"Test only" smog every 2 years!

Muse

Lifer
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I live in Berkeley, CA and I have two cars. One of them's a 1983 Chrysler Town and Country wagon and I keep it only to do the occasional run to Home Depot, etc. to get stuff too bulky for my 626 Mazda coupe. I use it sparingly - averaging 220/year for the last two years. Most of those miles are 20 mile runs I do every couple months or so just to give it a spin to keep its systems functional. It's got less than 119,000 on it, has a 2.6 liter Mitsubishi engine with a Mikuni carboretor.

Two smog checks ago (2003), I brought it to a local gas station/smog test facility and the mechanic mistakenly diagnosed that it had a bad EGR valve and I then had to bring it to a test only facility. Here's what my notes said: "Their report said the EGR failed, that the timing was off, the idle fast and the CO 4.0 with permissible 1.50, ergo gross polluter."

I brought it to a gas station recommended by my mechanic and they wanted $200 just to look at it (my mechanic said he wasn't approved, himself), so I went to a second place where they said they'd diagnose it for $88. They did that and it covered their adjustments, as it turned out!). They said my EGR was fine and they adjusted the timing, idle and carburetor.

I then had to go to a test only station because of the original failure. The mechanic there said my EGR was bad! I was incredulous. He saw the phone number of the place that had done my adjustments and he called them to ask them about the EGR and they schooled him about my car, why he thought the EGR was bad when it was actually fine. These mechanics are often lazy and don't do their homework on the cars that come in - information readily available to them if they go to the trouble to find it.

I go back to my mechanic and tell him the story and he tells me intensely that I should call the state and complain about the original smog shop/station that diagnosed a bad EGR. So, I do that and a guy from the state comes over my house and interviews me and tests my car.

Well, the thing is that now every 2 years when I need a smog check for this car (for example, right now!), the letters I get specify that I have to go to a test only station. Is this because the car is so old or is it because I had that failed report in 2003? That report was erroneous, and I think I might be getting the shaft. Last time it was checked two years ago it passed quite handily with very low emissions. Honestly, I'm spending more for smog checks (test only stations cost more) than I'm spending for gas on this car!
 

BoomerD

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Using a generic 94702 sip code for Berzerkely, you get this at the Kahleeforneeya "Department of Consumer Affairs- Bureau of Automotive Repair" who is in charge of smog checks:

" 94702 in county ALAMEDA is Enhanced

In an Enhanced Area, you must obtain your inspection at a Smog Check station which has the BAR-97 Emissions Inspection System, the most modern type of test equipment.
Your car will be tested for harmful levels of emissions of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and Oxides of Nitrogen, an important smog-forming compound.
All Smog Check stations in Enhanced areas are required to have the BAR-97 equipment.
Your car must be tested every two years, when sold, or upon initial California registration.
If your registration renewal notice indicates your vehicle has been directed to a Test-Only Center, then you must bring it to one of these types of stations, which offer testing but no repairs. "

For further information:
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/stdhome.asp
 

HannibalX

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Move to Florida, we have everything you have in Cali minus all your stupid laws. :)
 

JulesMaximus

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We had a BMW 3 series that was labeled a gross polluter (I have no idea why...we bought it used from a BMW dealership) so we always had to take it to a test only station. They just put it on the dyno, test it and tell you if you pass or failed. Our car always passed so it didn't cost us any more than having the smog check done at any other place.

I suggest you find a reputable smog check place and stick with them. Sounds like the first place tried to screw you.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Move to Florida, we have everything you have in Cali plus huge bugs, horrible humidity, oppressive heat, vast swamplands, our illegals are all from Cuba instead of Mexico, and we have destructive hurricanes every summer...did I miss anything? Oh yeah, we should change our state's motto from the sunshine state to the blue hair state. :)

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BoomerD

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Move to Florida, we have everything you have in Cali plus huge bugs, horrible humidity, oppressive heat, vast swamplands, our illegals are all from Cuba instead of Mexico, and we have destructive hurricanes every summer...did I miss anything? Oh yeah, we still can't hold an honest election, and should change our state's motto from the sunshine state to the blue hair state. :)

fixed

fixed again!
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Move to Florida, we have everything you have in Cali plus huge bugs, horrible humidity, oppressive heat, vast swamplands, our illegals are all from Cuba instead of Mexico, and we have destructive hurricanes every summer...did I miss anything? Oh yeah, we still can't hold an honest election, and should change our state's motto from the sunshine state to the blue hair state. :)

fixed

fixed again!

:thumbsup::laugh:
 

shopbruin

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it's because it's old. i had a 98 civic and my last smog check i had to go to a test only station.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: freesia39
it's because it's old. i had a 98 civic and my last smog check i had to go to a test only station.

Thanks for the Florida laughs! :laugh:

98 old? Well, I didn't have to use a test only smog check facility in 2003 and it was 20 years old then. I've only had to do test only since that bimbo said it had a bad EGR and he was wrong! I'm going to try to find out what's the deal. The CA smog site (cited in the post below) doesn't say why a car might be specified to a test only site. Sucks that they don't tell you anything there. Anyway, I figure it'll be a big hassle but I'd like an answer. Those test only stations cost more, is my experience. This time, though, (if I have to) I'm going to call around. Googling I came up with 9 test only stations in my immediate vicinity. Funny: in 2003, the closest one I could find was 8.5 miles away, and the one I used in 2005 still exists and isn't on that Googled map.

Thing is, I hardly ever use the car, it runs clean and the smogs are costing me more than the gas. :roll: Last time it cost me about $70.
 

IGBT

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..I live in SF near Top Of The Hill daly city and I've been snagged 2 years in a row for my 92 Dakota. Passed both times but paid twice the going rate to have the dyno/test done. The whole smog II program is just another enviro-wacko scam. You think it's bad now?? wait till the global cooling/warming morons start charging a co2 penalty. Get ready. It's comming.
 

Muse

Lifer
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I just called the BAR and talked to a live person who looked up my license number and said my car (make year and model) is on the list for test only smog checks. He said that eventually all cars will be required to do test only, they just don't have enough facilities yet.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: radioouman
That's a good little car. I hate that motor. But it is a good car.

Guess you're talking about my T&C. It's a compact station wagon and convenient 'cause it has a roof rack and room in the back when you fold down the back seats (which is the way I keep it). Handles horrible compared to my Mazda 626, but I almost never drive it. Never had a trany job. Horn doesn't work anymore (except on rare occasions!). The suspension is crap, and I spent a small fortune trying to get it to stop clunking and stopped pouring money into that pit. I just live with its shortcomings and it keeps satisfying the occasional need and keeps running (fingers crossed).

Like I said, this time I'm going to call all the local test only stations and find out what they charge before bringing it to anybody.