i traded for new CDs today to rule out a bad install file and will try reinstalling later]

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: apoppin
how long does that take via dial-up?

is there any other way? i installed using the DVD and 1.01 patch from Ubi

[actually stuttering isn't bad ... compared with HL2 ... happens especially when you change levels or 'save']

it also suffers from fairly long load times at the levels
[ok. i am REALLY spoiled by Oblivion]

it's pretty linear isn't it?

Or can you just ignore the storyline for awhile and go off exploring?

and do i need to stop and do the skill points every time it is available? ... can i do a bunch at once when i see where it is going?

Finally is it better to specialize or be a jack-of-all-trades?

If you think this has long load times, it's a good thing you didn't get gothic 3. I'm relieved at the load times, plus I really like the instant quick saving and extremely quick quick loading. Gothic 3's quicksaves take half a minute, and quickloads take a minute.

So far i've been making my character stealthy, with the ability to do a backstab. This along with my telekenesis skills and mana upgrades makes for some awesome fights.

 

[apoppin]

actually, the load times are pretty good for the amount of data the engine is keeping track of and the manner in accomplishes it

i was just comparing -- well, contrasting -- with Gamebryo's almost instantaneous and seamless loading

thanks for the warning on G3 ... i know i need [at least] +512 MB more system RAM [for 1.5GB total] to load that Engine's levels faster ... i will d/l the demo and check out gameplay as i wait for my RAM and GPU upgrade.

at least i got a couple of games now ... [well ... you never know about NWN2 ... technically that makes three ] ... and i intend to get the Oblivion X-pack

finally there are a lot of games to pick from ... even Prey is $20 at Amazon [or was this week]
:thumbsup:

 

[Mem]

My verdict on Dark Messiah,its not a bad game and does have a few bugs,my main problem is gameplay is very short,I'm at the end of the game already and I only started playing it a few days ago.

I'm playing as magic user ,using fireballs and lighting are quite good for dealing with enemies.


Looks like my Splinter Cell( not "Double Agent " but good oldie "Pandora Tomorrow)" is next on my playing list.

I'm still waiting for my NWN2 game,hopefully be a patch out by time it arrives.

Btw I still liked G3 a lot more then Dark Messiah ,was more to do, freedom/quests etc...however they are different games as some people(including myself) have already stated..

Update:My NWN2 game arrived,however I'll store it away until the international patch is out.

 

[apoppin]

i started as stealth and then tried mele ... started over and settled on magic

so far i really like it

occasional bugs and 'hiccups' but no real lockups and problems [like NWN2 and FEAR's XP]

looks really nice and plays really well [unless you are a stickler for Source's nearly non-existant lighting & shadows] ... running with most everything maxed [--except for 'med textures' at 11x8] and 2xAA/8xAF.

Combat/gameplay is excellent ... you have to look for ways to use the environment to defeat your enemies.

so far,

:thumbsup:

and i am over 40% d/led on G3 Demo ... so ... next weekend, i get to try it
[looks like i will get it also ... impressions to follow]

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Finished the game with only one crash. The stu-stu-stu-stu-stuttering is annoying, but once the level is loaded it's perfectly smooth. The magic is a bit overpowered - with inferno, sanctuary and heal, you're basically invincible.

 

[Alienwho]

I also finished the game. My conclusion:

It was a fun quick thrill. Good smooth gameplay, good graphics, lots of other stuff i already mentioned.

The bad: It was short, and I had like 15 learning points after i beat the game I didn't even end up using. I didn't really even need to use a lot of the learning points, a lot of the game was just really easy.

Also, it wasn't a very good storyline. The story didn't hook me at all. I kept playing just because the gameplay was so fun. There wasn't much satisfaction in winning the game. It was also easy to quicksave before the last "choice" of good or evil, so it was easy to see both alternate endings, which was not satisfying.

Verdict: Somebody make a Star Wars Jedi Knight mod out of this, that would rock.

 

[apoppin]

easy?

did you play it on 'normal' or hard?

hard is .... well, pretty hard
:Q

[for me]

 

[apoppin]

just curious ... you guys say it is short ...

did you just race thru it?

did you early finishers bother to do any 'exploring'? there are tons of hidden places

i decided to take it slow [after restarting as a mage] ... and eliminate ALL enemies .... then do exploring

i mean i didn't NEED to stop and forge my own Sword ... but had a lot of fun finding the book and then following all the details

this game is a blast!
:thumbsup:

very much a hybred FPS with some RPG elements ... reminds me of a more aggressive Thief Series.

oh yeah, 53%G3 d/l'ed
:Q
4 more nights!
:roll:

still a little buggy ... it usually crashed once per session ... my signal i have played too long.

Why is it DMoMM?
... there is no "of" ... it should be DM M&M

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: apoppin
oh yeah, 53%G3 d/l'ed
:Q
4 more nights!
:roll:

I think you might benefit more from finding an issue of something like PC Gamer or Computer Gaming Magazine (I think that's the name) that has the demo. I know what it's like being on dial-up as I was only lucky enough to switch to DSL about... 2 months ago? Then they were nice enough to upgrade from 1mbit to 4mbit .

 

[apoppin]

doesn't matter ... it is more of a 'joke' with my progress
[just to keep with the 'theme' G3 or DMMM]

i am actually playing and totally enjoying DM M&M ...

otoh, G3's D/L interferes with nothing ... i restart it when i go to bed and pause it in the morning ....

eventually, i will get either full satellite or 'wifi' ... both are basically a $300 equipment setup and $50-70 a month ... they just got to my area
... gotta wait for them to compete and prices to stabalize ... and there is NO reason that i can't really get DSL other than Verizon hasn't bothered to offer it my rural area.

 

[warcrow]

apoppin, I knew you would enjoy this game. You and I both (if I recall) enjoyed the Thief games quite a bit, and this game allows you to play the cloest thing to a Thief charcter in those great games, more than any other on the market (except for the originals of course).

Anyway, glad to hear you're enjoying it.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I had to put me and my wife on a budget and so I cannot buy whatever I want anymore... LOL, so I have to be careful where to spend my precious game dollars. This looks like a promising game, but I hate STEAM and I don't want to pay 50 bucks for the game :-(

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: warcrow
apoppin, I knew you would enjoy this game. You and I both (if I recall) enjoyed the Thief games quite a bit, and this game allows you to play the cloest thing to a Thief charcter in those great games, more than any other on the market (except for the originals of course).

Anyway, glad to hear you're enjoying it.

i am but i found a new toy


anyway SCREW the D/L

i just 'happened' to be in Beast Buy ... and this ugly brown box had G3 on the cover ... upon investigation it was $39.99 ... out came the cc ... and home i went with their last copy ...
on impulse
:Q

ANYway, i installed it, loaded it up ... everything is "medium" ... haven't played with any settings ... --but it looks -- and runs superbly!!!

the most 'intuitive' controls i have seen yet ... and a 3rd person perspective 'camera' to die for [compared with NWN2]
:heart:

it is a BEAUTIFUL game ... and after playing for an hour, i only had an issue on exiting
.

So far ... it has REPLACED Oblivion for me!
:shocked:

i guess i'll play DM M&M "in between" and set buggy NWN2 and FEAR's buggy Xpack aside till they are properly patched.


thanks mostly to Mem for his encouragement on this game

 

[apoppin]

I couldn't HELP myself ... this incredible game [Gothic3] has stopped me dead in my tracks on DM M&M!
:Q

and i haven't even read the flippin manual yet

letsee, i arrived in an old land in a new situation with an active mystery ... cleaned out a town of enemies [and loot!]; hated the orcs so joined the rebels, cleared an orc camp, some bandits, killed a bunch of boars and wolves [for a quest] ... gathered a bunch of herbs that turned out to be really useful for a Quest ["here's your 10 magic plants ... i just happen to have them with me"], cleared a cave of beasts and have had someone joined me already [decent fighter] ... fought in an arena and am on a quest for weapons & more ... traded, bought an expensive map ...

all this in the first 3 or 4 hours ... with no 'direction' whatsoever .... head off where ever you want and do whatever you want to do ... and with just a 'look' at the controls ... they are SO easy to pick up and totally intuitive. You do get 3rd person but can switch to a completely 1st person view [which gets weird whenever you interact, so i prefer 3rd]

and haven't even used any skill points although i am upgrading my gear

totally taken by it but i realize i HAVE to stop and read the manual before i really goof up


so far, it reminds me of Oblivion with lesser lighting ... and better fighting!

graphics are completely acceptable at 'med everything' at 10x7 [P3@3.2Ghz/x850xt/1GB PC3500] with very few hitches ... quite smooth [so far, after 3 or 4 hours ... the ONLY issue is on exit ... it tends to want to hang and i have used the Task Mgr to end it ... much less buggy than NWN2, FEAR's XP or even DM M&M]

i realize i am just beginning G3 ... but i am 'hooked' ... the 'mood', gameplay, setting, cast of characters, and wide openness of it ... the gfx are also a plus

rarely does this happen so quickly!

 

[Mem]

apoppin:glad you like the game,people need to look past the bugs and just play the game to enjoy it,for the most part it really is enjoyable and the freedom you have is another great plus point,if you need any tips let me know .

Btw remember to turn shadows off for faster FPS.

Minor spoiler below!!!!... for you m8.

The Orc in Cape Dun near the warehouse has a fire chalice,so remember to pick that up,when you free the town or buy it off him.


Link,this thread has most of the spoilers if you get stuck.

 

[skace]

Whatever you do, patch that beast as soon as possible.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem
apoppin:glad you like the game,people need to look past the bugs and just play the game to enjoy it,for the most part it really is enjoyable and the freedom you have is another great plus point,if you need any tips let me know .

Btw remember to turn shadows off for faster FPS.

Minor spoiler below!!!!... for you m8.

The Orc in Cape Dun near the warehouse has a fire chalice,so remember to pick that up,when you free the town or buy it off him.


Link,this thread has most of the spoilers if you get stuck.

i have to say ... thanks to you!!!

your Original thread really encouraged me to pick it up ... when i saw it was $40 and not $50, i decided to give it a go ... and very happy with it

well, i read the manual ... i guess i am heading in the "right direction" with the game ... actually the NH is heading to Cape Dun, so i will look for the chalice

thanks for the tips and links

i haven't attempted to adjust anything ... i think there are some simple shadows enabled ... everything is at "med" at 10x7 [the 'default'] ... and it runs very smoothly [more so than DM M&M!] ... the only issue was on exiting

and skace, the US version IS patched ... i believe it got the 2nd European patch included ...

i am really looking forward to upgrading to x1950pro ... a few more 'details' would be nice although frankly, it is a beautiful game

 

[Malladine]

G3 huh? Looks like that might be my next RPG after Oblivion, which I just bought

Hey, should I get G2 before G3? I hear that's a decent RPG in it's own right.

I'm finding oblivion to be pretty tough, though i did turn up difficulty to about 60% from 50%. entered two or three cave/dungeons so far and been turned back in every one of em by some tough mob or other. Goblin skirmisher in fort ash and a reguard with a huge axe in the first dungeon type place after exiting the prison area, Vil.. something?

 

[skace]

Getting G2 before G3 is way too much gaming, unlesss you are ready to dedicate 250 hours to it or something. I'd suggest playing G3, if you really enjoy it, then once you have some free time get G2 and play through it.