[TFT CENTRAL]Asus ROG Swift PG279Q review

[TridenT]

OLED. When that comes out & becomes affordable it'll blow away any IPS.

Only been waiting 10 years for that one.

 

[poohbear]

Only been waiting 10 years for that one.

10 years ago u couldn't OLED wasnt standard on smartphones & tablets (these devices didn't even exist). Now my note 4 & note S tablet are both OLED.

 

[TridenT]

10 years ago u couldn't OLED wasnt standard on smartphones & tablets (these devices didn't even exist). Now my note 4 & note S tablet are both OLED.

10 years ago, it was on a 1" cube mp3 player. Smartphones were basically the only things we could hope for it to be on. There was a 22" demo unit that some company had produced and it looked great but I believe they were saying it was something like $2-3k and had really low yields. So, no one was going to buy it...

We have a long ways to go...

 

[poohbear]

Yes but that was a demo unit 10 years ago. How many tablets & smartphones have OLED now? Samsung alone has made 100s of millions of smartphones & tablets with OLED screens. LG has already had 55" OLED TVs for the past 2 years selling for $2000 (used to regularly see them on display @ Bestbuy).

The computer monitor market is next.

 

[know of fence]

5ms transition is still high for a 7ms frame, vs. 2.9ms (average) of the TN panel. And it gets worse at lower refresh rates, which is even more blur for the low FPS G-sync concept.
VR-headsets moved to (90 Hz) backlight strobe and video/gaming desktops probably will follow. So ULMB and good old VSync is the preferable choice, yes? Hardware then should aim for 60+ FPS on a 120 Hz screen. We've had the same thing 30 FPS on 60 Hz working for decades. In theory the monitor should be twice as fast or at least always faster than FPS to cut down the time a rendered frame spends waiting for V-sync. Maybe Intel was right to sit out the Sync-fad all along.
But I'm jumping to conclusions here does the TFT-Central or any other review answer the ultimate question, on which mode they prefer (sync or ULMB)?

 

[QuantumPion]

What panel do you use then, if you don't mind my asking?

I'm using an X-Star DP2710 DVI. Pixel perfect, awesome contrast, amazing vivd colors, low input lag, good enough response time, all for only $300. Overclockable to ~100 hz or so though doing so goofs up the gamma and contrast so I usually don't bother except for multiplayer FPS. Only downside is no g-sync or ULMB of course, which are really awesome features and it's a tough tradeoff.

 

[QuantumPion]

In my experience, there are alot of people who exaggerate the presence of IPS glow. These are the same people who set their panels to 80+ brightness and claim that the IPS glow is too prevalent when gaming in low light/dark

Haha really?

IPS glow on these AU panels is perfectly fine if you set your monitor at non torchlight levels of brightness. The gamma shift from TN panels (especially at 27") is a much worse trade-off than a little IPS glow.

Sheesh.

These statements are unfortunately incorrect and reflect the opinions of people that have not actually seen these monitors in person. First of all, IPS glow is completely unaffected by brightness level. Cranking up brightness may reduce contrast and exacerbate the problem, but the IPS glow is always there. In fact, lowering brightness can make the problem worse as the IPS glow washes out low brightness detail.

Not all IPS monitor types have IPS glow, for example my panel which is Samsung PLS-based does not have it at all. It is similar to the Apple Cinema Display. But apparently it is characteristic of these fast response g-sync LG IPS types. The IPS glow they have is so horrendous IMO that it completely washes away all detail and contrast in dark areas.

Now if you exclusively play brightly lit fast paced games like Team Fortress 2 or something, it might not be an issue. But at the time I had the monitor before I returned it, I was playing Dragon Age Inquisition, and playing in certain dimly lit areas was actually impossible because the contrast was so poor I could not see the environment at all unless I really cranked up the brightness and gamma to max, making everything looked washed out and crappy.

 

[MagickMan]

OLED. When that comes out & becomes affordable it'll blow away any IPS.

Except in durability, OLED panels naturally degrade much faster over time.

 

[4K_shmoorK]

These statements are unfortunately incorrect and reflect the opinions of people that have not actually seen these monitors in person. First of all, IPS glow is completely unaffected by brightness level. Cranking up brightness may reduce contrast and exacerbate the problem, but the IPS glow is always there. In fact, lowering brightness can make the problem worse as the IPS glow washes out low brightness detail.

Not all IPS monitor types have IPS glow, for example my panel which is Samsung PLS-based does not have it at all. It is similar to the Apple Cinema Display. But apparently it is characteristic of these fast response g-sync LG IPS types. The IPS glow they have is so horrendous IMO that it completely washes away all detail and contrast in dark areas.

Now if you exclusively play brightly lit fast paced games like Team Fortress 2 or something, it might not be an issue. But at the time I had the monitor before I returned it, I was playing Dragon Age Inquisition, and playing in certain dimly lit areas was actually impossible because the contrast was so poor I could not see the environment at all unless I really cranked up the brightness and gamma to max, making everything looked washed out and crappy.

Higher brightness settings make the visual effect of IPS glow more pronounced.

"First of all, IPS glow is completely unaffected by brightness level"
"Cranking up brightness may reduce contrast and exacerbate the problem"

Bit of a contradiction, no?

Anyways, I own the XB270HU. Don't get me wrong, I've seen some bad panels and plenty of bad examples of my particular panel. In my experience, most people exaggerate the presence of IPS glow. Small tradeoff to make so that you don't have to deal with a TN panel. If you get a bad panel, contact the manufacturer and get a new one. Panel lottery is just part of the game.

 

[x3sphere]

10 years ago, it was on a 1" cube mp3 player. Smartphones were basically the only things we could hope for it to be on. There was a 22" demo unit that some company had produced and it looked great but I believe they were saying it was something like $2-3k and had really low yields. So, no one was going to buy it...

We have a long ways to go...

A lot of people don't realize how much progress LG has made recently. We will probably see OLED computer monitors in the next year or two.

LG's 55" 1080p OLED has been down to $1500 on sale and yields are nearly as good as LCD now.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-oled-earnings-conference-032309262.html

LG display also announced impressive OLED TV yield improvements. LG's 55-inch OLED TV yields are now comparable to LCD yields. And LG expects its 65-inch and 77-inch OLED panels to reach similar yields in coming quarters.

I expect them to tackle the pro market first though. Gaming focused OLED monitors with high refresh rate and all that could be more like 3-4 years away. There is also rumors of Samsung re-entering the market in 2017.

 

[TridenT]

A lot of people don't realize how much progress LG has made recently. We will probably see OLED computer monitors in the next year or two.

LG's 55" 1080p OLED has been down to $1500 on sale and yields are nearly as good as LCD now.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-oled-earnings-conference-032309262.html



I expect them to tackle the pro market first though. Gaming focused OLED monitors with high refresh rate and all that could be more like 3-4 years away. There is also rumors of Samsung re-entering the market in 2017.

Except OLED has the burn-in problem. If they fix that then it'll be a thing to be considered. 144hz, 1440p, freesync/g-sync, low input latency, and no burn-in. I'll consider it then. That's years away.

OLED shouldn't even be a consideration in a purchase right now for a computer monitor.

 

[x3sphere]

Except OLED has the burn-in problem. If they fix that then it'll be a thing to be considered. 144hz, 1440p, freesync/g-sync, low input latency, and no burn-in. I'll consider it then. That's years away.

OLED shouldn't even be a consideration in a purchase right now for a computer monitor.

I haven't experienced any burn in on my EC9300 - it's 7 months old now. It's not my daily driver on the desktop but do plenty of gaming on it and there has been absolutely no IR. A Plasma display under the same conditions I've used this OLED would have definitely developed IR, so it's at least more resilient.

If LG came out with a 40" OLED I wouldn't hesitate to replace my current monitor with it, though I'm not saying there aren't risks.

 

[TridenT]

I haven't experienced any burn in on my EC9300 - it's 7 months old now. It's not my daily driver on the desktop but do plenty of gaming on it and there has been absolutely no IR. A Plasma display under the same conditions I've used this OLED would have definitely developed IR, so it's at least more resilient.

If LG came out with a 40" OLED I wouldn't hesitate to replace my current monitor with it, though I'm not saying there aren't risks.

Problem is that those TVs have higher input latency too. I don't know which one but the one I saw a review for had an input latency of something like 60ms. Pretty unacceptable for most gaming. TVs just ain't the way to go for most of us.

 

[TridenT]

Now in stock at Newegg.

Almost bought it but I hear the panel lottery is bad with this one and Newegg's return policy is so-so.

Gonna hold out for my local Fry's to have it.

 

[moonbogg]

Now in stock at Newegg.

Almost bought it but I hear the panel lottery is bad with this one and Newegg's return policy is so-so.

Gonna hold out for my local Fry's to have it.

I returned two monitors to newegg in a row and they didn't complain at all. It was an easy process and I had no trouble. I felt I was pushing my luck though so I stopped with the third monitor which I kept. I wanted something that this technology isn't capable of producing. I wanted perfect whites and clean uniformity. That's not happening.

 

[Jumpem]

I returned two monitors to newegg in a row and they didn't complain at all. It was an easy process and I had no trouble. I felt I was pushing my luck though so I stopped with the third monitor which I kept. I wanted something that this technology isn't capable of producing. I wanted perfect whites and clean uniformity. That's not happening.

This is good to hear. I was a little nervous after placing the order.

 

[Childs]

I returned two monitors to newegg in a row and they didn't complain at all. It was an easy process and I had no trouble. I felt I was pushing my luck though so I stopped with the third monitor which I kept. I wanted something that this technology isn't capable of producing. I wanted perfect whites and clean uniformity. That's not happening.

Don't you have to pay shipping on returns?

 

[Eymar]

Return shipping is free from Amazon if item is defective.

 

[Headfoot]

I'll keep an eye on this but I'm gonna hold out for the Eizo and see how it compares. Tho tbh, I think I need a non-IPS monitor at this point. If most of my gaming is going to end up being Star Citizen and survival games with so many dark scenes the IPS glow makes these fancy monitors pretty useless.

Yup this is my exact gaming pattern too, survival games = dark nights, space games = dark space.

 

[MagickMan]

So Asus does it again, no stock for these so the ones that are for sale are going for way over MSRP. Good job, you numbnuts. :\

 

[3DVagabond]

Probably not easy to get panels that meet the spec?

 

[MagickMan]

No idea. I asked about this on the Asus forum and my thread was deleted without a reply, so...

 

[TridenT]

So Asus does it again, no stock for these so the ones that are for sale are going for way over MSRP. Good job, you numbnuts. :\

Not only that but any that you get are likely to be crap panels anyway.

From what I gather, the panel lottery is really bad.

 

[MagickMan]

Not only that but any that you get are likely to be crap panels anyway.

From what I gather, the panel lottery is really bad.

I have 1 and it's perfect, as are the 2 others I've personally seen, so I've not seen a "crap panel" on this model yet. There's been one that I've heard of, and that guy's been running all over the place crying about it, but I've not seen any actual evidence yet.

 

[Xed]

I have 1 and it's perfect, as are the 2 others I've personally seen, so I've not seen a "crap panel" on this model yet. There's been one that I've heard of, and that guy's been running all over the place crying about it, but I've not seen any actual evidence yet.

Many people are on their 3rd+ RMA. The October made panels seem to be doing a bit better. If yours truly is perfect you were lucky. Some pictures of yours would be nice if you have time.