Terrorist Test Run?

[JSt0rm]

How's your claiming other peoples work as your own going??

hahaha



http://dl.dropbox.com/u/732672/Legos_HeroFactory_Herocraft.mov

Kisses :wub:

 

[Throckmorton]

I think he was yelling admiral akbar thinking this was a trap...

LOL

Now it makes sense

 

[Throckmorton]

No, pulling out the terrorism card when there is no evidence is being scared. Which is what you, TLC and others have done.

The rest of us just move along, since this isn't a big deal.

Of course, if you or TLC have actual *evidence* indicating this was a supersekrit terrorist plot, feel free to post it, but just y'alls random hypothetical fantasies don't count.

A guy tried to break into a cockpit yelling "Allahu Akbar"... sounds like a terrorist

 

[JSt0rm]

and because I don't have time for your retardation today lets nip this in the butt now.

 

[woolfe9999]

No, pulling out the terrorism card when there is no evidence is being scared. Which is what you, TLC and others have done.

The rest of us just move along, since this isn't a big deal.

Of course, if you or TLC have actual *evidence* indicating this was a supersekrit terrorist plot, feel free to post it, but just y'alls random hypothetical fantasies don't count.

I think you should clarify your definition of "evidence." The known facts are these:

1. Man tries to break in to cockpit.
2. Man is yelling Allahu Akbar, a phrase often used by Muslim terrorists right before they commit an act of terroristic violence, as he is trying to break into the cockpit.
3. Muslim terrorists have in the past committed terrorist acts by breaking in to cockpits.
4. Bin Laden was killed just recently, giving reason for some heightened probability of terrorist acts.
5. Man is travelling bereft of any of the usual acoutrements of travel: wallet, keys, cellphone. One possible interpretation of this is that he had no intention of coming off the flight alive.

Those are all circumstances tending to suggest an intent to commit a terrorist act. Enough to convict him of such beyond reasonable doubt? Probably not. What he is and isn't legally guilty of is a matter for the justice system. However, as individuals reading a news article, we can draw reasonable inferences from known circumstances.

Connections to terrorist groups are not necessary. Terrorist acts can be committed by individuals or by people acting in concert with a group.

This may be one of those 10% of cases where I agree with Spidey. You're sticking your head in the sand.

- wolf

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Ahem, sane (left, right or middle) people don't need to address it. He broke the law and was stopped. He'll go to court and get tried before a judge or jury. Is there something worthy of discussion? It's called the US justice system, it's been in place for a long time. Perhaps you have heard of it?

The fearful ones are the ones crying wolf over terrorism (look in the mirror) at any chance. There have been three instances of this in the past month, are all "terrorist test runs"? OMG run for the hills! Better get down in your shelter in your basement.

Sane people can look at the evidence of this case, make a determination based on that evidence, and discuss it reasonably. Insane people would blindly cover their eyes, pretend there was no evidence whatsoever, and then spew partisan talking points.

Guess which grouping you fall under?

 

[Drako]

and because i don't have time for your retardation today lets nip this in the butt now.
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lol, wtf?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

lol, wtf?

Epic self ownage...jst0rm is too funny!

 

[JSt0rm]

Epic self ownage...jst0rm is too funny!

I'll take that

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'll take that

Good form. :thumbsup:

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-uQWNd540I&feature=share

 

[JockoJohnson]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck...unless it is a Muslim.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I think you should clarify your definition of "evidence." The known facts are these:

1. Man tries to break in to cockpit.
2. Man is yelling Allahu Akbar, a phrase often used by Muslim terrorists right before they commit an act of terroristic violence, as he is trying to break into the cockpit.
3. Muslim terrorists have in the past committed terrorist acts by breaking in to cockpits.
4. Bin Laden was killed just recently, giving reason for some heightened probability of terrorist acts.
5. Man is travelling bereft of any of the usual acoutrements of travel: wallet, keys, cellphone. One possible interpretation of this is that he had no intention of coming off the flight alive.

Those are all circumstances tending to suggest an intent to commit a terrorist act. Enough to convict him of such beyond reasonable doubt? Probably not. What he is and isn't legally guilty of is a matter for the justice system. However, as individuals reading a news article, we can draw reasonable inferences from known circumstances.

Connections to terrorist groups are not necessary. Terrorist acts can be committed by individuals or by people acting in concert with a group.

This may be one of those 10% of cases where I agree with Spidey. You're sticking your head in the sand.

- wolf

Or they could be a crazy Muslim. It happens you know. Just like you can have crazy Christians or Aetheists or anything else. No where did I deny he committed a *criminal* act. He did something stupid, he got arrested, he will be tried. End of story. He has no links to any terrorist groups that we know of at this time. Sounds like a crazy dude. So unless we get some creditable evidence of something more sinister, nothing more to say.

I am saying just because he is Muslim, it does not have to be terrorism. I seem to recall everyone blew off the terrorism idea when a white guy flew his plane into the IRS building in TX. Or the Christian guy that killed the abortion doctor. I would put this dude in the same group (again, unless other evidence comes to light)

And if that is some groups concept of an "attack", that's pretty pathetic on their part (not that I mind they are pathetic, if indeed it turns out to be a real terrorist attack, vs a crazy dude).

So what about the white guy trying to open the airplane door?

Link

Is he a terrorist? Or like I said, the IRS building guy?

 

[spidey07]

I don't know. Were they yelling alah akbar when they did this? If so, then muslim terrorism.

 

[CitizenKain]

So what about the white guy trying to open the airplane door?

Link

Is he a terrorist? Or like I said, the IRS building guy?

He can't be a terrorist, he's white.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Or they could be a crazy Muslim. It happens you know. Just like you can have crazy Christians or Aetheists or anything else. No where did I deny he committed a *criminal* act. He did something stupid, he got arrested, he will be tried. End of story. He has no links to any terrorist groups that we know of at this time. Sounds like a crazy dude. So unless we get some creditable evidence of something more sinister, nothing more to say.

I am saying just because he is Muslim, it does not have to be terrorism. I seem to recall everyone blew off the terrorism idea when a white guy flew his plane into the IRS building in TX. Or the Christian guy that killed the abortion doctor. I would put this dude in the same group (again, unless other evidence comes to light)

And if that is some groups concept of an "attack", that's pretty pathetic on their part (not that I mind they are pathetic, if indeed it turns out to be a real terrorist attack, vs a crazy dude).

So what about the white guy trying to open the airplane door?

Link

Is he a terrorist? Or like I said, the IRS building guy?

Are you really this stupid irl or do you just play a dumb guy on the internet?

First of all, I haven't seen anyone here claim this guy absolutely, without a doubt, was a terrorist. People are suspecting, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE (I can't stress that part enough), that his actions are very terrorist-like so he may well qualify as one. It's a suspicion bolstered by evidence, not a cold, hard fact. What part of that do you not comprehend?

Second of all...He was a Muslim? So fucking what? Stop being such an apologistic fool. Let's not pretend that Muslims can never be terrorists because that pretense would be incorrect. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding and respectful people. But when a Muslim acts like a terrorist they deserve to be called out as such.

The guy who flew a plane into the IRS building. Yes, he was a terrorist. The guy killing abortion doctors. Yes, terrorist. The guy trying to open the airplane door. Read the story. He wasn't a terrorist, he was a drunk.

It's likely I'll change my mind if we come to find out this guy was subject to panic attacks on airplanes or had previous psychological episodes and could be considered mentally unstable. If such evidence comes to light, please feel free to present it. Until then I will continue to suspect him to be a terrorist because that's precisely what the available evidence points to.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you really this stupid irl or do you just play a dumb guy on the internet?

First of all, I haven't seen anyone here claim this guy absolutely, without a doubt, was a terrorist.

Yeah just the "fox news" style questioning title. Dumb fucks.

 

[woolfe9999]

Or they could be a crazy Muslim. It happens you know. Just like you can have crazy Christians or Aetheists or anything else. No where did I deny he committed a *criminal* act. He did something stupid, he got arrested, he will be tried. End of story. He has no links to any terrorist groups that we know of at this time. Sounds like a crazy dude. So unless we get some creditable evidence of something more sinister, nothing more to say.

I am saying just because he is Muslim, it does not have to be terrorism. I seem to recall everyone blew off the terrorism idea when a white guy flew his plane into the IRS building in TX. Or the Christian guy that killed the abortion doctor. I would put this dude in the same group (again, unless other evidence comes to light)

And if that is some groups concept of an "attack", that's pretty pathetic on their part (not that I mind they are pathetic, if indeed it turns out to be a real terrorist attack, vs a crazy dude).

So what about the white guy trying to open the airplane door?

Link

Is he a terrorist? Or like I said, the IRS building guy?

Mental illness is not incompatible with having a political motive to commit a crime. Most people who suicide themselves to kill others are probably not mentally sound. And acting alone is irrelevant in assessing whether a given act is terroristic in nature. Killing of abortion doctors IS terrorism: its purpose is to achieve a political and religious objective (i.e. the ending of abortions) by instilling terror. So long as those criteria are met, it matters not if the perpetrator was mentally ill or whether he acted alone or in concert with others.

Show me any definition of terrorism that says the perpetrator must be wholly sane and/or acting in concert with others, e.g.:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

I call this the "lone nut" fallacy. It is employed by people all across the political spectrum, whether it pretains to the killing of abortion doctors, Oklahoma City, or Islamic terrorism. It's a false dichotomy that you can't be a lone nut and a terrorist.

In this case, the evidence is not conclusive but rather circumstantial. However, one reasonable inference was that he was sympathetic to radical Islam and possibly copying and/or paying tribute to the 9/11 perps, which were probably on his mind because OBL was killed just recently. If that was the case, then we can see why his "acting alone" is not a relevant distinction - had there been no 9/11 and no radical Islamist ideology, there would have been nothing for him to copy and/or be inspired by. And if he is mentally ill, likely his delusions would have been directed elsewhere.

- wolf

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yeah just the "fox news" style questioning title. Dumb fucks.

/gasp

How dare anyone ask a question.

D:

 

[spittledip]

If he isn't a terrorist and is not "mentally ill", whatever that really means, then we are in worse trouble than we think.

 

[spidey07]

Watch the mind of a liberal in this thread. See what side they are on.

They must be defeated. This is how the liberal thinks. This us what they are. Defeat them.

 

[JSt0rm]

Watch the mind of a liberal in this thread. See what side they are on.

They must be defeated. This is how the liberal thinks. This us what they are. Defeat them.

Notice the conservative mind. So fearful and full of lizard hate.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Are you really this stupid irl or do you just play a dumb guy on the internet?

First of all, I haven't seen anyone here claim this guy absolutely, without a doubt, was a terrorist. People are suspecting, BASED ON THE EVIDENCE (I can't stress that part enough), that his actions are very terrorist-like so he may well qualify as one. It's a suspicion bolstered by evidence, not a cold, hard fact. What part of that do you not comprehend?

Second of all...He was a Muslim? So fucking what? Stop being such an apologistic fool. Let's not pretend that Muslims can never be terrorists because that pretense would be incorrect. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding and respectful people. But when a Muslim acts like a terrorist they deserve to be called out as such.

The guy who flew a plane into the IRS building. Yes, he was a terrorist. The guy killing abortion doctors. Yes, terrorist. The guy trying to open the airplane door. Read the story. He wasn't a terrorist, he was a drunk.

It's likely I'll change my mind if we come to find out this guy was subject to panic attacks on airplanes or had previous psychological episodes and could be considered mentally unstable. If such evidence comes to light, please feel free to present it. Until then I will continue to suspect him to be a terrorist because that's precisely what the available evidence points to.

Riggghtttt.........just like the "*I* don't believe Obama was born in Kenya, but since he never produced his birth certificate, you gotta wonder" type of attack. Par for the course for you. Indirect attacks that you can try and deny. (Ooops, Jstorm beat me to this)

LEO say he has no terrorist links. But you still claim he could be one, on the basis that any "real" terrorist wouldn't have links. Again, simple logic (something you don't have) shows that according to you, everyone can be a terrorist. Shocking, no? And of course, as a side point, you have shown again what a waste of time a "no fly" list is, since real terrorists would be clean, or use a clean alias to fly anyway. Thanks for unintentionally pointing this out.

And would you like to expound on this belief of a test run? A test run that isn't kept from the target? So that know everyone is looking around and more alert? Yeah, right. Great concept there as well.

And if it was a real terrorist attack, would like to comment on the total stupidity of it? I mean, this would be the most incompetent worthless attempt ever. Anyone that googles for 30sec know that all airplane doors got replaced with reinforced doors after 9/11. A single person has like *no* change to break down the door himself. Dude had no chance of getting into the cockpit, none. Scary.

But you have shown time and time again in these forums you eat this up, so have fun in your gas-proof basement shelter. Enjoy.

Oh and I see you bailed (again, par for the course), on answering about the white guy that tried to open the airplane door in flight.

You gonna comment on him? I guess not.....I guess white guys are given pass. I mean, he has no links to terrorists, he would be a perfect terrorist test run by acting as a drunk person to see if they could open a door. (gain, by your logic) Why aren't you talking about he could be a terrorist. Talk about double standard.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Mental illness is not incompatible with having a political motive to commit a crime. Most people who suicide themselves to kill others are probably not mentally sound. And acting alone is irrelevant in assessing whether a given act is terroristic in nature. Killing of abortion doctors IS terrorism: its purpose is to achieve a political and religious objective (i.e. the ending of abortions) by instilling terror. So long as those criteria are met, it matters not if the perpetrator was mentally ill or whether he acted alone or in concert with others.

I agree with illness not being incompatible, as well as the alone/group being irrelevant with committing a crime. But you can still be crazy and commit a crime because of being crazy vs being crazy and committing a crime in the name of terrorism.

And if you look at the AT threads that occurred when the doctor got killed, and the guy flew his plane into the IRS office, you will see that they were both not called terrorists, but just crazy people by the vast majority of AT posters.

So I was pointing out the typical double standards that TLC,spidey and other clueless AT posters show around here.

In this case, the evidence is not conclusive but rather circumstantial. However, one reasonable inference was that he was sympathetic to radical Islam and possibly copying and/or paying tribute to the 9/11 perps, which were probably on his mind because OBL was killed just recently. If that was the case, then we can see why his "acting alone" is not a relevant distinction - had there been no 9/11 and no radical Islamist ideology, there would have been nothing for him to copy and/or be inspired by. And if he is mentally ill, likely his delusions would have been directed elsewhere.

- wolf

Again, no one knows yet why he did this, and after the initial reports, nothing else has been said. Except for the sensationalized media articles, of course. So like I said, until we know more, I think it is a non-issue, just like the other idiots doing stupid stuff on a plane. This guy had like a 0% chance of getting into the cockpit, so it was pretty pathetic if it was a real attempt, which we don't even know yet.

Certainly, we have seen plenty of incidents on planes in the last couple of years, and AFAIK, none were terrorism related. All were drunks, mentally ill, or other crazies. So recently, history points to another crazy person, pending real evidence of course.

 

[wwswimming]

Terrorist Test Run

AIPAC is having their annual conference ?

Benjamin Emanuel coming to town ?

i wouldn't say that, except for Israel's history of false flag terrorism ... the LaVon Affair, the Attack on the King David Hotel, the attack on the USS Liberty (Israel killed US troops, tried to blame it on Egypt).