Tesla contributed ‘more than $5 billion’ to California’s economy and supported over 51,000 jobs

[bigi]

5B into CA , they hire 400 a week, Arizona is happy too as they have GigaFactory there.

https://electrek.co/2018/05/15/tesla-california-economic-contribution-report/

Can't wait to get Model 3.

 

[FIVR]

I have a reservation for a model 3 but they won't let you configure with AWD yet so I'm still waiting. My 2015 model S is 90D is getting a bit long in the tooth. Definitely could use a better infotainment system and I still have the crappy Mobileye AP1 hardware (new teslas get Nvidia Drive PX with AP2 and Full self-driving).

 

[desy]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/05/time-revive-ttacs-tesla-deathwatch-tesla-run-cash-year/

Still not profitable after 15 years

 

[highland145]

..

 

[bigi]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/05/time-revive-ttacs-tesla-deathwatch-tesla-run-cash-year/

Still not profitable after 15 years

Meh, normal if you expand exponentially. Money 101 really.

Nobody's bitching about 50B given to GM (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/30/taxpayers-gm-bailout-losses/8522681/) and others due to their real unprofitability.

Let's come back here in a few and see.

 

[Yuriman]

I have a reservation for a model 3 but they won't let you configure with AWD yet so I'm still waiting. My 2015 model S is 90D is getting a bit long in the tooth. Definitely could use a better infotainment system and I still have the crappy Mobileye AP1 hardware (new teslas get Nvidia Drive PX with AP2 and Full self-driving).

Is a Model 3 really going to be an upgrade over a P90D?

 

[desy]

Really comparing a company who has made 300,000 cars TOTAL and has never profited to a company who produces 10's of millions every year and IS profitable until the economy of everything unraveled?
https://electrek.co/2018/02/14/tesla-delivered-300000th-vehicle/?pushup=1
Used to say as GM goes so goes the US economy. Virtually nobody would notice if Tesla disappeared

 

[tweakmonkey]

I can attest to how many people Tesla's got working there: my job is based about 1 mile from their factory in Fremont. Every restaurant is packed for hours now. Traffic near the factory is insane. And I work in the automotive sector (Porsches)... nearly every fabricator or service I use relating to cars does work with Tesla now. Quite a few of our customers work for Tesla, and many other customers drive their cars (we've even sold some expensive wheels for Teslas).

Tesla just built a massive factory in Reno. They're also adding something like 5 million sq-ft to their factory in Fremont to scale up for future models. And they've got 1000s of engineers and programmers at the current factory working on new stuff for the future. How is it surprising that they're not making a profit yet? They're investing and betting on their growth and new technology, in an extremely high-overhead industry. If they wanted to stick to being a small company and focus on their profits, they would've done that. Instead they're trying to flip the industry on its head and clearly have some long term plans.

 

[XavierMace]

Meh, normal if you expand exponentially. Money 101 really.

Nobody's bitching about 50B given to GM (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/30/taxpayers-gm-bailout-losses/8522681/) and others due to their real unprofitability.

Let's come back here in a few and see.

GM's made 70B since their bankruptcy buyout. Tesla doesn't have the production capabilities to do that.

 

[KeithP]

The new report, which was commissioned by the California-based automaker…

 

[SKORPI0]

https://qz.com/1260135/will-elon-mu...sh-before-it-turns-around-model-3-production/

 

[FIVR]

Is a Model 3 really going to be an upgrade over a P90D?

It's just a 90D, not a P model.

The model 3 has better self-driving hardware (7 cameras vs 1, 2Tflop Nvidia Drive PX vs 250Glfop Mobileye junk). It has better motors (non-inductive). It is easier to repair and stronger (steel vs aluminum body).

The only disadvantages are a slight reduction in power/handling and size of screen and interior materials.

If I had a Model X or a P100D then yeah it would be a downgrade. Bear in mind I will be buying the performance AWD version with all the amenities (total ~70k).

 

[Yuriman]

Makes sense.

Aluminum is a huge advantage in Vermont. Steel cars start to rust to pieces after 5 years. I drive around a nearly 20 year old aluminum vehicle and am thankful for it every time it has a salt bath. Plus, it's something like 5-700lbs lighter than an equivalent steel vehicle, and has higher chassis rigidity.

 

[Kaido]

It's just a 90D, not a P model.

The model 3 has better self-driving hardware (7 cameras vs 1, 2Tflop Nvidia Drive PX vs 250Glfop Mobileye junk). It has better motors (non-inductive). It is easier to repair and stronger (steel vs aluminum body).

The only disadvantages are a slight reduction in power/handling and size of screen and interior materials.

If I had a Model X or a P100D then yeah it would be a downgrade. Bear in mind I will be buying the performance AWD version with all the amenities (total ~70k).

Yeah. I'm holding out for the Model Y myself...I like the crossover design over sedans for functionality (although the 3 looks great!) & I figure by the time it comes out, Autopilot will be a lot more polished.

 

[FIVR]

Elon says the performance AWD version will do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and beat an M3 at the track. Configuration starts in July.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998084314200862720

Makes sense.

Aluminum is a huge advantage in Vermont. Steel cars start to rust to pieces after 5 years. I drive around a nearly 20 year old aluminum vehicle and am thankful for it every time it has a salt bath. Plus, it's something like 5-700lbs lighter than an equivalent steel vehicle, and has higher chassis rigidity.

Aluminum would be the ideal material due to lack of corrosion and strength to weight but it costs SO much to repair a model S with all-aluminum construction that I don't think it is feasible to construct a consumer car for 35k that uses that construction.

Yeah. I'm holding out for the Model Y myself...I like the crossover design over sedans for functionality (although the 3 looks great!) & I figure by the time it comes out, Autopilot will be a lot more polished.

Model Y reveal should be coming this year, should be interesting to see what they come up with styling-wise. I actually was not a huge fan of the Model S styling (even though I bought the car) but the 3 looks amazing, IMO better than the S.

 

[Kaido]

Elon says the performance AWD version will do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and beat an M3 at the track. Configuration starts in July.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998084314200862720

That's insane. 3.5 seconds is bananas! Pricey though...

Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k.,l

 

[FIVR]

That's insane. 3.5 seconds is bananas! Pricey though...

It's supposed to compete with the M3. I agree 78k is steep but my model S was substantially more than that and it only does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds.


The non-performance AWD Model 3 will do it 4.5 seconds and it's only 5k more than the regular 3 LR

 

[Kaido]

It's supposed to compete with the M3. I agree 78k is steep but my model S was substantially more than that and it only does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds.


The non-performance AWD Model 3 will do it 4.5 seconds and it's only 5k more than the regular 3 LR

Looks like $86,000 for a fully-loaded Model 3, configured with every single option available ($78k Performance Model 3 + $5k Autopilot + $3k FSD). Some price calculations from reddit:

• $35k - Base Model 3 with RWD (range: 220 miles, 0-60: 5.6sec, top: 130 mph)
• $9k - Long-range battery (range: 310 miles, 0-60: 5.1sec, top: 140mph)
• $5k - Premium Upgrade (heated seats, premium materials, sound system, etc.
• $5k - Enhanced Autopilot (Model 3 will match speed to traffic conditions, keep within a lane, automatically change lanes, transition from one freeway to another, exit the freeway and self-park at your destination)
• $3k - Full self-driving (future features; requires Enhanced Autopilot; $4k if purchased after delivery, so you save a grand pre-ordering it)
• $1.5k - 19" Sports wheels
• $1k - Paint (anything other than black costs $1,000: dark silver, light silver, blue, pearl white multi-coat, red multicoat)
• $5k - Dual Motor AWD (310 miles, 0-60: 4.5sec, top: 140mph)
• $21.5k (does this price include the $9k LR battery & AWD?) - Performance upgrade (310 miles, 0-60: 3.5sec, top: 155mph)

Performance levels: (0 to 60)

• 5.6 seconds = Base RWD Model 3
  
• 5.1 seconds = Long-range battery
  
• 4.5 seconds = Dual motor AWD
  
• 3.5 seconds = Performance upgrade

 

[darkswordsman17]

5B into CA , they hire 400 a week, Arizona is happy too as they have GigaFactory there.

https://electrek.co/2018/05/15/tesla-california-economic-contribution-report/

Can't wait to get Model 3.

Er, their Gigafactory is in Nevada.

Meh, normal if you expand exponentially. Money 101 really.

Nobody's bitching about 50B given to GM (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/30/taxpayers-gm-bailout-losses/8522681/) and others due to their real unprofitability.

Let's come back here in a few and see.

What the...there was a LOT of bitching about that. You do realize without that bailout, its possible Tesla would've been f'ed too, right? Ford and Toyota both petitioned the government to bail out GM and Chrysler because them going under would have taken a lot of suppliers out as well, which would have led to Ford and Toyota possibly following suit. Not to mention, without government help, Tesla would still be looking for some way to enter production of the Model S (they got a big DOE loan, and then lucked out that GM and Toyota were abandoning the NUMMI plant, giving Tesla a cheap space to setup shop so they could then put most of the money towards building the Gigafactory, which is kinda important for them being successful).

 

[Meghan54]

Er, their Gigafactory is in Nevada.



What the...there was a LOT of bitching about that. You do realize without that bailout, its possible Tesla would've been f'ed too, right? Ford and Toyota both petitioned the government to bail out GM and Chrysler because them going under would have taken a lot of suppliers out as well, which would have led to Ford and Toyota possibly following suit. Not to mention, without government help, Tesla would still be looking for some way to enter production of the Model S (they got a big DOE loan, and then lucked out that GM and Toyota were abandoning the NUMMI plant, giving Tesla a cheap space to setup shop so they could then put most of the money towards building the Gigafactory, which is kinda important for them being successful).

Don't forget, at this same time, Ford arranged a line of credit to be in place from the gov't....just never accessed/used it like GM and Chrysler did.

And from what I understand, Ford damned near had to use the approved gov't credit/bailout funds.

 

[Aharami]

Elon says the performance AWD version will do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and beat an M3 at the track.

I don't believe that for a second. At the dragstrip, most likely. But throw in some curves and no way is the model 3 beating the M3. Not unless there is a serious upgrade to the suspension system available in the Model 3.

 

[FIVR]

I don't believe that for a second. At the dragstrip, most likely. But throw in some curves and no way is the model 3 beating the M3. Not unless there is a serious upgrade to the suspension system available in the Model 3.

M3 is dinosaur tech. Very high center of gravity compared to Model 3, less power.


Even the regular 3 LR dynos @ 340whp. The performance version will be easily 470whp and probably 500+. The US has straight roads so not sure why you care how the car preforms on a track anyway. Nobody is taking their US M3 to the Nurburgring lol.

 

[mindless1]

The US has straight roads so not sure why you care how the car preforms on a track anyway. Nobody is taking their US M3 to the Nurburgring lol.

Flat areas of the US have straight roads. The rest not so much.

 

[repoman0]

The US has straight roads so not sure why you care how the car preforms on a track anyway.

lmao. Troll/shill detected.