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that's it! I want AntiAliasing like the Wildcat III can do! (pics included)
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Electric Amish
Elite Member
This is one of the competitors for the Parhelia. 🙂
amish
dullard
Elite Member
The Wildcat II 5110 completely wasted any other card (much higher performance and much higher price). I haven't heard much about the Wildcat III - just that it gives 25% to 65% speed boost over the Wildcat II. From what I read it looked like the Parhelia would compete nicely with the Wildcat II performance - thus it will be 25%-65% slower than the Wildcat III. Of course you will pay 5 times as much for the Wildcat III.
16X Multisampling................. 😀
Nice, but I would question it's ability to pump out high framerates at that level. The thing is of course, a card like the Wildcat III doesn't need high framerates at that level. It's not meant for games but for professional 3D. I would love one, but I can't afford a Wildcat, let alone a Wildcat III 🙂
I did think though that the pictures of the car anti-aliased weren't all that impressive, I don't think they were using the 16X sampling there, or were they?
Nice, but I would question it's ability to pump out high framerates at that level. The thing is of course, a card like the Wildcat III doesn't need high framerates at that level. It's not meant for games but for professional 3D. I would love one, but I can't afford a Wildcat, let alone a Wildcat III 🙂
I did think though that the pictures of the car anti-aliased weren't all that impressive, I don't think they were using the 16X sampling there, or were they?
BFG10K
Lifer
This is the first form of FSAA I've seen that doesn't blur the image but of course since the textures are just primitive single colour ones it's hard to tell what it'll actually do to proper noisy textures like games have. But from what I can tell it looks very good.
I doubt that very much. Most professional 3D cards are very poor at playing games and generating high framerates. A standard GF3 will likely cream it in 3D gaming performance.
You do realize that the WildCat will likely suck at games, right?
Not to mention it will probabaly be in the 1.000-2.500$ range depending on configuration. 😉
These cards don't aim for high fillrates and other gaming essentials, they aim for triangle throughput, CAD/Pro3D features, and stable high quality drivers.
Ace's included a WildCat II in a video card roundup once, just for kicks, and sure enough, it got it's ass whopped all over the place.
Not to mention it will probabaly be in the 1.000-2.500$ range depending on configuration. 😉
These cards don't aim for high fillrates and other gaming essentials, they aim for triangle throughput, CAD/Pro3D features, and stable high quality drivers.
Ace's included a WildCat II in a video card roundup once, just for kicks, and sure enough, it got it's ass whopped all over the place.
DaveBaumann
Member
grant2,
"Check out the interior shot in that article, in the AA scene you can even read the larger buttons on the console."
Theres an explaination for why that occurs (despite MSAA seeming having no effect on textures) here.
Adul,
"yes I do realize that. Hence my topics title. I want antialiasing like that in a gaming card of today"
From 3Dlabs P10, which Creative will be bringing to the desktop later this year, you more or less will. P10 doesn't feature the same memory management as Wildcat's SuperScene AA, but it does feature the same sampling methods up to 8 samples - it will be able to do the 'intelligent' sampling or Stocastic random sampling that Wildcat does. Again, P10 will feature a matrix of 16x16 possible sample points of which 8 samples will occur in it.
I'm not sure of the edge quality of Matrox's FAA as yet though. My best guess currently is that Matrox's solution will be much faster but may not have the compatability with all games. I'm not sure of the sample positions of FAA yet either so I don't yet know what the quality could be like against P10.
"Check out the interior shot in that article, in the AA scene you can even read the larger buttons on the console."
Theres an explaination for why that occurs (despite MSAA seeming having no effect on textures) here.
Adul,
"yes I do realize that. Hence my topics title. I want antialiasing like that in a gaming card of today"
From 3Dlabs P10, which Creative will be bringing to the desktop later this year, you more or less will. P10 doesn't feature the same memory management as Wildcat's SuperScene AA, but it does feature the same sampling methods up to 8 samples - it will be able to do the 'intelligent' sampling or Stocastic random sampling that Wildcat does. Again, P10 will feature a matrix of 16x16 possible sample points of which 8 samples will occur in it.
I'm not sure of the edge quality of Matrox's FAA as yet though. My best guess currently is that Matrox's solution will be much faster but may not have the compatability with all games. I'm not sure of the sample positions of FAA yet either so I don't yet know what the quality could be like against P10.
DaveBaumann
Member
Hey Adul, pleased to hear you liked the article.
As for a match-up, unfortunately the wildcat has gone back to 3Dlabs now, so I won?t be able to use that. I still have the same application so I should be able to run the other over it if I get access to them.
Also, I think once the new cards are available we?ll do a round up of all the new forms of AA since V5/GTS (which B3D?s AA whitepaper looked at) ? we?ll look at their hardware implementations, the sampling positions (probably using that same test app) and probably some real world output examples.
As for a match-up, unfortunately the wildcat has gone back to 3Dlabs now, so I won?t be able to use that. I still have the same application so I should be able to run the other over it if I get access to them.
Also, I think once the new cards are available we?ll do a round up of all the new forms of AA since V5/GTS (which B3D?s AA whitepaper looked at) ? we?ll look at their hardware implementations, the sampling positions (probably using that same test app) and probably some real world output examples.
Electric Amish
Elite Member
Yes it will. ~20% performance hit... 😉
amish
Our CAD guy at work has a Wildcat 2 128 meg card in his computer... Nice card price was 1800.00 bucks... I loaded Quake 3 demo on his comp ran some benches and my 8500 blew it out of the water... It was still pulling some nice framrates and a very nice clean picture too... But for the price i'll stick with the 8500 🙂