Terrorist Traffic Via Syria Again Inching Up

[dphantom]

This is a worrisome but not unexpected development. Safe havens as we see in Pakistan are the bane of CI ops. We can damage them temporarily but the only way to eliminate safe havens is to occupy ground. Impracticable at this point.

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Obama wants to improve relations with the Mideast. Let's see how well he handles Syria and see if terrorist attacks inside Iraq recede.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

For the FIRST time in nine years the effort is concentrated on the actual problem and you keep complaining,.

Either you are to stupid to understand how it works or you just refuse to because it doesn't jingle with your melody of an ideology.

Both you and me know which it is.

It's already been decided by the Obama admin that Syria should be under more scrutiny, how can you not know that?

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
For the FIRST time in nine years the effort is concentrated on the actual problem and you keep complaining,.

Either you are to stupid to understand how it works or you just refuse to because it doesn't jingle with your melody of an ideology.

Both you and me know which it is.

It's already been decided by the Obama admin that Syria should be under more scrutiny, how can you not know that?

Whoa, slow down John. I am not complaining, simply observing and providing a comment on the situation. I hope Obama succeeds here, I know we are focusing our efforts on CI and I hope we can continue to succeed or rather the Iraqis can stand up and be successful.

I simply point out the difficulties of fighting a CI war when (as there often are) safe havens for the enemy. It means very often a long, difficult drawn out war.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
For the FIRST time in nine years the effort is concentrated on the actual problem and you keep complaining,.

Either you are to stupid to understand how it works or you just refuse to because it doesn't jingle with your melody of an ideology.

Both you and me know which it is.

It's already been decided by the Obama admin that Syria should be under more scrutiny, how can you not know that?

Whoa, slow down John. I am not complaining, simply observing and providing a comment on the situation. I hope Obama succeeds here, I know we are focusing our efforts on CI and I hope we can continue to succeed or rather the Iraqis can stand up and be successful.

I simply point out the difficulties of fighting a CI war when (as there often are) safe havens for the enemy. It means very often a long, difficult drawn out war.

No you are not, either you are very slow in the news or you know that Syria is a target as of last week, if it will be needed.

Syria is the safe haven for WHO and whose troops?

Nada, zilch, nothing, that is all you have on this.

Stop trying so hard, there are better places to look to where valid critisism of current policy could be made.

Syria is a shithole of a nation, have you ever been there? They couldn't take on ten starved solderis from Austria if they had to.

 

[dphantom]

I am not criticizing. Goodness, I just linked a Washington Post story.

As for WHO, it appears to be al-quaeda feeding the rat line into Iraq.

As for Syria, even an Israeli reserve brigade could walk over the country.

Of course it would only take one SAS troop to do the same.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not criticizing. Goodness, I just linked a Washington Post story.

As for WHO, it appears to be al-quaeda feeding the rat line into Iraq.

As for Syria, even an Israeli reserve brigade could walk over the country.

Of course it would only take one SAS troop to do the same.

It would take what it took in both Iraq and Afghanistan and the two most important unit that was in either place, it would take TFB.

How do you figure that people with NO training what so ever can accomplish so much?

I taught most of them go left with the eyes and right with the sounds, hands on hips, to get the feel for it, i had 26 men under my command, i have 10 today and it's not becaue they were called home. Or they were, in a way.

Problem exists, there are problems with Syrians helpoing some portion but it's mostly Iraqi government troops.

You know i respect you sir, but you are wrong in this case.

 

[palehorse]

In his last book, Michael Scheuer described a thing they used to maintain at CIA which the analysts called "The Yearbook." It was basically a compilation of all intelligence related to terrorist training camps throughout the entire world -- to include Sudan, Indonesia, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, etc etc. The analysts used to get together once or twice a year to update the Yearbook.

One of Scheuer's biggest complaints was that none of the Presidents during the 80's and 90's acted on the information they'd collected. Those camps -- or "safehavens" -- were allowed to exist and operate, unmolested, for decades, which resulted in thousands of terrorists receiving training in the finer arts of terror and destruction... swell eh?

I believe that their Yearbook needs to be picked up again, and each of our leaders needs to be prepared to order surgical strikes against those targets each and every time they pop up, especially if the host nations of said camp(s) refuse to take action themselves. That is what I believe the GWOT should evolve into -- surgical special forces and law enforcement operations designed to take out the camps everywhere they spring up, and arrest or kill each and every terrorist therein; as well as those few bad guys who choose to live out amongst the general population of the free world.

These extended "occupations" need to end. Instead, our SOF need to be unleashed -- to an even higher degree than they are now -- on these safe-havens everywhere.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: palehorse
In his last book, Michael Scheuer described a thing they used to maintain at CIA which the analysts called "The Yearbook." It was basically a compilation of all intelligence related to terrorist training camps throughout the entire world -- to include Sudan, Indonesia, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, etc etc. The analysts used to get together once or twice a year to update the Yearbook.

One of Scheuer's biggest complaints was that none of the Presidents during the 80's and 90's acted on the information they'd collected. Those camps -- or "safehavens" -- were allowed to exist and operate, unmolested, for decades, which resulted in thousands of terrorists receiving training in the finer arts of terror and destruction... swell eh?

I believe that their Yearbook needs to be picked up again, and each of our leaders needs to be prepared to order surgical strikes against those targets each and every time they pop up, especially if the host nations of said camp(s) refuse to take action themselves. That is what I believe the GWOT should evolve into -- surgical special forces and law enforcement operations designed to take out the camps everywhere they spring up, and arrest or kill each and every terrorist therein; as well as those few bad guys who choose to live out amongst the general population of the free world.

These extended "occupations" need to end. Instead, our SOF need to be unleashed -- to an even higher degree than they are now -- on these safe-havens everywhere.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but we need air support and i'm not going to stay for the summer. That means the entire platoon will move out, that is how that works, we have no commander, we have one mission and when i move out, the rest move out too.

I'd need a FUCKING good reason to stay and while Obama basically promised me one, i've seen nothing but using politics that are ensured to fail in here.

SOMEONE FUCKING CALL WES CLARK!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: palehorse
In his last book, Michael Scheuer described a thing they used to maintain at CIA which the analysts called "The Yearbook." It was basically a compilation of all intelligence related to terrorist training camps throughout the entire world -- to include Sudan, Indonesia, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, etc etc. The analysts used to get together once or twice a year to update the Yearbook.

One of Scheuer's biggest complaints was that none of the Presidents during the 80's and 90's acted on the information they'd collected. Those camps -- or "safehavens" -- were allowed to exist and operate, unmolested, for decades, which resulted in thousands of terrorists receiving training in the finer arts of terror and destruction... swell eh?

I believe that their Yearbook needs to be picked up again, and each of our leaders needs to be prepared to order surgical strikes against those targets each and every time they pop up, especially if the host nations of said camp(s) refuse to take action themselves. That is what I believe the GWOT should evolve into -- surgical special forces and law enforcement operations designed to take out the camps everywhere they spring up, and arrest or kill each and every terrorist therein; as well as those few bad guys who choose to live out amongst the general population of the free world.

These extended "occupations" need to end. Instead, our SOF need to be unleashed -- to an even higher degree than they are now -- on these safe-havens everywhere.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but we need air support and i'm not going to stay for the summer. That means the entire platoon will move out, that is how that works, we have no commander, we have one mission and when i move out, the rest move out too.

I'd need a FUCKING good reason to stay and while Obama basically promised me one, i've seen nothing but using politics that are ensured to fail in here.

SOMEONE FUCKING CALL WES CLARK!

With our own changes in military leadership in Afghanistan this week, perhaps you'll see some positive changes in the level of support you receive.

My fingers are crossed for you.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not criticizing. Goodness, I just linked a Washington Post story.

As for WHO, it appears to be al-quaeda feeding the rat line into Iraq.

As for Syria, even an Israeli reserve brigade could walk over the country.

Of course it would only take one SAS troop to do the same.

It would take what it took in both Iraq and Afghanistan and the two most important unit that was in either place, it would take TFB.

How do you figure that people with NO training what so ever can accomplish so much?

I taught most of them go left with the eyes and right with the sounds, hands on hips, to get the feel for it, i had 26 men under my command, i have 10 today and it's not becaue they were called home. Or they were, in a way.

Problem exists, there are problems with Syrians helpoing some portion but it's mostly Iraqi government troops.

You know i respect you sir, but you are wrong in this case.

You had 16 people try to get away from your leadership today? Sheesh. I knew a lot of people didn't like you but I didn't think they would just up and leave and face court martial and such..

 

[heyheybooboo]

I think it's all well and good to keep an eye on Damascus but if I recall correctly 3Xs the number of insurgents come from our allies in the country which rhymes with *Labia* ...

 

[dphantom]

Some good news.

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US Treasury is now involved as well hopefully putting a crimp in the terrorists financial network. The Syrian ratline into Iraq has always been a problem and is going to be one of the keys to whether Iraq can survive and prosper when US troops are withdrawn.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Either you are to stupid to understand how it works

Or we are all to ignorant of the law of moral consequence. No matter how one uses deadly force it is always to the determent of the world as a whole.

 

[maluckey]

Terror trafffic through MNDI North? HAH! It's Always been there. I've said it since the war began. Nobody listens though, so I'm not surprised that this is "News"


The Kurds care no more for Coalition than they do the Iranians or Syrians.

In their opinion, whichever side gets them an autonomous state is where they will throw their hat. Can't truly blame them, because if you understand tribal nature (if you don't, you'll fail in the ME), then you get that the Kurds are far more nationalistic about Kurdistan than Iraq, and you'll also get that they aren't necessarily anti-Iran, despite the holy war against them by Iran in the late 1970's early 1980's. They can't allow themselves to be controlled by another tride that's not in their interest (according to them...none are).

That leaves them with hoping that when the Coalition leaves, that they are strong enough (politically and militarily) to hold their own if mistreated.

The biggest problem I see is that the Kurds claim the oilfields in Kirkuk as theirs...............

Nobody other than Syria and Iran wants that to happen. Syria and Iran want a weak Kurdistan controlling the oilfields. Economically it's a boon for them. Iraq as a country would fail if this happens. That would leave them at the mercy of Syria and Iran.

 

[dphantom]

Well, just as a new pipeline opens up for Al-Queda, US and Iraq pinch it off.

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Does not stop everything, the border is too long and porous, but this should put a major crimp in AQ operations.

Of note is that the recent suicide bombings appear to be the work of terrorists from North Africa, Tunisia specifically.