That hippo is charging you! Shoot man SHOOT!

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

Hippos need to be hunted? They're close to being endangered.

Hippos are responsible for more deaths then any other animal in Africa.
That, and when you do go on a big game hunt most of the animal gets used up. Its not like the old days of buffalo hunting where you kill an entire herd just for the hide and let the rest rot in the sun.

So because they defend their ever shrinking terrority, they need to die?? That's ridiculous. Leave them alone, and they won't kill anyone.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

wtf are you talking about? pygmy hippos are endangered... african elephants just got off the endangered species list.

"fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted"??? why, because the world is better off with these animals extinct?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

Hippos need to be hunted? They're close to being endangered.

Hippos are responsible for more deaths then any other animal in Africa.
That, and when you do go on a big game hunt most of the animal gets used up. Its not like the old days of buffalo hunting where you kill an entire herd just for the hide and let the rest rot in the sun.

So because they defend their ever shrinking terrority, they need to die?? That's ridiculous. Leave them alone, and they won't kill anyone.

seriously... wtf is wrong with some of these people?

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Specop 007Hippos are responsible for more deaths then any other animal in Africa..

They are second or third. The Cape Buffalo is the most dangerous animal in Africa.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

wtf are you talking about? pygmy hippos are endangered... african elephants just got off the endangered species list.

"fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted"??? why, because the world is better off with these animals extinct?

It depends how you look at it.
No, obviously the animals should be hunted to extinction. But populations DO need to be controlled. One way to do this is through allowing hunters to hunt the animals. Doing this bring sin revenue in the form of hunting permits, controls the population and lets people who like to hunt enjoy their hobby. The other option is to send out the game warden and have him start shooting.
Might as well make a few bucks off the deal.

I dont know enough about the African setups to tell you how much culling is necessary. I can tell you in America one reason for deer hunting (As an example) truly is population control.
If the populations are allowed to progress following natural order the populations rise to high. This in turn leads to animals starving due to lack of food and also leads to higher rates of diseases. Hunting is a needed aspect for good population control. You can have a medium sized population of healthy animals or you can have a large population of animals that are sick and hungry.

Again, I dont know enough about the African setup to say to what levels these hunts are population control and to what extent they are simply revenue generating devices. In the case of elephants herd sizes need to be controlled because they will quite frankly eat themselves out of house, home and tree. Then you get the situation of animals starving.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Specop 007Hippos are responsible for more deaths then any other animal in Africa..

They are second or third. The Cape Buffalo is the most dangerous animal in Africa.

people are the most dangerous animal, everywhere.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: Specop 007Hippos are responsible for more deaths then any other animal in Africa..

They are second or third. The Cape Buffalo is the most dangerous animal in Africa.

From Wiki

Hippos are highly territorial; a male hippo often marks his territory along a riverbank from which to draw in a harem of females, while defending it against other males. Male hippos challenge one another with threatening gapes. Their canine teeth are 50 cm (20 inches) long, and it uses its head as a battering ram, especially against rival males while fighting over territory. Since their habitat is often encroached upon by farmers and tourists, and because they are so territorial, the hippopotamus is the most dangerous animals in Africa. They kill crocodiles, lions and are even responsible for more human deaths than any other African animal [3]. The hippo does not hunt humans, but defends its own territory vigorously.

 

[tyler811]

There is guy that plays on my CoD BF42 servers every night and he went to Africa to do some big game hunting. He told me that the meat goes the local villages so people can eat. It cost several thousands of dollars to do this kind of hunting and the people who have these camps are richer then hell.

I have emailed him the link to the video and will see what he says about. I will post back here what he says tonight on TS.

I used to hunt but what I killed I ate and donated the hides to charity. I have never seen any sh!t like this before.

 

[RichUK]

This is just wrong!

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

wtf are you talking about? pygmy hippos are endangered... african elephants just got off the endangered species list.

"fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted"??? why, because the world is better off with these animals extinct?

Are you serious about hunting them into extinction?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: tyler811
There is guy that plays on my CoD BF42 servers every night and he went to Africa to do some big game hunting. He told me that the meat goes the local villages so people can eat. It cost several thousands of dollars to do this kind of hunting and the people who have these camps are richer then hell.

I have emailed him the link to the video and will see what he says about. I will post back here what he says tonight on TS.

I used to hunt but what I killed I ate and donated the hides to charity. I have never seen any sh!t like this before.

And its true. Most of the animal is in fact used up. As I said earlier, the days of shooting the buffalo for the hide and leaving the rest to rot in the sun are long over.

Tell you friend to give us a story. African hunters usually have fantastic stories. Saw a picture of a guy up in a tree looking down....And a rhino on the ground looking up!

Same guy also mentioned cat hunting. He wounded a cat that ran into tall brush. They had to go in and find it, he said that was a damn hairy experience. Walking in tall brush looking for a large cat wasnt his idea of a "fun" hunt. One of the trackers with him carried only a pistol. When he asked why the tracker replied "Its all you need. When the cat grabs for your neck you shoot him in the head with the pistol"......

:Q

I seriously want do to a safari. Hey, ask him who he goes through too.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I dont know enough about the African setups to tell you how much culling is necessary. I can tell you in America one reason for deer hunting (As an example) truly is population control.
If the populations are allowed to progress following natural order the populations rise to high. This in turn leads to animals starving due to lack of food and also leads to higher rates of diseases. Hunting is a needed aspect for good population control. You can have a medium sized population of healthy animals or you can have a large population of animals that are sick and hungry.

Again, I dont know enough about the African setup to say to what levels these hunts are population control and to what extent they are simply revenue generating devices. In the case of elephants herd sizes need to be controlled because they will quite frankly eat themselves out of house, home and tree. Then you get the situation of animals starving.

The difference is that the deer population has EXPLODED in this century, whereas most of the big game in Africa is actually endangered. Your "example" is EXACTLY the opposite of the situation you're trying to describe.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: eits
wtf are you talking about? pygmy hippos are endangered... african elephants just got off the endangered species list.

"fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted"??? why, because the world is better off with these animals extinct?

Pygmy hippos are vulnerable, H. l. heslopi, a subspecies, is critically endangered.

 

[CKent]

*spills tofu all over freshly painted toenails*

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted. Its like any animal, you cant just walk out and start shooting them. There are rules and laws which must be followed to ensure good population controls.

Its the way in which he does it that angers people.

One day, I WILL go big game/dangerous game hunting. I want to go after cats myself, although a hippo would be fun too.

wtf are you talking about? pygmy hippos are endangered... african elephants just got off the endangered species list.

"fact is the animals he hunts do in fact need to be hunted"??? why, because the world is better off with these animals extinct?

It depends how you look at it.
No, obviously the animals should be hunted to extinction. But populations DO need to be controlled. One way to do this is through allowing hunters to hunt the animals. Doing this bring sin revenue in the form of hunting permits, controls the population and lets people who like to hunt enjoy their hobby. The other option is to send out the game warden and have him start shooting.
Might as well make a few bucks off the deal.

I dont know enough about the African setups to tell you how much culling is necessary. I can tell you in America one reason for deer hunting (As an example) truly is population control.
If the populations are allowed to progress following natural order the populations rise to high. This in turn leads to animals starving due to lack of food and also leads to higher rates of diseases. Hunting is a needed aspect for good population control. You can have a medium sized population of healthy animals or you can have a large population of animals that are sick and hungry.

Again, I dont know enough about the African setup to say to what levels these hunts are population control and to what extent they are simply revenue generating devices. In the case of elephants herd sizes need to be controlled because they will quite frankly eat themselves out of house, home and tree. Then you get the situation of animals starving.

what???

dude, you're crazy... these animals are ENDANGERED! the only population control needed with these animals is controlled breeding and proliferation.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Specop 007
I dont know enough about the African setups to tell you how much culling is necessary. I can tell you in America one reason for deer hunting (As an example) truly is population control.
If the populations are allowed to progress following natural order the populations rise to high. This in turn leads to animals starving due to lack of food and also leads to higher rates of diseases. Hunting is a needed aspect for good population control. You can have a medium sized population of healthy animals or you can have a large population of animals that are sick and hungry.

Again, I dont know enough about the African setup to say to what levels these hunts are population control and to what extent they are simply revenue generating devices. In the case of elephants herd sizes need to be controlled because they will quite frankly eat themselves out of house, home and tree. Then you get the situation of animals starving.

The difference is that the deer population has EXPLODED in this century, whereas most of the big game in Africa is actually endangered. Your "example" is EXACTLY the opposite of the situation you're trying to describe.

And could it be because of poaching that the populations have dwindled?

As for my example. it IS valid. I suggest you do a little research before you try to argue the point.

If you were to check both deer AND buffalo were hunted to severely low levels/near extinction at the turn of the century (last century).
Only by implementing strict hunting laws and population control measures was the population brought back up to current levels and maintained.

 

[Darkstar757]

this girl is a jerk killing animals for sport is just sick.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: eits
what???

dude, you're crazy... these animals are ENDANGERED! the only population control needed with these animals is controlled breeding and proliferation.

Ok. Post stats giving big game populations. Back up your statements.
I said quite clearly why hunting is allowed. I ALSO clarified that by stating I dont know the populations in Africa, not what the hunting laws are.

Apparently you do. Please provide them.

I could also tell you penguins are near extinct in Arizona except for those in zoos.. Well no kidding. So give us big game numbers proving your point. Elephants may very well be extinct in....say...South Africa. But maybe in Zimbabwe they have population problems. Who knows?

Apparently you do. Again, please provide the info as I'm curious.

 

[eits]

it's obvious that specops is talking out of his ass and is a hardcore hunting-of-any-kind advocate, whether it's endangered or not.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Ok. Post stats giving big game populations. Back up your statements.
I said quite clearly why hunting is allowed. I ALSO clarified that by stating I dont know the populations in Africa, not what the hunting laws are.

Apparently you do. Please provide them.

I could also tell you penguins are near extinct in Arizona except for those in zoos.. Well no kidding. So give us big game numbers proving your point. Elephants may very well be extinct in....say...South Africa. But maybe in Zimbabwe they have population problems. Who knows?

Apparently you do. Again, please provide the info as I'm curious.

Type the name of the animal you are curious about

Common hippo

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eits
what???

dude, you're crazy... these animals are ENDANGERED! the only population control needed with these animals is controlled breeding and proliferation.

Ok. Post stats giving big game populations. Back up your statements.
I said quite clearly why hunting is allowed. I ALSO clarified that by stating I dont know the populations in Africa, not what the hunting laws are.

Apparently you do. Please provide them.

I could also tell you penguins are near extinct in Arizona except for those in zoos.. Well no kidding. So give us big game numbers proving your point. Elephants may very well be extinct in....say...South Africa. But maybe in Zimbabwe they have population problems. Who knows?

Apparently you do. Again, please provide the info as I'm curious.

what the hell? you seriously want me to post information that you're raised knowing since 3rd grade? no thanks... move your fat ass to google and look it up yourself.

 

[MisterJackson]

OP, you seem to be a little out of touch with reality on this issue. Deer hunting to control the population is one thing, but to control the Elephant population??? Please, WTF are you talking about?!

Elephants are illegal to hunt are they not? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think they even grant special permission for that sorta thing anymore, but I guess I could be wrong on that. I'm sure, with enough money, in certain parts of Africa you could hunt people if you wanted.

Speaking of which, seeing this video makes me think of one thing, I could track down and hunt people like this before I would an animal that didn't need to be slain.

I used to hunt, and can still hunt very well but I choose not to. I only forsee myself hunting again if the world goes to ****** and I need to feed my family.

Though I'd certainly take it back up in a heartbeat if given the chance to put two in the chest and one in the head of these cock gobblers.

 

[TheNinja]

I can't say I'm extremely happy about this

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
I can't say I'm extremely happy about this

HAHAHA @ post and sig

 

[Tom]

Overpopulation of deer, and similar situations, happens because human predators drive out natural predators, like wolves, lions, etc.

So it's true the populations can be controlled by hunting, a better solution in many people's opinion, including mine, is reintroduce natural predators. And not just because it would be nice, there are ecological dependencies and complexities that we aren't capable of understanding or duplicating. And since we are part of the ecological system, we risk our own survival as well.