Fern is right. Both the McCain and the Clinton campaigns were very cautious about anything that would smack of racism or would raise questions of character or suitability to any great extent. The ties to Bill Ayers and pals, Rev. Wright, ACORN, etc. were brought up by researchers inside and outside the campaigns and the information was never adequately framed nor much exploited by the campaigns.
McCain did not want to go there as he wanted an aboveboard campaign. Clinton did not want to alienate core constituencies as that would hurt her in the long run.
I think Clinton should have dug deeper and more aggressively used Obama's inexperience against him. She could have pressed for a release of academic records and a full work history and used those against him. She didn't and she lost.
When Obama got the nod he did not hesitate to use every bit of malicious typecasting in an attempt to destroy both McCain and Palin. Look at how many here bought into and still believe the propaganda. Though McCain's and Palin's histories were very much of an open book and thus could never be significantly damaging to them under impartial examination, Obama had lots of ties to questionable characters, his whole history was one of association with them, so he and his campaign never let his book be opened as wide as it should have. It still remains under lock and key, relatively speaking.
The BC matter is a peripheral issue that has much less bearing than others.
That's ridiculous. If they uncovered that Obama wasn't a citizen, they instantly won the election. Either one of them would have pursued that in a second if they thought there was something to it.
This single mother with a black child can now register him in scholls etc.
Fern
That's ridiculous. If they uncovered that Obama wasn't a citizen, they instantly won the election. Either one of them would have pursued that in a second if they thought there was something to it.
I don't know why Obama hasn't released his proper birth certificate instead of this obfuscation. Same thing with his school records. Maybe he's sensitive about people not accepting his word. Maybe he just likes to mess with us. Either way, none of this matters.
Are you saying that Obama has his original birth certificate somewhere and refuses to show it?
Most of us have a certified copy of our original BC. I'm Obama's age, some younger people fail to realize that there were no PC's, networks, fax machines, word processors or printers back then. We've been dragging around certified copies of the original for long time, that's all there was.
Otherwise, HI has said Obama is the only one who can request a copy of his original.
Fern
Many of us who have moved about a great deal lost their original copy of their birth certificate long ago. I requested a replacement from North Carolina and received a document strikingly similar to the certificate of live birth that the Obama campaign released when first asked.Most of us have a certified copy of our original BC. I'm Obama's age, some younger people fail to realize that there were no PC's, networks, fax machines, word processors or printers back then. We've been dragging around certified copies of the original for long time, that's all there was.
Otherwise, HI has said Obama is the only one who can request a copy of his original.
Fern
I don't know whether he has one or not, but I thought HI said that all the birth certificates are on computer now and they don't have any originals anymore.
Many of us who have moved about a great deal lost their original copy of their birth certificate long ago. I requested a replacement from North Carolina and received a document strikingly similar to the certificate of live birth that the Obama campaign released when first asked.
As for President Obama requesting that Hawaii release an actual copy of his original "long-form" birth certificate, why should he?
With the evidence released so far and the statements from the governor and Dr. Fukino affirming that they each have seen the original "long-form" birth certificate and are each convinced that President Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and is Constitutionally qualified to serve, the Birthers are very easily marginalized and their legislative supporters are seen by most rational people as the fools and patent panderers that they are.
Snopes LinkI, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago
I guess he also fired up his Mr. Fusion-powered DeLorean and altered the Honolulu paper from a few days after his birth as well?
Birthers![]()
Charlie Sheen is a drug-besotted, sex-obsessed third-rate intellect who can barely "act" his way through a parody film or badly written half-hour sitcom.hey birthers....your credibility went that way --------->
remeber when charlie sheep went on a rant about how the twin towers were brought down by explosives....yup your now charlie sheen....
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months agoI've read pretty much all there is at all the sites. Granted 99% of it is flat out BS. But Snopes and others have nothing of significance about which type of HI BC he has. They can't, they don't know and neither does anyone else.
Fern
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago
You're not interested in testimony that President Obama actually is Constitutionally qualified to hold the office, you just want to obsess on bureaucratic trivia?So, according to her statement he has a type #1, or a type #2, or type #3 HI BC, just not a type #4. So what?
Fern
Are you saying that Obama has his original birth certificate somewhere and refuses to show it?
You're not interested in testimony that President Obama actually is Constitutionally qualified to hold the office, you just want to obsess on bureaucratic trivia?
Troll on...
You're not interested in testimony that President Obama actually is Constitutionally qualified to hold the office, you just want to obsess on bureaucratic trivia?
Troll on...
