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Vic

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To indulge your argument, try adding a zero to the numbers, or even TWO zeros to the numbers. So assume 100 get away with it for every 1 who is caught. Then you might have, what, 10 bad votes in each state per election?

There's no way to massage those numbers to where they prove what you want to prove.
I remember once having a real life discussion about 52! with a person who was completely unable to grasp orders of magnitude and how even the very large numbers they were throwing at me were effectively 0 compared to 52!. Maths is hard for some.
 

woolfe9998

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Feel free to quote the article, section, and clause of the Constitution that allows a single political party to harvest private voter data exclusively in jurisdictions with opposition party majorities.
Meanwhile, the checks and balances in the Constitution refers to the powers vested in 3 different branches of govt, and not to the illegal partisanship corruption and voter suppression that you're endorsing here.
The Heritage Foundation data also does not show that the limited cases of fraud it has found over the past 40 years is higher in states where voting is easier. There is no correlation. Which is another fact that totally destroys the arguments for these voter suppression laws.
 

woolfe9998

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I remember once having a real life discussion about 52! with a person who was completely unable to grasp orders of magnitude and how even the very large numbers they were throwing at me were effectively 0 compared to 52!. Maths is hard for some.
Shouldn't be too hard for anyone posting on this board who can at least write in complete sentences. Also, a very high proportion of posters here are engineers IRL.
 

HomerJS

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The Heritage Foundation data also does not show that the limited cases of fraud it has found over the past 40 years is higher in states where voting is easier. There is no correlation. Which is another fact that totally destroys the arguments for these voter suppression laws.
Of course they already know this.
 
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Then all of the bad votes would have to be in the same state and district. And all of them would have to be bad votes favoring the same candide. And that's after we added 2 zeroes to the known number. From what I found, the closest margin ever in a U.S. Congressional district is 94 votes. So even those assumptions do not work. Like I said, no way to massage this.

6 votes here in this particular election. No way to massage the small number, but maybe a back rub?
 
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Ahahhahaahhaaa!!!!!

Holy fuck! That has to be the self own for the year!

A constitutional republic is a type of democracy you fucking moron!

Let’s see you go 0 for 2 and show us all where in the constitution (I’ll even give you the advantage of pointing to a state constitution) where election integrity is to be conducted by partisan groups, if at all.

How long shall we wait for a reply, traitor?
It's not a true democracy though, is it?

A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
 

Amused

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It's not a true democracy though, is it?

A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
I know nuance is difficult for the qultists but here goes anyhow.

The US, and the vast majority of all first world nations, are blended governments.

The US is a constitutional republic with a democratically elected representative government.

This makes us both a "constitutional federal republic" AND a "representative democracy."

So, does the US qualify as simply a "democracy?"

Yes.

The United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power.
We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”

I know this is not as simplistic as people like you want things to be. But reality is not simple.
 
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Lol, yeah it’s a fake democracy…omg! /facepalm. I can’t believe you are doubling down on stupid! Actually I totally believe it but I’m still amazed!
Your piss ignorance and basic stupidity is a source of constant amusement to me. Speaking of amused. ....................





"The United States of America is defined as a constitutional republic.
But what does this mean? Let’s break it down.

First, the “constitutional” part refers, of course, to the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution functions as the supreme law of the land – by “supreme law,” we mean that no laws made by state governments or the federal government can contradict it. If a specific law is believed to go against the Constitution, the Supreme Court’s Justices will decide whether it does or not according to their individual interpretations of the Constitution."
 
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Vic

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It's not a true democracy though, is it?

A democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
If we're going to be taking away anyone's right to vote, why shouldn't we start with yours?
Just saying that if you wouldn't want something done to yourself, then you shouldn't be trying to do it to others.
 

Amol S.

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He might have been brought up in a conservative state, and was brought up in a conservative school. Thus, in terms of what he was taught in school, he may actually be correct. But outside of the conservative world, what he may know might be a totally different case from what we know.
 

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Your piss ignorance and basic stupidity is a source of constant amusement to me. Speaking of amused. ....................





"The United States of America is defined as a constitutional republic.
But what does this mean? Let’s break it down.

First, the “constitutional” part refers, of course, to the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution functions as the supreme law of the land – by “supreme law,” we mean that no laws made by state governments or the federal government can contradict it. If a specific law is believed to go against the Constitution, the Supreme Court’s Justices will decide whether it does or not according to their individual interpretations of the Constitution."
The only piss ignorant fuck is you! You post up all this stuff about how the country is defined. You say words that claim you are a constitutionalist but almost every single one of your post and arguments both in this thread and in others for years are full of propaganda and outright lies disguised as right wing authoritarianism with Nazi over tones. Go get fucked! You piss ignorant moron! You are the motherfucker that gleefully delights in taking rights away from people as well as would love to lob a few grenades at brown children. Which of those actions are backed up by the constitution????
 

BUTCH1

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You are leaving out other cases, such as the disputed 2008 Senatorial election in Minnesota that got sexual predator Al Franken "elected" who later resigned in disgrace.

Franken did mess up, but I'd hardy call him a "predator", at least he did the honorable thing and resigned, YOU on the other hand would be 1st in line if dump runs in 2024, the fact that he zero respect for democracy and has encouraged violence more than once means nothing to you.
 

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Your piss ignorance and basic stupidity is a source of constant amusement to me. Speaking of amused. ....................





"The United States of America is defined as a constitutional republic.
But what does this mean? Let’s break it down.

First, the “constitutional” part refers, of course, to the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution functions as the supreme law of the land – by “supreme law,” we mean that no laws made by state governments or the federal government can contradict it. If a specific law is believed to go against the Constitution, the Supreme Court’s Justices will decide whether it does or not according to their individual interpretations of the Constitution."
Oh this is fun when we cherry pick, isn't it?



Is the United States a democracy?
Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”
This is where our history education might add some confusion. We are commonly taught that democracy is a product of ancient Greece. It’s their word – demokratia – after all. The city-state of Athens is credited with implementing a system of government of and by the people, whereby eligible citizens would congregate to make decisions. They’d make these decisions themselves (or “directly”), not through any elected representatives.
That system of government, better understood today as direct democracy, lives on in the United States in the form of ballot initiatives and referenda. Some states and localities afford their citizens the right to use these measures to directly enact, change, or repeal laws themselves.
More commonly, we exercise our political power in a different way: by voting in elections to choose our representatives. That’s representative democracy.
The Constitution does not use the term “democracy.” It’s true. But as Eugene Volokh notes in the Washington Post, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Noah Webster, Justice James Wilson and Chief Justice John Marshall all used the word. These scholars understood representative democracy – the American variety – to be democracy all the same.



‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument
Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.

But enough of opinion, what does the US government itself say?


Democracy in the United States The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.


The US is a constitutional republic and representative democracy.


2. What form of government do we have in the United States?
The United States, under its Constitution, is a federal, representative, democratic republic, an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. With the exception of town meetings, a form of pure democracy, we have at the local, state, and national levels a government which is: ‘‘federal’’ because power is shared among these three levels; ‘‘democratic’’ because the people govern themselves and have the means to control the government; and ‘‘republic’’ because the people choose elected delegates by free and secret ballot.
 
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If we're going to be taking away anyone's right to vote, why shouldn't we start with yours?
Just saying that if you wouldn't want something done to yourself, then you shouldn't be trying to do it to others.
When have i made any attempt to take someones vote away? I do admit that i don't support some felons from voting until their debt to society is paid.
 
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Oh this is fun when we cherry pick, isn't it?



Is the United States a democracy?
Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”
This is where our history education might add some confusion. We are commonly taught that democracy is a product of ancient Greece. It’s their word – demokratia – after all. The city-state of Athens is credited with implementing a system of government of and by the people, whereby eligible citizens would congregate to make decisions. They’d make these decisions themselves (or “directly”), not through any elected representatives.
That system of government, better understood today as direct democracy, lives on in the United States in the form of ballot initiatives and referenda. Some states and localities afford their citizens the right to use these measures to directly enact, change, or repeal laws themselves.
More commonly, we exercise our political power in a different way: by voting in elections to choose our representatives. That’s representative democracy.
The Constitution does not use the term “democracy.” It’s true. But as Eugene Volokh notes in the Washington Post, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Noah Webster, Justice James Wilson and Chief Justice John Marshall all used the word. These scholars understood representative democracy – the American variety – to be democracy all the same.



‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument
Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it.

But enough of opinion, what does the US government itself say?


Democracy in the United States The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy.


The US is a constitutional republic and representative democracy.


2. What form of government do we have in the United States?
The United States, under its Constitution, is a federal, representative, democratic republic, an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. With the exception of town meetings, a form of pure democracy, we have at the local, state, and national levels a government which is: ‘‘federal’’ because power is shared among these three levels; ‘‘democratic’’ because the people govern themselves and have the means to control the government; and ‘‘republic’’ because the people choose elected delegates by free and secret ballot.
To have labeled this country simply as a "democracy" isn't accurate.
 
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democracy or republic is a distinction without a difference. one is greek, one is latin, they both mean the same thing. the only people who care are small-minded individuals who think it gives them some sort of blessing to restrict the electorate.
 

Vic

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When have i made any attempt to take someones vote away? I do admit that i don't support some felons from voting until their debt to society is paid.
The entire purpose of the "stop the steal" propaganda is use false claims of voter fraud in order to disenfranchise legal voters.
Also, whenever someone digs up the old "the US is a republic, not a democracy," it's because they're trying to argue that some citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote. And in that case, why not start with them?
Finay, this thread isn't about felons voting. That's a whole other subject about voter suppression, and one that I wouldn't expect you to engage in any more honestly than you do any other subject.
 
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Amol S.

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democracy or republic is a distinction without a difference. one is greek, one is latin, they both mean the same thing. the only people who care are small-minded individuals who think it gives them some sort of blessing to restrict the electorate.
Republics are a form of democracy.
Well........ by dictionary definition... sort off. But history has proven otherwise, and the best example would be U.S.S.R. (United Soviet Socialist "Republics"). But then again, "Republic"ans claim they are not socialist. So the term Republic really has many meanings to it.
 

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Well........ by dictionary definition... sort off. But history has proven otherwise, and the best example would be U.S.S.R. (United Soviet Socialist "Republics"). But then again, "Republic"ans claim they are not socialist. So the term Republic really has many meanings to it.
Do not conflate the definition of "republic" with countries or parties that misuse the word "republic" in order to appear fair and democratic while being the opposite.
 
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