Texas Concealed Carry on Campus Finally Close to Reality

[Nebor]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/05/09/3062565/state-senate-oks-concealed-handguns.html

Some people are a little riled up that this change to Texas concealed carry law already passed:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/10/legislator-concealed-carry-good-for-me-but-not-for-thee/

I think it's about time. The states\schools that allow concealed carry have had no negative incidents thus far.

Every school administrator in Texas has aligned pretty strongly against this, but we managed to score all the Republican votes by exempting private universities from the new law. Concealed carry will only be for public schools.

Too bad I don't go to school anymore.

 

[lord_emperor]

Good.

Now let's hope some drunken college student doesn't screw it up for everyone.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Good.

Now let's hope some university rent-a-cop on a power trip doesn't screw it up for everyone.

Fixed.
UT Campus police make the gestapo look good.

 

[xj0hnx]

Fixed.
UT Campus police make the gestapo look good.

Those guys are lol, their bike cops used to chase us off when we'd ride bikes there.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm a firm believer in CC but I dunno if I would want it on campus.
I have a lock box in my truck and I'm just fine leaving my gun behind when I go to class. (Its legal in Virginia before anybody jumps on my ass.)

 

[Jaskalas]

Every school administrator in Texas has aligned pretty strongly against this, but we managed to score all the Republican votes by exempting private universities from the new law. Concealed carry will only be for public schools.

That's the thing about public education. Government decides the rules. They do not (yet) have the authority to say a private university must accept guns. At least not directly.

I don't know about this. If the aim of the second amendment was to protect the American people from their own government... after it has grown so ominous and carnivorous with the wealth and power of this nation, it's a wonder what there's left to argue about? A rag tag bunch with pistols won't stop the police or military from enforcing a corrupt authority that ought not to exist in the first place.

A more important reflection of the second amendment would be to limit centralized authority. Such legislation would have an infinitely more profound effect on the security of our people from its corrupt aristocrats. If you want human rights, the second amendment is not enough. Not nearly enough given the size and scope of our government today.

We need to stop arguing about whether we need a gun to shoot, and ask ourselves why we need that gun in the first place. No, it's not for hunting. Its cause centralized authority over 310 million people cannot possibly address the need for a representative democracy. This is not something we can shoot our way out of if you want anything recognizable afterwards.


Now, on the issue of personal security. That's another issue entirely, one that I must wonder if the second amendment and gun ownership is meant to address. For now I'll think of this as a question of government and human rights.

 

[shortylickens]

That's the thing about public education. Government decides the rules. They do not (yet) have the authority to say a private university must accept guns. At least not directly.

I don't know about this. If the aim of the second amendment was to protect the American people from their own government... after it has grown so ominous and carnivorous with the wealth and power of this nation, it's a wonder what there's left to argue about? A rag tag bunch with pistols won't stop the police or military from enforcing a corrupt authority that ought not to exist in the first place.

A more important reflection of the second amendment would be to limit centralized authority. Such legislation would have an infinitely more profound effect on the security of our people from its corrupt aristocrats. If you want human rights, the second amendment is not enough. Not nearly enough given the size and scope of our government today.

We need to stop arguing about whether we need a gun to shoot, and ask ourselves why we need that gun in the first place. No, it's not for hunting. Its cause centralized authority over 310 million people cannot possibly address the need for a representative democracy. This is not something we can shoot our way out of if you want anything recognizable afterwards.


Now, on the issue of personal security. That's another issue entirely, one that I must wonder if the second amendment and gun ownership is meant to address. For now I'll think of this as a question of government and human rights.

I'm hoping that reinforcing gun freedoms around the country will promote gun enthusiasm and people will eventually keep an M14 in their house.
If for no other reason to reduce the prices on M14's.
:awe:

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm hoping that reinforcing gun freedoms around the country will promote gun enthusiasm and people will eventually keep an M14 in their house.
If for no other reason to reduce the prices on M14's.
:awe:

Seriously this. It was less expensive for me to get my tax stamp, SLR-106U and the conversion than to pick up a M14 I wanted

 

[DucatiMonster696]

This law allows CC holders to carry onto a public campus which is no different then them carrying on the street. In other words it does not punish those who have obeyed the law and gained access to a CC license in Texas when they want to carry on a public campus.

 

[fskimospy]

Colleges are like bars, they both get better with more guns. Thanks, Texas!

 

[Nebor]

These are already the same people carrying guns at the grocery store, the movie theater, the Chili's and the McDonald's. And actually, in Texas, they can carry their concealed handgun everywhere at a school except in the building(s) itself. What's so scary about them carrying their guns in a classroom?

 

[fskimospy]

These are already the same people carrying guns at the grocery store, the movie theater, the Chili's and the McDonald's. And actually, in Texas, they can carry their concealed handgun everywhere at a school except in the building(s) itself. What's so scary about them carrying their guns in a classroom?

I didn't say there was anything 'scary' about them carrying guns into the classroom. I've been around guns all my life, I'm a better shot than most people on this forum I'd bet, and I'm a big defender of the 2nd amendment.

The government can certainly restrict the ability of people to carry weapons within public buildings, and I don't see concealed weapons as being a net benefit to colleges. Or bars for that matter.

 

[xj0hnx]

I didn't say there was anything 'scary' about them carrying guns into the classroom. I've been around guns all my life, I'm a better shot than most people on this forum I'd bet, and I'm a big defender of the 2nd amendment.

The government can certainly restrict the ability of people to carry weapons within public buildings, and I don't see concealed weapons as being a net benefit to colleges. Or bars for that matter.

You can't carry, even licensed, in an establishment that make 51% or more of it's sales from serving alcohol. Pretty much outside of government buildings, schools, and hospitals, any business can display the proper 30-06 sign, and restrict carrying.

 

[Zebo]

I'm a firm believer in CC but I dunno if I would want it on campus.
I have a lock box in my truck and I'm just fine leaving my gun behind when I go to class. (Its legal in Virginia before anybody jumps on my ass.)

A lot of good that does you when some nut is methodically going through the halls and class to class shooting people for 15 min like at VT.

If you're a mass murdering sociopath schools are what's known as a target rich environment since you can act with impunity and they know that. Should not be so.

 

[shortylickens]

A lot of good that does you when some nut is methodically going through the halls and class to class shooting people for 15 min like at VT.

If you're a mass murdering sociopath schools are what's known as a target rich environment since you can act with impunity and they know that. Should not be so.

Me thinks you do not understand what purpose concealed carry serves.
It is for self defense.
It is NOT so I can perform vigilante justice.
If a nutjob was shooting up the school I would haul ass out of there and the gun would only be if I were boxed in with no escape.

 

[xj0hnx]

Me thinks you do not understand what purpose concealed carry serves.
It is for self defense.
It is NOT so I can perform vigilante justice.
If a nutjob was shooting up the school I would haul ass out of there and the gun would only be if I were boxed in with no escape.

So if you had a means to stop someone from murdering people around you, you wouldn't use it unless they were about to murder you? That's pretty sad dude.

 

[MotF Bane]

Good. I've supported this sort of thing for a while.

Unfortunately, proving it works is something that cannot be proved.

 

[HAL9000]

You guys think it's a good idea for students to carry weapons on campus?

 

[xj0hnx]

You guys think it's a good idea for students to carry weapons on campus?

And? Does attending school make someone a less responsible person?

 

[HAL9000]

And? Does attending school make someone a less responsible person?

Being a student generally comes with a huge amount of alcohol and drugs, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What I'm referring to is if you are in a student only area (+ lecturers) With security on site, why exactly would you need everyone to carry guns? All it means is that drunk campus bar fights will become a lot worse.

 

[xj0hnx]

Being a student generally comes with a huge amount of alcohol and drugs, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What I'm referring to is if you are in a student only area (+ lecturers) With security on site, why exactly would you need everyone to carry guns? All it means is that drunk campus bar fights will become a lot worse.

People aren't having keggers, and snorting lines in class. As far as the security thing, some campus are fucking huge, and more than likely understaffed with dough boys versus real security. Depending on campus security to save you is as bad, if not worse than thinking police can save you.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You can't carry, even licensed, in an establishment that make 51% or more of it's sales from serving alcohol. Pretty much outside of government buildings, schools, and hospitals, any business can display the proper 30-06 sign, and restrict carrying.

Just to clarify for those watching at home - this applies only to certain states (ie Texas in this case). Carry on.

 

[HAL9000]

People aren't having keggers, and snorting lines in class. As far as the security thing, some campus are fucking huge, and more than likely understaffed with dough boys versus real security. Depending on campus security to save you is as bad, if not worse than thinking police can save you.

The police can save you if they are in your road. People shouldn't have the right to kill each other. Why would you need saving? It's just students and staff.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You guys think it's a good idea for students to carry weapons on campus?

After spending a few years as a Regional Director of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and other years as Campus Leaders, I would have thought that was obvious.

 

[HAL9000]

After spending a few years as a Regional Director of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, and other years as Campus Leaders, I would have thought that was obvious.

Sure, it doesn't explain why.