Texas graduation rate worst in nation, again
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Is it that Texas highschoolers are less educated, or is it just that they have REAL diplomas? Instead of most public school systems where youll find kids with High School diplomas who cant rate a 2nd grade reading level.
Youd think if the article was fair, they would have at least mentioned where Texas was on the list of avg in standardized test scores.
I saw a documentary on the Texas Education system, its the strictest in the country, if you dont pass the tests, you dont pass, period. If you ask me thats the way it should be in every state, at least I know that if im going to be hiring one of two kids with high school diplomas, ill take the kid from Texas because his diploma has more meaning behind it.
According to this chart, texas is in the top 20 states for SAT scores, pretty good considering Texas has either the highest or 2nd highest percentage of students who do not speak english as a first language.
Youd think if the article was fair, they would have at least mentioned where Texas was on the list of avg in standardized test scores.
I saw a documentary on the Texas Education system, its the strictest in the country, if you dont pass the tests, you dont pass, period. If you ask me thats the way it should be in every state, at least I know that if im going to be hiring one of two kids with high school diplomas, ill take the kid from Texas because his diploma has more meaning behind it.
According to this chart, texas is in the top 20 states for SAT scores, pretty good considering Texas has either the highest or 2nd highest percentage of students who do not speak english as a first language.
Originally posted by: dahunan
'To you 'C' students, you too can be president of the United States."
Did you get that from Chris Rock
?? That was some funny shizzz!!!!The national dropout rate is 30%.
Id like to know what they consider a high school diploma. It seems to me they are factoring in GEDs which they really should not.
And if you look, its not Texans, as 83% of black Texans(above the national avg), 89% of asian Texans, and 91% of anglo Texans.
Its Hispanic Texans.
I work with (not for) TEA on a number of projects and issues. The state not only has a low high school graduation rate, but also a proportionally high immigration rate. Teachers and administrators really perform quite the juggling act - admirably for the most part, I might add - in order to prepare newly arrived immigrants for TAKS.
You are correct, Train. If we couple immigration with other factors, like the diabolical "Robin Hood" initiative, Texas performs rather favorably in comparison to other state school systems.
Ummm, I'm not sure if they taught you how to study data in Tejas, but you might want to take a look at the stats before making such statements.
Real Diplomas, made from 100% Bison!
face it, Texas is full of redneck cowboy retards
all jokes aside, a Texan is a Texan, doesn't matter if he's black/white/or brown.
all jokes aside, a Texan is a Texan, doesn't matter if he's black/white/or brown.
If you do not count GED recipients as high school graduates. Which you really shouldnt anyways, this is how states and school districts pad their dropout numbers.
When only counting high school graduates, and not highschool graduates and GEDs. The national high school graduation rate is 70%, meaning the national dropout rate is 30%
Numbers below are the actual highschool graduation rates.
Colorado 68%
New Mexico 67%
California 67%
Texas 67%
Washington 66%
Oregon 66%
Alabama 66%
New York 65%
Alaska 64%
Mississippi 64%
Michigan 63%
DC 63%
North Carolina 63%
Nevada 61%
Tennesse 60%
South Carolina 57%
Georgia 56%
Florida 56%
When only counting high school graduates, and not highschool graduates and GEDs. The national high school graduation rate is 70%, meaning the national dropout rate is 30%
Numbers below are the actual highschool graduation rates.
Colorado 68%
New Mexico 67%
California 67%
Texas 67%
Washington 66%
Oregon 66%
Alabama 66%
New York 65%
Alaska 64%
Mississippi 64%
Michigan 63%
DC 63%
North Carolina 63%
Nevada 61%
Tennesse 60%
South Carolina 57%
Georgia 56%
Florida 56%
Source, link, come on man. I mean, you're saying the stats are a conspiracy to make Tejas look bad? PLease. Talk about yer tinfoal hatz
Look at the College Boards own numbers, and specifically look at participation. Participation, and the lack thereof skew the numbers significantly.
Im looking FORWARD to seeing the poor scores on the 2005 SATs. They are adding more difficult math, and a writing section.
Lmao...took the words right outta my mout Perk. I just went through that chart and was about to respond. To be fair, a lot of the states that have poor SAT averages have high levels of immigration. HI, CA and TX...
The point is, digitalsm, when the entire nation is subject to the same method of stat analysis, Texas comes in near the bottom in graduation rates, standardized test scores, SATs, you name it. Slicing and dicing and factoring in this or that, standing on your head and spitting wooden nickels, etc, will do nothing to change that fact. Boom.
dahunan
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Originally posted by: digiram
Originally posted by: dahunan
'To you 'C' students, you too can be president of the United States."
Did you get that from Chris Rock
George W. Bush spoke that line at the 2001 Yale Commencement Speech
My point is, GED does NOT = high school graduate. These numbers have GEDs = to high school graduates. Which is a common method schools use to manipulate drop out rates.
When factoring out people who recieve a GED, Texas is near the bottom(high 30s), but its not the bottom, better than NY and tied with CA. This is using the same standard across the nation. The standard of graduating highschool is graduating highschool, and dropping out and getting a GED is not graduating highschool.
As for SATs. Yes, Texas places near the bottom, but ~20 states ahead of it have a very small to relatively small percentage of students taking them. When you only have qualified people taking them, of course the states will have a higher average score. The SATs are NOT a vaild statisical comparison between states because of the participation levels. You can't compare North Dakota's 4% of high school graduates taking the SATs and averaging 1215, to Texas with 57% of high school graduates taking the SATs and averaging 993.
If you took vaild statistical comparisons, Texas would be ranked in the high 30s in every category, instead of high 40s. Still bad, but not as bad.
And most of the states with high SAT scores have a low percentage of people taking the SATs. If every high school graduate in the country took the SAT, the SAT would be a vaild comparison. And in that event the average SAT score would be quite low, in the sub-800 range, maybe even in the sub700 range.
i graduated from a high school in texas in 2001, but i spent the first half of my education in southern california. and all i have to say is that the school district i graduated from has a lot more stringent of standards than the school district i started out in, in southern california.
in so cal, i could use calculators and cheet sheets on tests [even standardized ones!] and the teachers 'helped' out a lot on those tests too, plus we had nearly unlimited time. but in texas, all you had was a pen, some paper and a time limit. the teachers kept their mouths shut [except to reprimand us for whispering] or to give a response to a non test related question directed at them.
it may appear that texas schools suck, but the one i went to had [maybe still has] a lot of intelligent people [high SAT/ACT scores, NHS, etc...] and more than half the people in ym graduating class graduated with honors.
oh well, compared to the california public schooling system, id have to say texas gives a lot better of an education with higher standards for graduation.
id love to make a comparison to some school from the NE region, but i have no experience in those school systems.
in so cal, i could use calculators and cheet sheets on tests [even standardized ones!] and the teachers 'helped' out a lot on those tests too, plus we had nearly unlimited time. but in texas, all you had was a pen, some paper and a time limit. the teachers kept their mouths shut [except to reprimand us for whispering] or to give a response to a non test related question directed at them.
it may appear that texas schools suck, but the one i went to had [maybe still has] a lot of intelligent people [high SAT/ACT scores, NHS, etc...] and more than half the people in ym graduating class graduated with honors.
oh well, compared to the california public schooling system, id have to say texas gives a lot better of an education with higher standards for graduation.
id love to make a comparison to some school from the NE region, but i have no experience in those school systems.
Train, what the hell are you talking about--There is no way you could pass the New York State Regents tests and get a high school diploma--You people are pathetic--you have an excuse for everything.
zephyrprime
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You're looking at that chart wrong. That chart is sorted by participation. I imported into excel and Texas is rated:
47th for verbal
47th for math
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