Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam

charrison

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Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.

In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".

The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.

Although Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine.

 

no0b

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Is the "telegraph" a respectable news source.

This justs sounds too good to be true.

If it is real then I guess this would be the smoking gun. A justification for the war.
 

Gaard

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A bunch of thoughts crossed my mind after having read that.

- First was the obligatory "Let's wait until the majors start reporting on this" thought.

- It seems to be aweful convenient to have both Atta and the Niger incident mentioned in the same memo. From what I understand, they aren't related.

- IF this memo turns out to be genuine, a lot of people (including me) have some thinking to do. This is good for Bush.

- I sure wish the search function worked for us nonsubscribers (though to be honest I wouldn't know where to start). I seem to remember a thread where it was mentioned that the hijackers were Saudis and someone posted a link to a site that described how a lot of the hijackers were using stolen identities (passports and such) and that a lot of the men we figured were part of the terrorists who hijacked the planes were in fact alive and kicking...Atta being one of them. (not too clear on this...but I think I remember Atta as being alive somewhere)

- The remark about refusing to disclose how and where the memo was obtained got an eyeroll out of me. (Does this remind anyone else of anything? :) )

 

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The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.

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- It seems to be aweful convenient to have both Atta and the Niger incident mentioned in the same memo. From what I understand, they aren't related.

Yeah. I'm almost surprised it didn't say something along the lines of "Saddam personally showed Atta how to fly the same plane that flew into the two towers". I'll withhold my final judgement just yet, but let's just say I'm highly skeptical at this point.

The whole Al-Quaeda - Saddam link just makes no sense since Saddam made a life long career of repressing the very religon that OBL is so fanatical about...
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Gaard
A bunch of thoughts crossed my mind after having read that.

- First was the obligatory "Let's wait until the majors start reporting on this" thought.

- It seems to be aweful convenient to have both Atta and the Niger incident mentioned in the same memo. From what I understand, they aren't related.

- IF this memo turns out to be genuine, a lot of people (including me) have some thinking to do. This is good for Bush.

- I sure wish the search function worked for us nonsubscribers (though to be honest I wouldn't know where to start). I seem to remember a thread where it was mentioned that the hijackers were Saudis and someone posted a link to a site that described how a lot of the hijackers were using stolen identities (passports and such) and that a lot of the men we figured were part of the terrorists who hijacked the planes were in fact alive and kicking...Atta being one of them. (not too clear on this...but I think I remember Atta as being alive somewhere)

- The remark about refusing to disclose how and where the memo was obtained got an eyeroll out of me. (Does this remind anyone else of anything? :) )

I had the same thoughts about the article, but thought it worth posting anyway...
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Although Atta is believed to have been resident in Florida in the summer of 2001, he is known to have used more than a dozen aliases, and intelligence experts believe he could easily have slipped out of the US to visit Iraq.
Planning and training for years . . . secret op supported by Saddam but not to be linked to Iraq . . . so the head of the team travels to Baghdad two months before the attack?! Of course, there was also the meeting with an Iraqi official in Prague that nobody beyond Dick Cheney and Ann Coulter believes.

I'm not sure this dog can hunt.

 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Gaard
A bunch of thoughts crossed my mind after having read that.

- First was the obligatory "Let's wait until the majors start reporting on this" thought.

- It seems to be aweful convenient to have both Atta and the Niger incident mentioned in the same memo. From what I understand, they aren't related.

- IF this memo turns out to be genuine, a lot of people (including me) have some thinking to do. This is good for Bush.

- I sure wish the search function worked for us nonsubscribers (though to be honest I wouldn't know where to start). I seem to remember a thread where it was mentioned that the hijackers were Saudis and someone posted a link to a site that described how a lot of the hijackers were using stolen identities (passports and such) and that a lot of the men we figured were part of the terrorists who hijacked the planes were in fact alive and kicking...Atta being one of them. (not too clear on this...but I think I remember Atta as being alive somewhere)

- The remark about refusing to disclose how and where the memo was obtained got an eyeroll out of me. (Does this remind anyone else of anything? :) )

I had the same thoughts about the article, but thought it worth posting anyway...

Why is it worth posting? Oh because there isn't anythings else that justify the whole Iraqi occupation, the people died and billions spent? I see.

 

Gaard

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Another thing to think about...
I may be jumping the gun here, but if this 'scoop' turns out to be bunk is it something that the Telegraph tried to pull off...or maybe someone 'gave' them a story to report.

To be honest, this thing reminds me of the first few weeks/months after the initial attack....remember when we had an almost daily report of 'found' WMDs?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Another thing to think about...
I may be jumping the gun here, but if this 'scoop' turns out to be bunk is it something that the Telegraph tried to pull off...or maybe someone 'gave' them a story to report.

To be honest, this thing reminds me of the first few weeks/months after the initial attack....remember when we had an almost daily report of 'found' WMDs?
Yep. Alistar7 has been pretty quiet ever since. :)
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Gaard
Another thing to think about...
I may be jumping the gun here, but if this 'scoop' turns out to be bunk is it something that the Telegraph tried to pull off...or maybe someone 'gave' them a story to report.

To be honest, this thing reminds me of the first few weeks/months after the initial attack....remember when we had an almost daily report of 'found' WMDs?
Yep. Alistar7 has been pretty quiet ever since. :)

heh. You just know that he high-tailed it outta here because none of his stories panned out. :)

 

ReiAyanami

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saddam is probably the one that bought Atta his very first copy of microsoft flight simulator 2002 basic...
 

Dari

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It is ancient knowledge that Hussein's core "Strikers" group were intimate with some of the 9/11 hijackers.

EDIT: Happy now, Insane?
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: Dari
It has ancient knowledge that Hussein's core "Strikers" group were intimate with some of the 9/11 hijackers.

Dari...had a few this evening?

/Samuel L. Jackson

English m'fer...DO YOU SPEAK IT??!

:D;)
 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: charrison
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Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.

In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".

The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.

Although Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine.



And Saddam was trained by us. Hmmmmm
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: Gaard
A bunch of thoughts crossed my mind after having read that. - First was the obligatory "Let's wait until the majors start reporting on this" thought. - It seems to be aweful convenient to have both Atta and the Niger incident mentioned in the same memo. From what I understand, they aren't related. - IF this memo turns out to be genuine, a lot of people (including me) have some thinking to do. This is good for Bush. - I sure wish the search function worked for us nonsubscribers (though to be honest I wouldn't know where to start). I seem to remember a thread where it was mentioned that the hijackers were Saudis and someone posted a link to a site that described how a lot of the hijackers were using stolen identities (passports and such) and that a lot of the men we figured were part of the terrorists who hijacked the planes were in fact alive and kicking...Atta being one of them. (not too clear on this...but I think I remember Atta as being alive somewhere) - The remark about refusing to disclose how and where the memo was obtained got an eyeroll out of me. (Does this remind anyone else of anything? :) )

Agreed. Its citing something that has already been debased.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Originally posted by: no0b
Is the "telegraph" a respectable news source.

This justs sounds too good to be true.

If it is real then I guess this would be the smoking gun. A justification for the war.


guess the telegraph would have to be respectable if investors are seeking to buy it out for upto a billion dollars:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/031213/media_hollinger_smith_1.html

Holy cow! A billion dollars? Wonder how much the Enquirer would go for.

By the way, where did you get the billion dollar figure? I couldn't find any mention of an amount in the article you linked to. The only thing I thought was significant was that the offer was for more than one paper.

 

tnitsuj

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This has also been picked up by such quality news outlets as Newsmax.com.

nothing to see here. just charrison grasping at straws.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
This has also been picked up by such quality news outlets as Newsmax.com.

nothing to see here. just charrison grasping at straws.

Always so eager to shoot the messenger? If you notice my above post, i have skepticism about the article as well.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
This has also been picked up by such quality news outlets as Newsmax.com.

nothing to see here. just charrison grasping at straws.

Always so eager to shoot the messenger? If you notice my above post, i have skepticism about the article as well.

You certainly didn't reflect that in the thread title.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
This has also been picked up by such quality news outlets as Newsmax.com.

nothing to see here. just charrison grasping at straws.

Always so eager to shoot the messenger? If you notice my above post, i have skepticism about the article as well.

You certainly didn't reflect that in the thread title.

The thread title was the title of the article. Same as most of my news thread posts.

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JackStorm

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Heh...the good ol hussein/bin laden 9/11 link. I always get amused when I see news agencies post this crap, trying to prove a direct connection betwean al Qaeda and hussein and 9/11. I just can't help but laugh. I mean, how many times hasn't Bin laden himself said he thought saddam Hussein's party (I would asume he's including hussein aswell here) were a bunch of infidel's? Hell, the only camps in Iraq, that were in some way linked to Al qaeda were in Kurdish territory (which, btw, wasn't under husseins control :p )

All in all. Untill some non-hidden/exclusive source can prove otherwise. I'll continue to have doubts that there was any link betwean hussein and bin laden/Al Qaeda in regards to 9/11 (or anything else for that matter). It is possible however, that someone within the baath party supported Al Qaeda, someone who wanted hussein gone just as much as the U.S Administration did. But, untill we see some solid proof, I'll continue to doubt any link.
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Gaard
Another thing to think about...
I may be jumping the gun here, but if this 'scoop' turns out to be bunk is it something that the Telegraph tried to pull off...or maybe someone 'gave' them a story to report.

To be honest, this thing reminds me of the first few weeks/months after the initial attack....remember when we had an almost daily report of 'found' WMDs?
Yep. Alistar7 has been pretty quiet ever since. :)

heh. You just know that he high-tailed it outta here because none of his stories panned out. :)

I my little tete a tetes with Alistar7.

Andy