Texas Republican says conditions in migrant centers are worst he's ever seen

DrDoug

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More kids are going to die in these conditions.

For conservatives that's a feature, not a bug. Do you really think they care about brown kids being sick and dying? This is happening because they don't care one bit. For them it's the fault of the mother, the fault of the Democrats and the fault of everyone but the people who are doing it. One of these days it's going to sink in that conservatives are really nasty, evil people who enjoy the suffering of others who are different than them. Life is sacred to them...

as long as it's in an American womb.
 
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Why don't you guys just let some strangers off the street stay in your houses? They are hungry and sick and need your help. Also I assume your houses don't have any fences or doors either?
Edit: nvm you guys probably live in some apartment or condo because housing in the genius state you live in is not affordable to anyone but the wealthy. Also could you let your neighbors know to not come to the evil state of Texas. They are coming to Texas like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I guess they are tired of the safe places where junkies can shoot up heroin. I suppose that's better than them shitting in the streets in tent cities like it's medieval times again.
 
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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg

There is no requirement for the government to hold those seeking asylum like this, they are choosing to do so. If they wanted to stop it they could do so today.

The US has handled higher numbers of migrants in the past without resorting to this kind of barbarism, but that’s the thing - the suffering of these children is a FEATURE to Trump, not a bug.
 
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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg
Is this simply because we decided to detain people seeking asylum along with regular border-crossers or have we always done that? What is driving the huge increase?
 

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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg

Looks like Trump has completely lost control of the situation.

Forcing children to go without parental or medical care, or even toothbrushes and lice combs while they sleep on concrete floors isn't going to fix anything.
 

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https://www.axios.com/migrant-detention-center-conditions-6a45648a-8fba-4b5e-acfa-5e4ce033aada.html

Of course he blames the Dems, which is ludicrous, but at least he acknowledges the humanitarian crisis (THAT TRUMP CREATED)

Also, where's the evangelical outrage? I thought they were pro-life? More kids are going to die in these conditions.

so there are record number of illegals coming in, way more than obama and Trump has so far deported less than obama has but yet this all Trumps fault? derp.
 
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so there are record number of illegals coming in, way more than obama and Trump has so far deported less than obama has but yet this all Trumps fault? derp.
Can you explain why, when there were more people in this past, this problem didn't exist then? Other than Trump's policies on calling every last person seeking asylum a criminal and treating them as such what has changed that has caused this?

Again, as a reminder, there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum.
 

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Can you explain why, when there were more people in this past, this problem didn't exist then? Other than Trump's policies on calling every last person seeking asylum a criminal and treating them as such what has changed that has caused this?

Again, as a reminder, there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum.

I do not know why there is a huge surge going on. nobody is saying seeking asylum is illegal, but what is illegal is hiding behind the asylum flag when there is none.

To establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status, you must prove you are either the victim of past persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence.
 
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I do not know why there is a huge surge going on. nobody is saying seeking asylum is illegal, but what is illegal is hiding behind the asylum flag when there is none.

To establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status, you must prove you are either the victim of past persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. In the case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your home country or last country of residence.
And that ignores my entire question. If Trump's NEW policy is to treat them all as criminals leading to the mass detentions we are now seeing, how is it not his fault when there were more people in the past, say 1985-2006, coming across the border and this issue never existed?

Then you can add to that the fact that his administration is pulling funding to these countries leading to even more instability and uncertainty. This is entirely his fault.

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There is no requirement for the government to hold those seeking asylum like this, they are choosing to do so. If they wanted to stop it they could do so today.

The US has handled higher numbers of migrants in the past without resorting to this kind of barbarism, but that’s the thing - the suffering of these children is a FEATURE to Trump, not a bug.
I'm sure the idiots that go to his rallies are tickled pink. Otherism.
 

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https://www.axios.com/migrant-detention-center-conditions-6a45648a-8fba-4b5e-acfa-5e4ce033aada.html

Of course he blames the Dems, which is ludicrous, but at least he acknowledges the humanitarian crisis (THAT TRUMP CREATED)

Also, where's the evangelical outrage? I thought they were pro-life? More kids are going to die in these conditions.

Hot take:
They can live in their own countries. Democrats are to blame for not helping stop the importation. For not supporting enough of a barrier to end the crisis.

Democrat's idea of a solution is to escort these people in, do not detain illegal immigrants. The law is largely shaped to provide that today, though it allows for some limited and bastardized form of detainment as we are seeing. (Trump) Republican's idea of a solution is that these people never should have been here in the first place and we should see to it that the next million+ never make it past the border.
 

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I do love how the Admin paints locking them up as a humanitarian effort. And it's all Dems' fault because we don't want to pay more to lock more up.

What's really happening with the migrants is our own foreign policy towards Central America coming around to bite us in the ass. We have allowed, even encouraged corrupt kleptocracies there since forever. American business shows a profit on the northern triangle every year. We don't help build wealth in their economies but rather extract it.

When the people who live there have better lives, they'll quit coming to our border. That's obviously not even a matter of discussion in Trumpworld.
 

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Hot take:
They can live in their own countries. Democrats are to blame for not helping stop the importation. For not supporting enough of a barrier to end the crisis.

Democrat's idea of a solution is to escort these people in, do not detain illegal immigrants. The law is largely shaped to provide that today, though it allows for some limited and bastardized form of detainment as we are seeing. (Trump) Republican's idea of a solution is that these people never should have been here in the first place and we should see to it that the next million+ never make it past the border.

For like the 20th time they are not illegal immigrants and there's zero reason to believe a larger barrier would stop them from coming. The real answer is to improve conditions in their home countries, something Trump is actively undermining.

It's funny how Trump's failure at foreign policy is being used to justify his failure at the border.
 
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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg

I have soap, toothpaste, and heat. Something Trump's lawyers argue that children don't need in order to be safe and sanitary. Yet somehow they're shelling out $750/day/child. For what again?

Try not giving your kids those things and see how long it is before the government takes them away. But it's okay when they do it.

PS: extend that data back 20 years and you'll see these numbers are far lower. But now it's a horrible crisis/invasion/whatever.
 

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And that ignores my entire question. If Trump's NEW policy is to treat them all as criminals leading to the mass detentions we are now seeing, how is it not his fault when there were more people in the past, say 1985-2006, coming across the border and this issue never existed?

Then you can add to that the fact that his administration is pulling funding to these countries leading to even more instability and uncertainty. This is entirely his fault.

FT_14.12.26_BorderApprehensions.png

I tried to hit on this in one of the other threads. The issue is that Trump has taken all of it and lumped it into one thing, and on the other end, many of the left appear to be trying to claim that everyone crossing the boarder is an asylum seeker which isn't true either.
 

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For like the 20th time they are not illegal immigrants and there's zero reason to believe a larger barrier would stop them from coming. The real answer is to improve conditions in their home countries, something Trump is actively undermining.

It's funny how Trump's failure at foreign policy is being used to justify his failure at the border.

So get on it? You are fully capable of donating your time and money to help these people and their countries. I'm sure once you step up, everyone else will follow?

It's not that I don't agree with you, but let's be realistic here you're arguing on the internet with no intention to do anything about it except wait for the next election. Do you think with the next president suddenly those countries are going to get better?
 

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So get on it? You are fully capable of donating your time and money to help these people and their countries. I'm sure once you step up, everyone else will follow?

That's a silly way to look at things as these are collective action problems. It's similar to saying if I support higher taxes then I should just start paying them myself or if I support military action against a country I should go personally invade them, Rambo style.

It's not that I don't agree with you, but let's be realistic here you're arguing on the internet with no intention to do anything about it except wait for the next election. Do you think with the next president suddenly those countries are going to get better?

Why on earth would I need to personally intervene in every issue that I think is smart public policy? I also think we should expand health care options for poor people but I'm not going to start operating a clinic to do so.

As for the next president yes, the situation will get better. Honestly the situation could get better today if Trump felt like it, but he doesn't. Simply restoring Obama-era policies in this regard would be a good start.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...happened-to-the-obama-administrations-plan-to
 

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I mean when we are talking literally a million+ that are crossing in a massive surge - what are your expectations here? Build some high rise lofty hotels overnight or something?

I'm not saying they don't deserve better treatment, but if 25 people came to your door tomorrow - would you have single room beds, a buffet of food, and adequate medical staff ready by that night?

FY19TD_May_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg
Another situation Trump has been handed and made it worse.
 

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Hot take:
They can live in their own countries. Democrats are to blame for not helping stop the importation. For not supporting enough of a barrier to end the crisis.

Democrat's idea of a solution is to escort these people in, do not detain illegal immigrants. The law is largely shaped to provide that today, though it allows for some limited and bastardized form of detainment as we are seeing. (Trump) Republican's idea of a solution is that these people never should have been here in the first place and we should see to it that the next million+ never make it past the border.
So build a wall and everything magically goes away? You are typically more intelligent than this.