The 20th Century changed everything...

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For the first 10,000 or so years of human history, we more or less lived the same way our parents always had. Most people never traveled beyond 25 miles from where they were born. Life was hard and brutal, survival of the fittest was the order of the day.

Then in the 19th Century things started to change, the Industrial revolution started to change how people lived. When the Unites States of America was formed, 80% of the population lived on farms, most of whom grew enough food only for themselves. Today, fewer than 1% of the population lives on a farm (about 1 million), yet they can provide enough food to feed about 1,000 times their number, or nearly 1 billion people.

There were many innovations in the 19th century, the Cotton Gin for example, the Internal Combustion engine for another... but it was the 20th Century that really changed the world.

In the year 2000, the National Academy of Engineering put together a list of the 20 greatest engineering achievements of the 20th Century. This is not a list of the most important events or people, but rather of the 20 things that most changed how we live, work, and play. As a footnote, I have to completely agree with Time Magazine in naming Albert Einstein the Person of the Century. More than anyone else, he changed our fundamental understanding of the universe itself.

1. Electrification
In the 20th century, widespread electrification gave us power for our cities, factories, farms, and homes - and forever changed our lives. Thousands of engineers made it happen, with innovative work in fuel sources, power generating techniques, and transmission grids. From street lights to supercomputers, electric power makes our lives safer, healthier, and more convenient.

2. Automobile
The automobile may be the ultimate symbol of personal freedom. It's also the world's major transporter of people and goods, and a strong source of economic growth and stability. From early Tin Lizzies to today's sleek sedans, the automobile is a showcase of 20th century engineering ingenuity, with countless innovations made in design, production, and safety.

3. Airplane
Today you can go from Europe to America in 4 hours on the Concorde. In 1900, the same trip took 7 to 10 days by boat. Modern air travel transports goods and people quickly around the globe, facilitating our personal, cultural, and commercial interaction. Engineering innovation - from the Wright brothers to supersonic jets - have made it all possible.

4. Water Supply and Distribution
Today, a simple turn of the tap provides clean water - a precious resource. Engineering advances in managing this resource - with water treatment, supply, and distribution systems - changed life profoundly in the 20th century, virtually eliminating waterborne diseases in developed nations, and providing clean and abundant water for communities, farms, and industries.

5. Electronics
Electronics provide the basis for countless innovations - CD players, TVs, and computers, to name a few. From vacuum tubes to transistors to integrated circuits, engineers have made electronics smaller, more powerful, and more efficient, paving the way for products that have improved the quality and convenience of modern life.

6. Radio and Television
Radio and television were major agents of social change in the 20th century, opening windows to other lives, to remote areas of the world, and to history in the making. From the wireless telegraph to today's advanced satellite systems, engineers have developed remarkable technologies that inform and entertain millions every day.

7. Agricultural Mechanization
The machinery of farms - tractors, cultivators, combines, and hundreds of others - dramatically increased farm efficiency and productivity in the 20th century. At the start of the century, four U.S. farmers could feed about 10 people. By the end, with the help of engineering innovation, a single farmer could feed more than 100.

8. Computers
The computer is a defining symbol of 20th century technology - a tool that has transformed businesses and lives around the world, increased productivity, and opened access to vast amounts of knowledge. Computers relieved the drudgery of simple tasks, and brought new capabilities to complex ones. Engineering ingenuity fueled this revolution, and continues to make computers faster, more powerful, and more affordable.

9. Telephone
The telephone is a cornerstone of modern life. Nearly instant connections - between friends, families, businesses, and nations - enable communications that enhance our lives, industries, and economies. With remarkable innovations, engineers have brought us from copper wire to fiber optics, from switchboards to satellites, and from party lines to the Internet. Truly, the telephone has brought the human family together.

10. Air Conditioning and Refrigeration
Air conditioning and refrigeration changed life immensely in the 20th century. Dozens of engineering innovations made it possible to transport and store fresh foods, and to adapt the environment to human needs. Once luxuries, air conditioning and refrigeration are now common necessities which greatly enhance our quality of life.

11. Highways
Highways provide one of our most cherished assets - the freedom of personal mobility. The story of their construction is one of the most remarkable of the 20th century. Thousands of engineers built the roads, bridges, and tunnels that connect our communities, enable goods and services to reach remote areas, encourage growth, and facilitate commerce.

12. Spacecraft
From early test rockets to sophisticated satellites, the human expansion into space is perhaps the most amazing engineering feat of the 20th century. The development of spacecraft has thrilled the world, expanded our knowledge base, and improved our capabilities. Thousands of useful products and services have resulted from the space program, including medical devices, improved weather forecasting, and wireless communications.

13. Internet
Initially a tool to link research center computers, the Internet has become a vital instrument of social change. Created via a series of engineering innovations, the Internet is changing business practices, educational pursuits, and personal communications. By providing global access to news, commerce, and vast stores of information, the Internet brings us together and adds convenience and efficiency to our lives.

14. Imaging
From tiny atoms to distant galaxies, 20th century imaging technologies have expanded the reach of our vision. Probing the human body, mapping ocean floors, tracking weather patterns - all are the result of engineering advances. Coupled with the computer, imaging gives us incredible new views, both within and beyond the human body and environment.

15. Household Appliances
Household appliances dramatically changed the 20th century lifestyle by eliminating much of the labor of everyday tasks. Engineering innovation produced a wide variety of devices, including electric ranges, vacuum cleaners, dishwashers, and dryers. These and other products give us more free time, enable more people to work outside the home, and contribute significantly to our economy.

16. Health Technologies
Advances in 20th century medical technology have been astounding. Armed with only a few instruments in 1900, medical professionals now have an arsenal of diagnostic and treatment equipment at their disposal. Artificial organs, replacement joints, imaging technologies, and biomaterials are but a few of the engineered products that improve the quality of life for millions.

17. Petroleum and Petrochemical Technologies
Petroleum has been a critical component of 20th century life, providing fuel for cars, homes, and industries. Also critical, petrochemicals are used in products ranging from aspirin to zippers. Spurred on by engineering advances in oil exploration and processing, petroleum products have had an enormous impact on world economies, peoples, and politics.

18. Laser and Fiber Optics
Pulses of light from lasers are used in industrial tools, surgical devices, satellites, and other products. In communications, highly pure glass fibers now provide the infrastructure to carry information via laser-produced light - a revolutionary technical achievement. Today, a single fiber-optic cable can transmit tens of millions of phone calls, data files, and video images.

19. Nuclear Technologies
The harnessing of the atom changed the nature of war forever and astounded the world with its awesome power. Nuclear technologies also gave us a new source of electric power and new capabilities in medical research and imaging. Though controversial, the engineering achievements related to nuclear technologies remain among the most important of the 20th century.

20. High-performance Materials
From the building blocks of iron and steel to the latest advances in polymers, ceramics, and composites, the 20th century has seen a revolution in materials. Engineers have tailored and enhanced material properties for uses in thousands of applications. In aircraft, medical devices, computers, and other products, high-performance materials have a great impact on our quality of life.

Long list to be sure, but if you think about what has really changed our lives, everything on that list belongs there.

One of the newest on that list is the Internet. We're just starting to see how that is changing the world. Just 10 years ago almost no one had an Internet connection, the World Wide Web didn't exist, and e-mail was something large corporations used. Today, kids have their own e-mail accounts on their Internet connected wireless phones, more than half the people in the United States have a connection to the Internet, and there are now more e-mail accounts than phone lines. If you ask the average office worker today what he most needs, his answer is just as likely to be his computer as it is his telephone.

May the 21st Century hold bold, new challenges and great new wonders to be discovered. Four of them that I personally think will change everything and arrive sometime in the next 100 years:

1. AI - Artificial Intelligence
This has been predicted to be "just around the corner" so many times, some people are starting to wonder if it will ever arrive. Like so many things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. It won't arrive all at once, but it will sneak up on us when we're least expecting it to. It won't happen in 10 years, but it won't take 100 either. If computers continue to double in power every 18 months for the next 40 years as they have for the past 40 years, then I expect this to arrive by the middle of the century. Like the computer, this will again change our lives, it will provide an intelligent assistant to everyone who can afford one, perhaps everyone period if computers continue to drop in price as they double in power.

2. Energy
The discovery and development of new energy technologies will define the 21st Century. Fission is a messy and dangerous power source, Fusion is not. I fully expect fusion power reactors to be developed some time in the next 100 years. Once that happens, there would be no further reason to develop electricity in any other fashion. The discovery and development of anti-matter brings fourth another possible energy source an order of magnitude again higher than fusion. At that power level it is probably too dangerous to use on our planet, but we could build anti-matter reactors on the Moon or in space and beam the power back via microwaves. It could also be used as the next great space ship (or perhaps even star ship) propulsion technology.

3. Robotics
This was the great hope and fear of the 20th Century. As in movies like "The Day the Earth Stood Still", robots were both admired and feared. What happened in reality was robots looked nothing like humans, they were (by our standards) dumb, and could only do basic tasks. But do them they could, at a speed and precision level unmatchable by humans. Today robots build our cars, appliances, and even office buildings. They work bomb disposal, sweep city streets, and cleanup hazardous waste dumps. Tomorrow we'll see more robots like Honda's ASIMO humanoid robot. They will walk and talk just like us, they will be able to perform many of the tasks that we perform. I see a time when all garbage is picked up by robots, food is prepared by them, children are entertained by them, wars are fought by them, and labor is performed by them. The risk here is that we may become even more lazy than we already are, but the solution to that lies elsewhere. Robots should bring the cost of producing things down to a point where the next item on my list might come true.

4. Money
Yes, I know money already exists, but maybe it won't for too much longer. As computers get more and more powerful, as robots become ever more capable, at some point intelligent robots will be able to produce additional intelligent robots without the need for human assistance. With a basically unlimited supply of robots, their cost should drop to zero which would destroy our current economic system. If the robots can mine the raw materials, refine them, then build more robots, then repair those that are damaged, they cease to have any value as they are infinitely replaceable. Things would also lose their value because robots could make an unlimited number of everything from toaster ovens to clothes to whatever. The powers that be may never allow this to happen, but I can see no reason why it isn't theoretically possible. Yes, I know this last one is way out there and a hundred and one things can get in the way, but it also is technically possible, so it is worth considering.
 

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26

4. Money
Yes, I know money already exists, but maybe it won't for too much longer. As computers get more and more powerful, as robots become ever more capable, at some point intelligent robots will be able to produce additional intelligent robots without the need for human assistance. With a basically unlimited supply of robots, their cost should drop to zero which would destroy our current economic system. If the robots can mine the raw materials, refine them, then build more robots, then repair those that are damaged, they cease to have any value as they are infinitely replaceable. Things would also lose their value because robots could make an unlimited number of everything from toaster ovens to clothes to whatever. The powers that be may never allow this to happen, but I can see no reason why it isn't theoretically possible. Yes, I know this last one is way out there and a hundred and one things can get in the way, but it also is technically possible, so it is worth considering.

resources are scarce, money is the easiest way to match buyers and sellers of scarce resources... money is merely a commodity good which people will use because they're more likely to encounter people that want it rather than the good they originally were selling (usually their labor)... its why cigs become money in pow camps...
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
resources are scarce, money is the easiest way to match buyers and sellers of scarce resources... money is merely a commodity good which people will use because they're more likely to encounter people that want it rather than the good they originally were selling (usually their labor)... its why cigs become money in pow camps...

Resources are scarce to a point. A better way to put it is, "resources are time consuming to obtain".

By the time this might occour, we could be mining astroids for raw materials, we might have figured out how to rearrange protons, neturons, and electrons to convert dirt into any raw material on the periodic table. Once we can do that, all we need are robots to put it all together. If 1 robot can build 10, and those 10 can build 100, and those 100 can build a thousand... In very short order everyone would have their own personal robot and it wouldn't cost a dime (except for the very first one, which would be insanely expensive, but it only takes one person to give it away to change the world).

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4. Money
Yes, I know money already exists, but maybe it won't for too much longer. As computers get more and more powerful, as robots become ever more capable, at some point intelligent robots will be able to produce additional intelligent robots without the need for human assistance. With a basically unlimited supply of robots, their cost should drop to zero which would destroy our current economic system. If the robots can mine the raw materials, refine them, then build more robots, then repair those that are damaged, they cease to have any value as they are infinitely replaceable. Things would also lose their value because robots could make an unlimited number of everything from toaster ovens to clothes to whatever. The powers that be may never allow this to happen, but I can see no reason why it isn't theoretically possible. Yes, I know this last one is way out there and a hundred and one things can get in the way, but it also is technically possible, so it is worth considering.

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This reminds me too much of a perpetual motion machine. It will never happen.
 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
This reminds me too much of a perpetual motion machine. It will never happen.

Like I said, it is a stretch...

Before you use that "never" word (bad word), think about this...

Would you go to work if you didn't need to buy anything? If you had your own personal robots that could repair each other and build anything you wanted, what would be the point of money? (again, except to build the first self-reproducing robot)

Or are you saying we'll never develop robots that can build more robots?

Grasshopper
 

deftron

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Why do you post every list, joke, story or editorial that you come across ?



Wow, you can surf the internet..

Cowabunga, dude.
 
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well as all the sci-i movies say. If we build robots that can fix themselves and make other(procreate) and we develope A.I.(which will be nessasry for these robots to function) we are dabbling in realms that could lead to the end of man kind. If a robot is self sufficient, why does it need us?
 

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Originally posted by: deftron
Why do you post every list, joke, story or editorial that you come across ?

Sure that was a list, but dammit I took a lot of time typing the intro and footer sections of that.

The future things at the bottom, all mine, all original. :D

Wow, you can surf the internet..

Cowabunga, dude.

ROTFL! The TMNT were cool back in the 80's...

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
This reminds me too much of a perpetual motion machine. It will never happen.

Like I said, it is a stretch...

Before you use that "never" word (bad word), think about this...

Would you go to work if you didn't need to buy anything? If you had your own personal robots that could repair each other and build anything you wanted, what would be the point of money? (again, except to build the first self-reproducing robot)

Or are you saying we'll never develop robots that can build more robots?

You're talking about autonomous self-reproducing, self-repairing mechanical devices. In effect, you're looking at machines of a complexity that rivals biological organisms. Even presuming that sort of technology existed, you would also need essentially free access to energy and materials to power those devices and fabricate any replacement parts. But if you had free access to energy and materials, you've already solved the material want problem and money isn't an issue anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
well as all the sci-i movies say. If we build robots that can fix themselves and make other(procreate) and we develope A.I.(which will be nessasry for these robots to function) we are dabbling in realms that could lead to the end of man kind. If a robot is self sufficient, why does it need us?

I left that part off to try and avoid getting into a debate over it...

Yes, that is true... If the robots can build themselves and repair themselves and build more robots, what on Earth do they need us humans for?

I don't have an answer to that...

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Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: guyver01
can i get the cliff's notes version??
:confused:

Yea, I knew that was going to be way too damm long for most people to read.

These days, people want the soundbite, but don't care about the actual story. Hey, I'm that way too, don't take that personally...

Interesting reading if you have the time however... :)

Grasshopper
 

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Here is another thought for the 21st or 22nd century.
Eventually man will figure out how to make the transporter like they have in star trek.
Obviously when it does happen it won't work just like star trek ones. It will most likely need both a sender and a receiver. It may not be possible to transport living beings though. This also brings up the question of wether AI's will have a soul or not, but that is getting far away from the point. It will be expensive and will probably only initially be had by governments and large companies.
Now think about this. The receiving unit is essentially turning energy into matter. Once a pattern is stored it could be reproduced many times over.
If you could produce anything you had the pattern for it would no longer be necessary to manufacture anything. All you have to do is make one of something, get it's pattern and the receiver type unit could replicate billions of it at only the cost of electricity....

If the past 200 years have turned the world on it's ear, watch out for the next 200 years.
Of course this is all dependent on earth keeping together as a civilization. If everything collapses and we fall into barbarianism then it will be more like 2000 years before we see any of these technologies.
 

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Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
You're talking about autonomous self-reproducing, self-repairing mechanical devices. In effect, you're looking at machines of a complexity that rivals biological organisms. Even presuming that sort of technology existed, you would also need essentially free access to energy and materials to power those devices and fabricate any replacement parts. But if you had free access to energy and materials, you've already solved the material want problem and money isn't an issue anyway.

Yes, and robots would be how you get access to free energy and materials, it is a package solution. None of it works without the robots, hence you must build the first one the hard way.

Robots could build and run their own power plants, they could mine the raw materials themselves, they could manafacture any tools or parts they needed. They would completely replace humans for labor. All designs for everything they need are stored in their memory banks, perhaps even a few would be able to make new designs (but that isn't required for this).

If they are self-building, self-powered, and can obtain raw materials without human assistance, then anything they build becomes basicly free because no one put any effort into it.

If the robots can produce a billion toasters, what then does a toaster become worth?

If the robots can produce a billion 42" plasma TVs, what then does such a TV become worth?

When the supply starts to equal demand, what happens to our way of life?

I lack the answers to these questions, but they are interesting questions...

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: ElFenix
resources are scarce, money is the easiest way to match buyers and sellers of scarce resources... money is merely a commodity good which people will use because they're more likely to encounter people that want it rather than the good they originally were selling (usually their labor)... its why cigs become money in pow camps...

Resources are scarce to a point. A better way to put it is, "resources are time consuming to obtain".

By the time this might occour, we could be mining astroids for raw materials, we might have figured out how to rearrange protons, neturons, and electrons to convert dirt into any raw material on the periodic table. Once we can do that, all we need are robots to put it all together. If 1 robot can build 10, and those 10 can build 100, and those 100 can build a thousand... In very short order everyone would have their own personal robot and it wouldn't cost a dime (except for the very first one, which would be insanely expensive, but it only takes one person to give it away to change the world).

Grasshopper

even if everything is infinite it would still cost something to mine all that etc... you need money to determine what to do when
 

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
This reminds me too much of a perpetual motion machine. It will never happen.

Like I said, it is a stretch...

Before you use that "never" word (bad word), think about this...

Would you go to work if you didn't need to buy anything? If you had your own personal robots that could repair each other and build anything you wanted, what would be the point of money? (again, except to build the first self-reproducing robot)

Or are you saying we'll never develop robots that can build more robots?

Grasshopper


Just to twist this a bit, let's pretend that your scenario came to pass. Everybody can have any material thing they want. Everybody would be pretty much equal.

Now, let's inject Human nature into it. There is always going to be some bastage that wants to have more than the other guy. There is always going to be a person or group who believes that nobody should have certain things. This group would reprogram their robots to attack the offending people/robots. Retaliation would be inevitable. Robots would be destroyed faster than they could be replaced or repaired.

Back to beginning of story. Sounds like things would be no better or worse than they are now.

There are many avenues that could be explored assuming your premise is possible.

Personally, I think that the robots would find humans to be an unnecessary nuisance, eventually. They would attempt to destroy us.

 

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Originally posted by: Freejack2

If you could produce anything you had the pattern for it would no longer be necessary to manufacture anything. All you have to do is make one of something, get it's pattern and the receiver type unit could replicate billions of it at only the cost of electricity....

What you just described is called a replicator, it is basicly a transporter that converts energy into "things".

Since E=MC2, replicators should be possible to invent. Energy and matter are in fact interchangable.

If the past 200 years have turned the world on it's ear, watch out for the next 200 years.

No kidding, I've got this feeling that the next hundred years is going to make the last look down right slow motion.

Think about this... In 1899 Charles H. Duell said "Everything that can be invented has been invented," insisting that his office be shut down just before he resigned as the U.S. Commissioner of Patents.

I'm quite sure the 1800's were remarkable compared to all of human history before them, but we now know the 1800's were downright pale compared to the 1900's. The 21st Century may well repeat that and make the 20th look drab by comparison.

Grasshopper
 

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You are crazy, making thing essentially free would turn humanity into a crazy bung of children making people who can do nothing but order something else. If 42 inch plasma tv's are readilly avaible for free to everyone, everyone is gonna want bigger tv's. Eventually everyone wants their own private planet/solar system/galaxy. This obviousely cant work.
 

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26

If they are self-building, self-powered, and can obtain raw materials without human assistance, then anything they build becomes basicly free because no one put any effort into it.

You're presuming that manufacturing labor is the sole factor of cost. Unless you're also presuming that robots have the expertise to engineer the devices they build, there is the labor associated with design costs, prototyping, quality assurance, verification of compliance with standards, and a host of other issues I'm sure I'm forgetting beyond the construction of a device.

But current economic theory is essentially useless given the removal of the basic tenet of scarcity.
 

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy This reminds me too much of a perpetual motion machine. It will never happen.
Like I said, it is a stretch... Before you use that "never" word (bad word), think about this... Would you go to work if you didn't need to buy anything? If you had your own personal robots that could repair each other and build anything you wanted, what would be the point of money? (again, except to build the first self-reproducing robot) Or are you saying we'll never develop robots that can build more robots? Grasshopper
Just to twist this a bit, let's pretend that your scenario came to pass. Everybody can have any material thing they want. Everybody would be pretty much equal. Now, let's inject Human nature into it. There is always going to be some bastage that wants to have more than the other guy. There is always going to be a person or group who believes that nobody should have certain things. This group would reprogram their robots to attack the offending people/robots. Retaliation would be inevitable. Robots would be destroyed faster than they could be replaced or repaired. Back to beginning of story. Sounds like things would be no better or worse than they are now. There are many avenues that could be explored assuming your premise is possible. Personally, I think that the robots would find humans to be an unnecessary nuisance, eventually. They would attempt to destroy us.

Not to worry. You cant even ask if it is possible to copy a DVD with a DVD burner. Ther RIAA and MPAA have held back technology with lawyers. No, anything that would provide whatever you like will be strangled before it ever gets off the drawing board.