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Testing a MB outside of a case

Fluence

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What would be the safest workbench on which to test a motherboard outside of a case? I mean to install the CPU, GPU, memory, and a hard drive, and let the configuration run for a few minutes.

Please mention the best, but also readily available surfaces such as a wooden table or static bags.

And if this is really just -going- to destroy the components, let me know, but it can be done safely, right?

Thanks in advance.
 
Shorts and physically breaking components off are the problems.
I run computers without cases for months at a time on a wooden bench.
 
I use the mobo box. Put the mobo on top of it.
Watch for static and heat. I believe ATX standard requires some clearance underneath the mobo, not only for electric isolation, but also some ventulation as well. For short term use, it should be fine.
 
Cheap plastic placemats can be had at dollar-type stores for as little as 50¢. I also use 2 art gum erasers to support the left edge of the mb if I am using a vid card in it (you need clearance for the slot bracket).
 
Originally posted by: CP5670
I just use the static bags and packaging foam that motherboards come in.

Man, don't do that.

The antistatic bag that the board comes in is conductive. That is the whole point about it.
 
Originally posted by: Billb2
Shorts and physically breaking components off are the problems.
I run computers without cases for months at a time on a wooden bench.

Man, don't do that.

The antistatic bag that the board comes in is conductive
 
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
Originally posted by: CP5670
I just use the static bags and packaging foam that motherboards come in.

Man, don't do that.

The antistatic bag that the board comes in is conductive. That is the whole point about it.

I put the board on the foam padding and the foam on the bag, so the motherboard doesn't actually come in contact with the bag. I haven't run into any problems.
 
My Lian-Li's have slide out mobo trays so motherboard installation is a snap. Everything working, just slide in tray; nice way to get started.

Just to be safe, use a static mat for all those careful individuals out there. Better yet, get a roll-about wooden table, very nice. Whatever works for you.

May all your computing building be enjoyable and satisfying.
 
Anything non-conductive (static bags are conductive) will work just fine. For example, my crack rack is completely without computer cases, as seen here. All three machines are running 24/7.
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
The antistatic bag that the board comes in is conductive.

Really? My multimeter doesn't think so. Try it for yourself.

I've actually tryed to run a board on that antistatic bag, put the mobo down on it, wont boot, fans spin.
Lift it up and hold in mid air by the heatsink (microatx board with stock 478 heatsink, so no probs doing it) it will boot and work fine.
Put it on the card board box and it still works fine.

So yea i did this a while ago, but clearly its not gonna work on the antistatic bag. U can try though, but if it blows something, well ...... 😛
 
I will try it, but not tonight. I was taking some nude pics for another site this evening and I'm tired... gonna go to sleep soon. Anyways, if the multimeter says it is non-conductive, then it shouldn't short out the motherboard. I tried with a bubble pack style antistatic bag, a small silver antistatic bag and also a large silver one that my DFI LANPARTY Ultra-D board was packed in. None were conductive. I tested on a variety of other items and things that were metal made the numbers jump on the multimeter.
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
The antistatic bag that the board comes in is conductive.

Really? My multimeter doesn't think so. Try it for yourself.

There are some idiot companies shipping in nonconductive bags, but in general, yes the whole point about it is that it is conductive.

Same for the foam in AMD processor boxes, it's conductive (unless you get OEM from ewiz...).
 
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
Same for the foam in AMD processor boxes, it's conductive
I just tested that also (retail AMD CPU) and mine isn't conductive.

 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: MartinCracauer
Same for the foam in AMD processor boxes, it's conductive
I just tested that also (retail AMD CPU) and mine isn't conductive.

I tested three AMD boxes, two were conductive, one was not.
 
Well, don't know about the black foam pad in the retail box, but I was doing some research on anti-static bags and some of them are a thin conductive layer under plastic, so just testing on the surface may not show conductivity (which is how I tested) but a PCB with pins out the bottom will poke through to the conductive layer. Not all bags are made this way, but some are.

http://www.esdjournal.com/techpapr/ryne/esdbags.htm

Antistatic Bags
Antistatic bags are typically coated with a topical antistat agent that helps minimize the generation of a static imbalance from triboelectric generation or contact and separation (i.e., definition of antistatic). Some antistatic bags are made with an antistat built into the films layers and tend to be more reliable and cleaner then the topically treated ones. A good bag has antistatic properties on both the inside and outside of the bag?s film construction.

Dissipative Bags
Bags with the films surface resistance in the dissipative range are preferred because charge dissipates across the surface at a controlled rate. Most dissipative bags also have the property of being antistatic. These are good general bags to be used in non-critical environments.

Metallized Shielding Bags
Metallized shielding bags have either a metal film embedded into the bag film construction or coated onto an existing layer. This metal film acts as an electrical shield against electrical discharges from the outside of the bag. Depending on the energy and duration of the discharge and the thickness of the metal film, an ESD event is typically spread out over the outer surface of the metal film and if fully enclosed, i.e. the bag is sealed, then the charges current from the ESD event is contained to the outside (outer surface) of the metal film, i.e., providing a region of no electrostatic fields within the bag, thereby protecting the contents within. This effect is known as the Faraday Cage Effect and is commonly used in controlling ESD via metallized shielding bags, conductive bags and the conductive tote box with a cover.

Basically a bag labeled as "anti-static" has that property, and may or may not be conductive but it needs not be conductive to be called "anti-static." A bag that's labeled "ESD" will be conductive.

Maybe.
 
I just use a few sheets of white paper for insulation. I usually put them on a mobo box or book to be able to put in expansion cards.
 
Yeah, antistatic bags is a really bad idea. The part that is antistatic is on the inside of the bag.

What I use? An old beat up case (I'm sure you have one!)'s motherboard tray. I took the mobo tray out of the case (almost every single case I've worked with has this if you screwed it in.) I throw on some risers, screw the mobo in, plug everything in, and then I'm golden. If this is too much work, then a plastic board or something would work. I use a small plastic cutting board for HD's and the PSU anyways since there isn't room for them.

If you have to test a lot of mobos fast, this isn't a good enough answer. Get a large plastic board and be really attentive so it doesn't get knocked off of the table.
 
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