Test drove an '07 Subary STi - what else should I compare it to

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: EGGO
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO

hopefully not the new one

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: EGGO
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO

I mentioned earlier in the thread why that isnt an option. I am in Canada, where the Lancer EVO did not pass whatever tests and is not allowed to be registered here.

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
No 240hp GTi-30 in the US?

Yeah exactly I thought there was a GTi R32 or something, apparently not.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
No 240hp GTi-30 in the US?

Yeah exactly I thought there was a GTi R32 or something, apparently not.

Nah. We have a 240+hp GTi 30 edition, to celebrate 30 years of the Golf. A mate of mine has one in Obsidian Black. Just got it couple of months ago. Nice machine. The R32 is OK, but a bit of a pig.

 

[lurk3r]

The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

Why isn't the Mazdaspeed competition?

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

The 330xi is no where near the STI

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

You are right about the Mazdaspeed6 though. Test drove it today and couldnt believe how sluggish it was.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

You are right about the Mazdaspeed6 though. Test drove it today and couldnt believe how sluggish it was.

the thing about the MS6 is that it is in a different class. it's not raw like the sti or evo and obviously it is slower stock for stock.

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

You are right about the Mazdaspeed6 though. Test drove it today and couldnt believe how sluggish it was.

the thing about the MS6 is that it is in a different class. it's not raw like the sti or evo and obviously it is slower stock for stock.

It seems like they've tried to compete with the STI/EVO though. The suspension is just as stiff and they are light on amenities as well. It just seems to trip over itself though when you accelerate hard.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

You are right about the Mazdaspeed6 though. Test drove it today and couldnt believe how sluggish it was.

Sounds like you fell victim to a dealer putting 87 octane in. The Mazdaspeed 6 requires 93, not 91, or especially not 87. If you put 87 in it, which a lot of dealers do, it's horrible. I'm not surprised with the current prices. Even 91 will slow it down...

With the right driver it's a 5.0 sec 0-60 with some getting 13.8 times in a 3600lb car.

It's stock for stock a bit slower than the STI for sure, mostly due to weight.

The STI and MS6 are really kind of different too. The MS6 is a more touring car, not all out speed. Did you test drive a sport or GT?

http://www.caranddriver.com/fe...2007-mazdaspeed-6.html

 

[batmang]

Mazdaspeed3 yo!

 

[Chrono]

GET THE STI! I drive my 06' STI as a DD and I love it ;p

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

Why isn't the Mazdaspeed competition?

The Mazda speed is basically a turbocharged focus with some suspension upgrades, it may be competition for the WRX, if you ignore the fact the WRX is allwheel drive, the STI, however is a whole different class, it can run with the vettes.

The Mazda may be alright on dry pavement, but you said you live in Ontario, sorry you'll want all wheel drive

The reason I went 330xi was to give another all wheel drive in around the same price range, but if you look at other posts I blasted BMW pretty bad. A new one will definately be dear.

I've lived in northern ontario, where half the year allwheel drive is very nice to have, and minus the EVO, its the only thing I can come up with off the top of my head.

The Gti, well its a volkswagon, if you miss the 30k timing belt change it has a nice feature where it just throws it out of the engine for you. (my buddy at work's had to replace 2 engines with 65k miles on em after changing the timing belt once)

My plain old Impreza 2.5 TL was great for winters/drives to camp, if you didn't like the one you drove try the wagon, alot more headroom, and seemed to me a much more comfortable ride.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

Why isn't the Mazdaspeed competition?

The Mazda speed is basically a turbocharged focus with some suspension upgrades, it may be competition for the WRX, if you ignore the fact the WRX is allwheel drive, the STI, however is a whole different class, it can run with the vettes.

The Mazda may be alright on dry pavement, but you said you live in Ontario, sorry you'll want all wheel drive

The reason I went 330xi was to give another all wheel drive in around the same price range, but if you look at other posts I blasted BMW pretty bad. A new one will definately be dear.

I've lived in northern ontario, where half the year allwheel drive is very nice to have, and minus the EVO, its the only thing I can come up with off the top of my head.

The Gti, well its a volkswagon, if you miss the 30k timing belt change it has a nice feature where it just throws it out of the engine for you. (my buddy at work's had to replace 2 engines with 65k miles on em after changing the timing belt once)

My plain old Impreza 2.5 TL was great for winters/drives to camp, if you didn't like the one you drove try the wagon, alot more headroom, and seemed to me a much more comfortable ride.

Are you high? Just curious. I think you are thinking of the Mazdaspeed 3? Even if you are, it's not related to the focus at all. Secondly, the Mazdaspeed 6 is AWD and it's not that much slower than a STI stock for stock. It sounds like you really have zero knowledge on the Mazdaspeeds...

http://www.caranddriver.com/fe...2007-mazdaspeed-6.html

Also, not only is the Mazdaspeed 3 not based on a focus, or simply a "turbocharged focus" at that, it's not even similar. I'm not aware of any Ford's with DISI engines.

No offense, but before you bother posting in car threads like you know what you are talking about...try research.

 

[Tylanner]

STI is a perfect winter car, how is this even a debate?

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Tylanner
STI is a perfect winter car, how is this even a debate?

unless you see all those pics of people thinking that AWD is the end all be all and drive stupid in rain/snow/sleet. AWD can't help you stop any faster. just remember op, if you get awd, please remember, you can crash all the same in any type of car

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Are you high? Just curious. I think you are thinking of the Mazdaspeed 3? Even if you are, it's not related to the focus at all. Secondly, the Mazdaspeed 6 is AWD and it's not that much slower than a STI stock for stock. It sounds like you really have zero knowledge on the Mazdaspeeds...

eep, it was the 3 I drove, not the 6 sorry, but the article you linked shows the speed rated slower than the 240 hp legacy, which is basically a heavy WRX, not the 300 hp ish STi, and the Sti comes with things like variable center diff etc.

Its been a while, but the Sti I had (swapped my buddy's STi for my vette for a weekend) was about $20k more than the WRX cars, there was just that much more added into it. I believe it was the 2004 model. My point was it's not fair to compare cars that are similar to the WRX to the STi, which is basically a prodcution rally car.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

Why isn't the Mazdaspeed competition?

The Mazda speed is basically a turbocharged focus with some suspension upgrades, it may be competition for the WRX, if you ignore the fact the WRX is allwheel drive, the STI, however is a whole different class, it can run with the vettes.

The Mazda may be alright on dry pavement, but you said you live in Ontario, sorry you'll want all wheel drive

The reason I went 330xi was to give another all wheel drive in around the same price range, but if you look at other posts I blasted BMW pretty bad. A new one will definately be dear.

I've lived in northern ontario, where half the year allwheel drive is very nice to have, and minus the EVO, its the only thing I can come up with off the top of my head.

The Gti, well its a volkswagon, if you miss the 30k timing belt change it has a nice feature where it just throws it out of the engine for you. (my buddy at work's had to replace 2 engines with 65k miles on em after changing the timing belt once)

My plain old Impreza 2.5 TL was great for winters/drives to camp, if you didn't like the one you drove try the wagon, alot more headroom, and seemed to me a much more comfortable ride.

Are you high? Just curious. I think you are thinking of the Mazdaspeed 3? Even if you are, it's not related to the focus at all. Secondly, the Mazdaspeed 6 is AWD and it's not that much slower than a STI stock for stock. It sounds like you really have zero knowledge on the Mazdaspeeds...

http://www.caranddriver.com/fe...2007-mazdaspeed-6.html

Also, not only is the Mazdaspeed 3 not based on a focus, or simply a "turbocharged focus" at that, it's not even similar. I'm not aware of any Ford's with DISI engines.

No offense, but before you bother posting in car threads like you know what you are talking about...try research.

Yes it is. It's based on the Focus 2/Volvo S30/40 platform. The engine is unique, though, AFAIK.

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: lurk3r
The Mazda Speed, and the GTi are not competition for the Sti, the evo and maybe the BMW 330xi would be.

Why isn't the Mazdaspeed competition?

The Mazda speed is basically a turbocharged focus with some suspension upgrades, it may be competition for the WRX, if you ignore the fact the WRX is allwheel drive, the STI, however is a whole different class, it can run with the vettes.

The Mazda may be alright on dry pavement, but you said you live in Ontario, sorry you'll want all wheel drive

The reason I went 330xi was to give another all wheel drive in around the same price range, but if you look at other posts I blasted BMW pretty bad. A new one will definately be dear.

I've lived in northern ontario, where half the year allwheel drive is very nice to have, and minus the EVO, its the only thing I can come up with off the top of my head.

The Gti, well its a volkswagon, if you miss the 30k timing belt change it has a nice feature where it just throws it out of the engine for you. (my buddy at work's had to replace 2 engines with 65k miles on em after changing the timing belt once)

My plain old Impreza 2.5 TL was great for winters/drives to camp, if you didn't like the one you drove try the wagon, alot more headroom, and seemed to me a much more comfortable ride.

Are you high? Just curious. I think you are thinking of the Mazdaspeed 3? Even if you are, it's not related to the focus at all. Secondly, the Mazdaspeed 6 is AWD and it's not that much slower than a STI stock for stock. It sounds like you really have zero knowledge on the Mazdaspeeds...

http://www.caranddriver.com/fe...2007-mazdaspeed-6.html

Also, not only is the Mazdaspeed 3 not based on a focus, or simply a "turbocharged focus" at that, it's not even similar. I'm not aware of any Ford's with DISI engines.

No offense, but before you bother posting in car threads like you know what you are talking about...try research.

Ok, test drove the mazda speed6, not even remotely close to the Sti, its a complete dog, anyone thinking it could be competition is on crack.
--edit-- dog is the wrong word, it was peppy, but its like comparing an eager kitten to a cheetah