Thank You Peter Arnett for helping to kill many more innocent Iraqi civilians

dahunan

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I have heard from others that this was also reported on CNN and NBC

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Driver of van on forced
suicide mission?
Muslim cleric says checkpoint purposely ignored, causing civilian deaths

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Posted: April 1, 2003
7:24 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


A Shiite Muslim cleric in Iraq claims the driver of the van at a U.S. checkpoint in which at least seven women and children were killed was forced to disobey the soldiers' orders to stop, thereby causing the civilian deaths, reports Fox News Channel.

Mohammed Barkir Al-Mohari said in a translated videotape that the incident outside Najaf in southern Iraq on Monday was purposely set up to give Saddam's regime grist for criticizing the United States.

After delivering repeated warnings to stop, U.S. soldiers fired on the van, which carried 13 people, according to the Pentagon, when the driver failed to stop as ordered. The military is investigating the incident.

Yesterday, another Iraqi was killed in a similar incident at a checkpoint near the south-central town of Shatra.

''In all cases in checkpoints and otherwise we maintain the right to self-defense,'' Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks told reporters while discussing the van incident. ''We've increased vigilance because of the tactics of Iraqi death squads.

''While we regret the loss of civilian lives, they remain unavoidable,'' he said.

''They tried to warn the vehicle to stop; it did not stop,'' Marine Gen. Peter Pace said on PBS. ''And it was unusual that that vehicle would be full of only women and that the driver was a woman. So we need to find out why it was that they were acting the way they did.''

The soldiers involved were from the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which lost four soldiers Saturday at another checkpoint when an Iraqi soldier posing as a taxi driver detonated a car bomb in a suicide attack.

Al-Mohari also claims the suicide bomber that struck over the weekend was told if he didn't carry out his mission his family would be killed, and that Saddam's regime gave the man's family hush money.

Fox says Al-Mohari, whom the network describes as an "influential cleric," says families have been threatened with mass killings and even chemical attacks in recent years if they didn't follow through with orders from the Iraqi regime to sacrifice themselves in suicide attacks.

"Those people, children and women, were put in the [van] by Saddam Hussein's forces," Al-Mohari said, "and their husbands and fathers were taken as hostages. And the driver was ordered to speed up at the checkpoint and not stop so that they would be shot at."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31829
 

Marshallj

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Can't the liberals stop the continuous bashing of Bush? It got old shortly after the election and they've been persisting ever since. If Gore was elected president I would have got over it already. Some people always have to act like activists. It gets annoying.
 

NightTrain

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Fox says Al-Mohari, whom the network describes as an "influential cleric," says families have been threatened with mass killings and even chemical attacks in recent years if they didn't follow through with orders from the Iraqi regime to sacrifice themselves in suicide attacks.

"Those people, children and women, were put in the [van] by Saddam Hussein's forces," Al-Mohari said, "and their husbands and fathers were taken as hostages. And the driver was ordered to speed up at the checkpoint and not stop so that they would be shot at."

I don't dispute that Saddam's regime has used death threats to force people to fight but this doesn't sound right to me.

At any rate, I'm sure it's all Bush's fault and we are still the bad guys here.
 

apoppin

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O fourse your topic's title has NOTHING to do with the rest of your post.

And you might be interested in a reporters version of this:

From the Guardian
'You didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!'

A journalist's account of the killing of a car full of Iraqi civilians by US soldiers differs widely from the official military version, says Brian Whitaker

The invasion forces suffered another self-inflicted disaster in the battle for hearts and minds yesterday when soldiers from the US 3rd infantry division shot dead Iraqi seven women and children.
The incident occurred on Route 9, near Najaf, when a car carrying 13 women and children approached a checkpoint.

A US military spokesman says the soldiers motioned the vehicle to stop but their signals were ignored. However, according to the Washington Post, Captain Ronny Johnson, who was in charge of the checkpoint, blamed his own troops for ignoring orders to fire a warning shot.

"You just fusking killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!", he reportedly yelled at them.

In another checkpoint incident this morning, US forces say they killed an unarmed Iraqi driver outside Shatra.

Meanwhile it has emerged - as a result of detective work on the internet by a Guardian reader - that the explosion in a Baghdad market which killed more than 60 people last Friday was indeed caused by a cruise missile and not an Iraqi anti-aircraft rocket as the US has suggested.

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
What the hell does this have to do with Arnett?:disgust:


Words of Mr. Arnett..... (HE KNOWS Saddam uses/respects/pays SUICIDE BOMBERS..keep that in mind)

"President Bush says he is concerned about the Iraqi people, but if Iraqi people are dying in numbers, then American policy will be challenged very strongly," he said. In the interview, Arnett said reports from Baghdad on civilians being killed are being shown in the United States, and "it helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/30/sprj.irq.arnett/index.html
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
What do you think of the content of his post apoppin?
It's certainly possible. I didn't comment on it because of the topic's MISleading title.

But I won't dwell on it as I have posted my own "weak" topic-titles . . . His point of view is as valid as mine . . . eventually we may reconcile these differring reports - or not.


BTW, what did you think of "my" news source?

 

Mrburns2007

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There's so much BS flying around it's hard to believe anybody anymore.

I truthfully don't care if we are considered the bad guys by arabs cause they always hated us anyways.
 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: apoppin
O fourse your topic's title has NOTHING to do with the rest of your post.

And you might be interested in a reporters version of this:

From the Guardian
'You didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!'

A journalist's account of the killing of a car full of Iraqi civilians by US soldiers differs widely from the official military version, says Brian Whitaker

The invasion forces suffered another self-inflicted disaster in the battle for hearts and minds yesterday when soldiers from the US 3rd infantry division shot dead Iraqi seven women and children.
The incident occurred on Route 9, near Najaf, when a car carrying 13 women and children approached a checkpoint.

A US military spokesman says the soldiers motioned the vehicle to stop but their signals were ignored. However, according to the Washington Post, Captain Ronny Johnson, who was in charge of the checkpoint, blamed his own troops for ignoring orders to fire a warning shot.

"You just fusking killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!", he reportedly yelled at them.

In another checkpoint incident this morning, US forces say they killed an unarmed Iraqi driver outside Shatra.

Meanwhile it has emerged - as a result of detective work on the internet by a Guardian reader - that the explosion in a Baghdad market which killed more than 60 people last Friday was indeed caused by a cruise missile and not an Iraqi anti-aircraft rocket as the US has suggested.


Sure, only the Guardian reporter heard the captain shout that. He was there. He has an audio and video of it.

 

NightTrain

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: NightTrain
What do you think of the content of his post apoppin?
It's certainly possible. I didn't comment on it because of the topic's MISleading title.

Yah...it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that it takes the steam out of the "US murders innocent civilians" stuff you've been spamming in every thread. Seems you were mighty interested in the story yet just ignore his entire article because you didn't like the topic title...but to each his own I suppose.


 

Morph

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The fact that Arnett said that means nothing, since it was already obvious, common-sense knowledge.
 

NightTrain

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Originally posted by: Morph
The fact that Arnett said that means nothing, since it was already obvious, common-sense knowledge.

The poster has a valid point. The fact that Arnett said it's a good thing for civilians to die means nothing. The fact that the Iraqi regime could be forcing civilians to committ suicide to make us look bad is what's really important. Or at least I think that's what he said.

Am I right?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
What the hell does this have to do with Arnett?:disgust:


Words of Mr. Arnett..... (HE KNOWS Saddam uses/respects/pays SUICIDE BOMBERS..keep that in mind)

"President Bush says he is concerned about the Iraqi people, but if Iraqi people are dying in numbers, then American policy will be challenged very strongly," he said. In the interview, Arnett said reports from Baghdad on civilians being killed are being shown in the United States, and "it helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/30/sprj.irq.arnett/index.html
Man are you so simple minded to actually believe that? Those sub Human Bastards would do what they are doing no matter what Arnett said. Using your logic we should thank Saddam Hussien for not showing up on Iraqi TV today for saving American lives because his absence undoubtedly gave the impression to many a Iraqi Soldier that maybe he is dead and they are fighting for a regime lead by a dead man.
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dahunan

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Originally posted by: Morph
The fact that Arnett said that means nothing, since it was already obvious, common-sense knowledge.

Who he gave that interview to means notihg either.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: apoppin
O fourse your topic's title has NOTHING to do with the rest of your post.

And you might be interested in a reporters version of this:

From the Guardian
'You didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!'

A journalist's account of the killing of a car full of Iraqi civilians by US soldiers differs widely from the official military version, says Brian Whitaker

The invasion forces suffered another self-inflicted disaster in the battle for hearts and minds yesterday when soldiers from the US 3rd infantry division shot dead Iraqi seven women and children.
The incident occurred on Route 9, near Najaf, when a car carrying 13 women and children approached a checkpoint.

A US military spokesman says the soldiers motioned the vehicle to stop but their signals were ignored. However, according to the Washington Post, Captain Ronny Johnson, who was in charge of the checkpoint, blamed his own troops for ignoring orders to fire a warning shot.

"You just fusking killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!", he reportedly yelled at them.

In another checkpoint incident this morning, US forces say they killed an unarmed Iraqi driver outside Shatra.

Meanwhile it has emerged - as a result of detective work on the internet by a Guardian reader - that the explosion in a Baghdad market which killed more than 60 people last Friday was indeed caused by a cruise missile and not an Iraqi anti-aircraft rocket as the US has suggested.



as a result of detective work on the internet by a Guardian reader

You're kidding right? You would really post something like that and expect anyone to take it or you seriously.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Morph
The fact that Arnett said that means nothing, since it was already obvious, common-sense knowledge.

No it isn't. Just because it plays into your anti American Rhetoric doesn't mean there is an ounce of truth to it. I see a post with your handle next to it and I can automatically tell that it is going to be some nonsensical BS spewed by a self loathing mongrel who obviously is jealous of his station in life and of his nationality.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: NightTrain
What do you think of the content of his post apoppin?
It's certainly possible. I didn't comment on it because of the topic's MISleading title.

Yah...it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that it takes the steam out of the "US murders innocent civilians" stuff you've been spamming in every thread. Seems you were mighty interested in the story yet just ignore his entire article because you didn't like the topic title...but to each his own I suppose.
Do you believe in "fairness". When asked, I did give my opinion on the first post. You didn't attack anyone ELSE who took issue with the topic's title.

I'd LOVE for this story to be true (that the US was opening fire on civilians forced by Saddam to crash the checkpoint). LAST I HEARD, the US Army is INVESTIGATING. I'll wait to pass judgement but I will be GLAD to consider ALL sides.
 

Morph

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In regards to the story that is quoted, it may very well be true but let's not just accept it as fact because one Iraqi says so. This cleric has obviously chosen sides already and so it's in his best interest that the coalition effort succeeds. Not to mention, he's a Shiite and of course Saddam is a Sunni Muslim. They never did like each other much.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: NightTrain
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: NightTrain
What do you think of the content of his post apoppin?
It's certainly possible. I didn't comment on it because of the topic's MISleading title.

Yah...it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that it takes the steam out of the "US murders innocent civilians" stuff you've been spamming in every thread. Seems you were mighty interested in the story yet just ignore his entire article because you didn't like the topic title...but to each his own I suppose.
Do you believe in "fairness". When asked, I did give my opinion on the first post. You didn't attack anyone ELSE who took issue with the topic's title.

I'd LOVE for this story to be true (that the US was opening fire on civilians forced by Saddam to crash the checkpoint). LAST I HEARD, the US Army is INVESTIGATING. I'll wait to pass judgement but I will be GLAD to consider ALL sides.
Whats offensive to me is that you want it to be that the Americans were the culprit and not the Sodomized Fedayeen because if it was true that they were responsible then your whole Anti American Attitude would be shown for what it really was.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: apoppin

Meanwhile it has emerged - as a result of detective work on the internet by a Guardian reader - that the explosion in a Baghdad market which killed more than 60 people last Friday was indeed caused by a cruise missile and not an Iraqi anti-aircraft rocket as the US has suggested.
Uhh....yeah...but it was *my* detective work on the internet that declared it wasn't an American cruise missile so there!

Seriously, apoppin, your insistence on searching out feeble articles to bolster your opinions has, in this case, seriously weakened your stance.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: Marshallj
Can't the liberals stop the continuous bashing of Bush? It got old shortly after the election and they've been persisting ever since. If Gore was elected president I would have got over it already. Some people always have to act like activists. It gets annoying.
Because, the liberals are never happy. They just want tax increases so more social programs can get built for people who are too frickin' lazy to do any damn things for themselves. It's very easy for them to criticize Bush in a lot of ways: blame him for the economy, blame him for the war, etc. Hell, at least Bush has enough sense to not embarrass the U.S. by freely accepting B.J.s in the oval office like our previous president did.
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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Can't the liberals stop the continuous bashing of Bush? It got old shortly after the election and they've been persisting ever since. If Gore was elected president I would have got over it already. Some people always have to act like activists. It gets annoying.
Because, the liberals are never happy. They just want tax increases so more social programs can get built for people who are too frickin' lazy to do any damn things for themselves. It's very easy for them to criticize Bush in a lot of ways: blame him for the economy, blame him for the war, etc. Hell, at least Bush has enough sense to not embarrass the U.S. by freely accepting B.J.s in the oval office like our previous president did.
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No he does it every time his addresses the public.